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Enji Elric
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears
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Posted - 2012.11.23 09:00:00 -
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I think what He is saying is he wants to be like Plymco on the starhawk forums....
you get my mail btw? I figured you were asleep |
The Black Jackal
The Southern Legion
302
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Posted - 2012.11.23 12:20:00 -
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Not entirely sure how to take that Plymco comment...
Clarify please? |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.11.23 13:21:00 -
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The Black Jackal wrote:Taking a sliver of a statement and placing emphasis on it... nice trick.
I AM a known entity by many... clearly not AS many as one would clearly prefer to see.
Many =/= All, and I respect that many will not know me. I play in a different Time Zone to most US and Eurpoean players, I work while you guys play, or I sleep while you play, and while I play, you sleep. So now, as we've establish that I am known by many, (but not some of you) we can move on.
I would hope, however, that people do not judge me because I do not play with THEM, and judge me based on policy and willingness to represent this game when, so far as I know, NO ONE else has endeavoured to do, or even aimed for. Representation on the CSM is an important step for DUST 514, it symbolises that we are not some add-on to EVE Online, but are a community upon our own, with a voice of our own.
THAT is why I'm running, THAT is why I made this post, and THAT is what I want to help give EVE Online and DUST 514. You say you're known by many, only one of the "many" has come to your defense while multiple active people on these forums are saying we have no idea who you are. I live in New Zealand, by the way, so I have contacts outside of the usual US/EU players, and I STILL don't know who you are.
So as far as this forum is concerned, you AREN'T known by many HERE. If some of my in-game experiences are worth judging on, I'm better known than you on these forums. There are a lot of games where I'm known by "many" people, and in some of them, I'm well-known in the right circles to actually be able to get attention on an official forum.
Quote:P.S. I have no affiliation with Assassin's Creed whatsoever. The Jackal in my name was chosen symbolically to project an image of Anubis, Egyptian god of the Underworld who's image was of a Jackal. ie. The Black Jackal = roughly The Black Death. And if you re-read my post, you'll notice that I never said, or even implied, that you had any association with AC, just that it's the only gaming-related source I know of where "Jackal" is a familiar and widely-known reference in online play.
Back to being properly on-topic though, while you seem to have a good head on your shoulders based on posts in this thread, I'm not inclined to take your self-nomination for CSM seriously, but that's mainly because I'm not seriously inclined to think of a DUST CSM as being a likely or relevant idea this long before the game's release date. |
The Black Jackal
The Southern Legion
302
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Posted - 2012.11.23 15:43:00 -
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I will respond to the previous statement, Garret, with a few questions of my own.
Firstly, in regards to you post sepcific...
What would you consider 'many people? 10? 50? 100? 1000? How many people are currently 'active' in this game? 1000? 2500? 5000? It's entirely conceiveable that I know many from portion C, while you know many from Portion E.
As to playing from New Zealand, I play almost every night, from 4pm AEST to Down Time at 10pm AEST (UTC +11). The fact that you don't rememebr the matches we have had, insults me. And makes me think you either have a faulty memory, or are somewhat distorting the truth.
In addition, how many of the 'active' players in DUST 514 beta actually post? Many simply click 'like' (demonstrated that some actually like my OP, since it has some likes.) Did they post a comment? Probably not? Does that mean they mean less? No it doesn't, becuase IF we have DUST CSM Representative Elections, EVERYONE will have a voice, and there are just as many out there who see these forums as cluttered with QQers, whingers, and trolls. (Not saying that everyone is, but many people have told me they avoid the forums due to this fact.)
The fact of the mater is this...
I am committed to running for CSM on behalf of DUST. My motivations have been made plain, I nominated myself becuase I KNOW I have what it takles to step up and represent this community in the New Eden Universe, and that so faras I am aware, there have been no other outspoken condidates. I'm standing here with the guts to tell you I want to represent you, I have policies to improve the game and it's integration with EVE Online, and I truly believe that with myself representing the community, we can make DUST the game it's meant to be.
Sincerely, The Black Jackal |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.11.23 16:31:00 -
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The Black Jackal wrote:I will respond to the previous statement, Garret, with a few questions of my own.
Firstly, in regards to you post sepcific...
What would you consider 'many people? 10? 50? 100? 1000? How many people are currently 'active' in this game? 1000? 2500? 5000? It's entirely conceiveable that I know many from portion C, while you know many from Portion E. For DUST, I'd say somewhere between 10 and 50 is a reasonable figure for "many" to apply. Probably around 20 - 25. For most post-release games where I'd call myself "known" I'd expect my name to be recognisable to at least 100 people, with more than 50 being able to recall a reason WHY they know me.
Quote:As to playing from New Zealand, I play almost every night, from 4pm AEST to Down Time at 10pm AEST (UTC +11). The fact that you don't rememebr the matches we have had, insults me. And makes me think you either have a faulty memory, or are somewhat distorting the truth. When I sit down to play DUST, I usually play for several hours straight. I'm nocturnal, and while I often do get a short time in before the server reset, the majority of my playtime is after it on most nights when I play. If we've been in matches together, you haven't managed to stand out to me in those matches. Maybe because we haven't crossed paths too often in-game, or because I haven't been paying much attention (for which there are various possible reasons - including my occasional times playing while mildly drunk or sleep deprived). Don't take that as offense, I simply haven't had a memorable enough moment in-game for you to stick in my mind. Most people I remember seeing in-game are people who have supported/killed me in interesting or impressive ways, or people whose names I've recognised from one (or several) of the forums I frequent.
Quote:In addition, how many of the 'active' players in DUST 514 beta actually post? Many simply click 'like' (demonstrated that some actually like my OP, since it has some likes.) Did they post a comment? Probably not? Does that mean they mean less? No it doesn't, becuase IF we have DUST CSM Representative Elections, EVERYONE will have a voice, and there are just as many out there who see these forums as cluttered with QQers, whingers, and trolls. (Not saying that everyone is, but many people have told me they avoid the forums due to this fact.)
The fact of the mater is this...
I am committed to running for CSM on behalf of DUST. My motivations have been made plain, I nominated myself becuase I KNOW I have what it takles to step up and represent this community in the New Eden Universe, and that so faras I am aware, there have been no other outspoken condidates. I'm standing here with the guts to tell you I want to represent you, I have policies to improve the game and it's integration with EVE Online, and I truly believe that with myself representing the community, we can make DUST the game it's meant to be.
Sincerely, The Black Jackal And as I've said, I'm not telling you that you're NOT qualified, just that I haven't, personally, seen enough evidence (yet) to support your claim to be well-known. I also haven't seen enough evidence to convince me that you would be a good CSM candidate. Although given your polite and clearly-worded responses, I'm leaning further towards supporting you than I was when I first saw this thread.
It'll be interesting to see you in-game again sometime. This conversation has given me incentive to remember you at least, so if we do see one another, I'll probably be paying attention next time. |
Firestorm Zulu
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
158
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Posted - 2012.11.23 20:02:00 -
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I don't want an eve player representing me in an FPS. I want someone who has experience in console FPS to represent my voice. |
Tectonious Falcon
The Southern Legion
395
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Posted - 2012.11.23 21:04:00 -
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Firestorm Zulu wrote:I don't want an eve player representing me in an FPS. I want someone who has experience in console FPS to represent my voice. Did you even read the OP? Or any of Jackal's posts? He plays Dust 514 as well as EVE and many other people do the same. If you stopped someone from being Dust's CSM just because they play EVE as well, then you would eliminate a fair few guys. Also, how do you know that Jackal has no FPS experience?
Another thing- The Black Jackal has stated several times in this thread that he wants Dust 514 players to be equal with EVE players. He doesn't want people that don't play this game bringing ideas to CCP, as they may not. Choose the best ones that we want implemented. Having someone that plays EVE as well as Dust is actually an advantage, as they can see the argument from both sides and will be more likely to come up with balanced solutions rather than one game dominating the other.
Also just to clarify, The Black Jackal is not running in an election to be a leader. If he is elected his job it is not to tell you what to do. In actual fact he will be listening to you guys, taking your ideas and suggestions, bringing them to CCP and making sure they are heard and not buried by QQ threads that contribute nothing to this game
Also sorry if this thread seems a bit jumbled and out of order as I was tired when I wrote this.
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Enji Elric
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears
176
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Posted - 2012.11.23 22:26:00 -
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The Black Jackal wrote:Not entirely sure how to take that Plymco comment...
Clarify please?
Plymco Pilgrim is someone who has a LOT of respect from the MAG community, love him or hate him, we all respect him. started a clan in mag that lasted almost the entire game and is respected still (like it or not)
is currently a Playstaion MVP, which means Sony uses him as a PR guy, contests, giveaways, and "hey lets all play on this day" are handled by him on the starhawk forums.
Trouble with doing that is, it takes time to get that kind of respect. Fact is, there are still a lot of people who have never heard of you/ played with you/ against you.
EDIT: I get it you don't think that should be a deciding factor, but it is, sorry. |
The Black Jackal
The Southern Legion
302
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Posted - 2012.11.24 01:38:00 -
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Enji Elric wrote:The Black Jackal wrote:Not entirely sure how to take that Plymco comment...
Clarify please? Plymco Pilgrim is someone who has a LOT of respect from the MAG community, love him or hate him, we all respect him. started a clan in mag that lasted almost the entire game and is respected still (like it or not) is currently a Playstaion MVP, which means Sony uses him as a PR guy, contests, giveaways, and "hey lets all play on this day" are handled by him on the starhawk forums. Trouble with doing that is, it takes time to get that kind of respect. Fact is, there are still a lot of people who have never heard of you/ played with you/ against you. EDIT: I get it you don't think that should be a deciding factor, but it is, sorry.
I'm not suggesting I could be that great.
This Plymco guy, however he did it, has my respect simply by association. New Eden isn't the same in that respect. there are many people who garner that kind of resapect. Podcasters, V-Loggers, Bloggers, and yes, the CSM representatives and those that help those candidates with their focus, information gathering etc.
I simply want to give a voice to people on the existing council so that one governing body, especially one that has reigned as a singular entity for so long, doesn't dictate terms to us, the new guys on the block.
Sincerely, the Black Jackal |
Mister Hunt
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
230
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Posted - 2012.11.24 04:05:00 -
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The Black Jackal wrote:
Now I am not one of those who is over active on the Forums, I have read, seen, posted some comments, but I let my in-game play do the talking and clearly, with servers being what they are, I have not had a huge amount of exposure.
This in and of itself disqualifies you in my book. If you are not active on the forums, how are you supposed to understand the issues? What is an issue for you may not be an issue for everyone else, and vice versa. |
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Tectonious Falcon
The Southern Legion
395
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Posted - 2012.11.24 04:17:00 -
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Mister Hunt wrote:The Black Jackal wrote:
Now I am not one of those who is over active on the Forums, I have read, seen, posted some comments, but I let my in-game play do the talking and clearly, with servers being what they are, I have not had a huge amount of exposure.
This in and of itself disqualifies you in my book. If you are not active on the forums, how are you supposed to understand the issues? What is an issue for you may not be an issue for everyone else, and vice versa.
By that he meant he doesn't post very often, but he still reads the forums. |
Mister Hunt
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
230
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Posted - 2012.11.24 04:22:00 -
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And we know this how? If we don't see someone posting on the forums, we cannot be for certain that they are reading them. I don't care how many people from SL come to his defense either. He is not an active member of the community if he does not post. He is just watcher, not a contributor. |
Tectonious Falcon
The Southern Legion
395
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Posted - 2012.11.24 04:38:00 -
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Mister Hunt wrote:And we know this how? If we don't see someone posting on the forums, we cannot be for certain that they are reading them. I don't care how many people from SL come to his defense either. He is not an active member of the community if he does not post. He is just watcher, not a contributor.
Stop changing your story. First you said he doesn't read the forums, so he can't understand the issues (which is wrong) and I told you he did, so he does know the issues. Now you saying that you don't want him as CSM because he doesn't post in them. Posting doesn't mean active.
You also said that he's a watcher not a contributer. Not much actually gets changed by CCP. I've seen hundreds of good ideas that CCP don't even acknowledge- they only change things that people repeatedly make dozens of QQ threads about and that's not a good quality to have in a CSM candidate is it? Besides his job isn't necessarily to come up with ideas, his job is to make sure CCP know about the ideas that everyone else has. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.11.24 04:43:00 -
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Mister Hunt wrote:And we know this how? If we don't see someone posting on the forums, we cannot be for certain that they are reading them. I don't care how many people from SL come to his defense either. He is not an active member of the community if he does not post. He is just watcher, not a contributor.
Clearly you do not associate or have associated with any of the current or past CSM.. thier daily details are not to have fun little discussions back and forth with you on the forums all day , that does not get anything done by that person if his time is taken up in every thing you want to talk about. If they understaand the voice of the common people they represent, and can put it into action in fron of the right eyes, they are doing their job. Just because they don't talk back to you on everything doesn't mean they don't hear and feel you. Being on the CSM board might seem like all fun and games sometimes, but it isn't. |
Mister Hunt
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
230
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Posted - 2012.11.24 04:59:00 -
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You guys need to get off your high horse. The fact of the matter is, The Black Jackal is only known to the membership of The Southern Legion and a very few other people. Tectonious, I never once changed my story. I quoted Jackal as saying that he wasn't active on the forums. I said this disqualified him. You said he reads but doesn't post. I said that still doesn't make him active, so it disqualifies him. As far as the current CSM, or a past one, they are known entities. Not someone that just up and out of the blue makes a post announcing their candidacy for a non-existent position. They are known because they, before being elected, were active members of the community. The Black Jackal does not fit that position. |
Enji Elric
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears
176
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Posted - 2012.11.24 05:04:00 -
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I honestly think we should lock this revolving door. It's pretty pointless. |
The Black Jackal
The Southern Legion
302
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Posted - 2012.11.24 05:31:00 -
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Mister Hunt wrote:You guys need to get off your high horse. The fact of the matter is, The Black Jackal is only known to the membership of The Southern Legion and a very few other people. Tectonious, I never once changed my story. I quoted Jackal as saying that he wasn't active on the forums. I said this disqualified him. You said he reads but doesn't post. I said that still doesn't make him active, so it disqualifies him. As far as the current CSM, or a past one, they are known entities. Not someone that just up and out of the blue makes a post announcing their candidacy for a non-existent position. They are known because they, before being elected, were active members of the community. The Black Jackal does not fit that position.
I'm known outside the membership of the Southern Legion (which also, mind you numbers nearly 100 and not all Australian, or New Zealanders. I associate with some members of Synergy Gaming, Zion TCD, and face off against some members of the Imperfects and Seraphim Initiative often enough to know I don't usually stand a chance without squad support.
I recently guested on Podside Episode #48, alongside Zion Shad to talk about the Tester's Tournament in which the Southern Legion was involved (though many also said we shouldn;t have been involved because we weren't in either the European or United States Section, (blatant disregard for the Oceanic and Asian Region in my opinion). I was involved and aquitted myself in every match we played in that tournament, and I still keep open communications with many people I played against.
CSMs don't post in the Assembly Hall constantly. They post as required, or as they feel needed, but they READ almost every suggestion, as well as the community response to it. They are known... how? Well their Alliance Leaders, Corp Leaders, bloggers, vloggers, etc. Or they simply put up their hand in the beginning and said, "Here I am."
As for the non-existant position. The position exists. I WILL be running for CSM, and in policy I will support DUST because the CSM needs a DUST representative. The position is there, the only difference is whether or not there will be DUST elected positions added to the CSM, or DUST candidates will have to sit for existing seats on the Council. Either way it goes, I will be standing for the CSM.
Sincerely, The Black Jackal |
Mister Hunt
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
230
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Posted - 2012.11.24 06:03:00 -
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Again, you are not a name that is well known. How can I say that? You have 3 pages already of different people telling you that they don't know who you are. You have 6 pages of various posts in your post listing. I am not nearly considered "active" and I have 14 pages. Most of the posts that you have made are contained inside of the 3 recruitment threads that you have made. Very few posts outside of there and this post.
I am in no way shape or form trying to boost myself up. I am not qualified for the post in my opinion. I personally believe that the person most deserving of the position, and who would do the best job at it, would be Zion_Shad. He is actively involved in the Dust 514 community as a whole. Congratulations on getting to go on Podside. I can't take that from you. Congratulations on being in the tourny, again, I can't take that from you either. But the fact remains that you will NEVER convince me that you know what is going on in this game unless you take the time to read and RESPOND to posts. Or well, make posts that don't just serve yourself. How many posts have you started or contributed to in the Bug report forum? How many in the Feedback forum? Map sections? Or is all of your posts in General or Corp Recruitment?
As far as the CSM thing in Eve goes, no, they don't always post in the Assembly Hall, but they post elsewhere. You do realize that there isn't just one or two sections of the forums, right? Put up their hand in the beginning? Really? I don't think so. It is an elected position. If I were to jump on the forums right now and just put my hand up, it would get laughed back down. Why? Because I am not an active contributor to the Eve community. Yes, I post over there, but I'm far from being "known".
Now, understand this, I am in no way attempting to put down on you or anything. I just believe that it is a valid concern that many would have. The CSM is not some social club. It is for those that contribute to the community in a meaningful manner, and 2 posts in the Feedback forums and 1 post in the Bug forums does not meet the threshold of "contribute" in my mind.
And for my last little bit, it is SyNergy, not Synergy. There is a difference, and if you were as into Eve as you claim, you would know that, and be aware of the little details such as that. |
Enji Elric
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears
176
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Posted - 2012.11.24 06:10:00 -
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can we let this die already please.. just searched Hunter Blake on Eve forums mr blake has 5 (Five) posts and the thread is locked ... |
Knightshade Belladonna
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
288
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Posted - 2012.11.24 06:51:00 -
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Mister Hunt wrote:Again, you are not a name that is well known. How can I say that? You have 3 pages already of different people telling you that they don't know who you are. You have 6 pages of various posts in your post listing. I am not nearly considered "active" and I have 14 pages. Most of the posts that you have made are contained inside of the 3 recruitment threads that you have made. Very few posts outside of there and this post.
I am in no way shape or form trying to boost myself up. I am not qualified for the post in my opinion. I personally believe that the person most deserving of the position, and who would do the best job at it, would be Zion_Shad. He is actively involved in the Dust 514 community as a whole. Congratulations on getting to go on Podside. I can't take that from you. Congratulations on being in the tourny, again, I can't take that from you either. But the fact remains that you will NEVER convince me that you know what is going on in this game unless you take the time to read and RESPOND to posts. Or well, make posts that don't just serve yourself. How many posts have you started or contributed to in the Bug report forum? How many in the Feedback forum? Map sections? Or is all of your posts in General or Corp Recruitment?
As far as the CSM thing in Eve goes, no, they don't always post in the Assembly Hall, but they post elsewhere. You do realize that there isn't just one or two sections of the forums, right? Put up their hand in the beginning? Really? I don't think so. It is an elected position. If I were to jump on the forums right now and just put my hand up, it would get laughed back down. Why? Because I am not an active contributor to the Eve community. Yes, I post over there, but I'm far from being "known".
Now, understand this, I am in no way attempting to put down on you or anything. I just believe that it is a valid concern that many would have. The CSM is not some social club. It is for those that contribute to the community in a meaningful manner, and 2 posts in the Feedback forums and 1 post in the Bug forums does not meet the threshold of "contribute" in my mind.
And for my last little bit, it is SyNergy, not Synergy. There is a difference, and if you were as into Eve as you claim, you would know that, and be aware of the little details such as that.
Did someobdy run for csm and get 0 votes? |
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The Black Jackal
The Southern Legion
302
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Posted - 2012.11.24 06:54:00 -
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And you seem to be missing my point. The Forum is NOT the entire community. THE FORUM, is but a part of the Community. If the forums is the sole representation of the community, no one can save this game from inevitable doom considering the number of foul mouthed, immature, and cynical posters that this forum (or any forum) crawls with.
Previous arguments that you have yet to address in my posts... I play in game... I don't troll the forums, posting crap.
I haven't experienced major bugs, etc. So I cannot post on them. The ones I do experience, are generally well covered by the time I experience them. I guess it that respect I'm just lucky.
I don't feel most things are unbalanced, I simply try adapt to the situations where they are demanded. Again, most of those issues are posted well in advance to myself having come to the belief that they are unbalanced. I prefer to try overcome things, rather than QQ about an issue that often has a manageable way to counter it.
If I were simply voting for a candidate, rather than running for CSM. I'd rather someone who PLAYS the game... tries EVERYTHING to counter problems with current mechanics before dramatically nerfing, buffing, removing, adding the current items in game. Not someone who plays a few games, gets owned over and over by tanks becuase they're too stupid to avoid them, or try take out a Marauder driven by someone known as a well trained tanker solo with a frakking set of AV Grenades from in front of it's main gun. And then they rant and rave here on the forums about how OP tanks are that they can't be blow up with a solo Scout's AV grenade set.
I play the game, the people who know me play IN the game with me. Chat IN-GAME with me. Most of them hate the forums because of the constant trolls, flames, and stupid little threads repeating the same QQ over and over again. I don't generally post, becuase there's no need at the time. I read, I see the issues before the DUST community, I am emphasising those issues in my policies. Solo Tanks going 62/0, as well as no effective counters to dropships. Maps becoming bland, boring after a few games (or so people say) as well as hosts upon hosts of other issues. I've also read about the counter-arguments to all these points. I try them, or have Corpmates / Friends who try them as their skill trees match more to thos posted to counter it.
I KNOW the CSM isn't a social club. I know what they do is pretty damn serious. I know that to get something accomplished, like rebalancing economies, avoiding Null Sec Stagnation, and inciting conflict to revitalise portions of the climate are important issues. I follow the CSM often also. I'm not some random jumping up and down yelling 'HI HI HI LOOK AT ME!' that you seem to think I am.
Knowing what is going on in this game is a matter of READING,as to responding? Well there are dozens who 'respond' there are dozens more who 'troll'. Even more of those flame the posts, suggestions, or outright demand the game be made more in line with their visions. Transforming this complex and deep pool of possibilities into a CoD Clone, or another FPS franchise that holds as much appeal as that shiny bauble at the bottom of a stream that makes you want to drown yourself to get it, only to find you've wasted your life to get a shard of glassy rock as worthless as the stream bed it rests upon.
Oh and as for your last poor pathetic excuse to try make me look bad, I mispressed my SHIFT key while typing. Something I am sure someone of your excellent calibre and truly sparkling personality would never do.
And to respond to Enji Elric's post..Continued |
The Black Jackal
The Southern Legion
302
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Posted - 2012.11.24 06:58:00 -
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... Continued from above post.
EVE Forums are even less representative of the EVE Online Community. With the number of EVE Onlien Forums, Corporations, in-game boards, Mumble, Ventrillo, TS3 since they are NOT under NDA... do you expect that a sinlge search, on a single official forum, can give you everything you possibly need to know about someone?
Active on the Forums =/= Active in the Community. Only a portion of it.
Regards, The Black Jackal |
Enji Elric
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears
176
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Posted - 2012.11.24 07:21:00 -
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and now another point... leaders should be cool calm and collected, not hot headed. and if you can't use the official forum then why try to be an official.
gotta say it because it is obviously a rhetorical question. You Mad Bro? |
The Black Jackal
The Southern Legion
302
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Posted - 2012.11.24 07:39:00 -
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Actually, no, I am not mad. I'm frustrated.
Anyone who doesn't get frustrated by constant attacks, over days, on invalid points, all of which I have addressed through previous posts, simply isn't human and should be regarded as suspect. Being mad doesn't serve anything.
You incite an emotional reaction, then blame the guy having the reaction to your goading for not being level headed?
Everyoneis entitled to an opinion, and since I am the focal point of this particular discussion, and the comments are directed at me, I am entitled to respond with either my own opinion, or a fact.
FACT: Forums do not constitute a games entire community. Ever.
FACT: Forums are often filled with trolls, idiots, and cynicism that most people tend to avoid. Thus making said forum even less a representation of said community, and more a representation of the 'bad side' of the game.
Why do you think the CSM has a forum specifically prohibiting trolls, flames etc. And people who impeach those rules are banned, thread deleted, and ignored. Because they had to find some way to communicate through official channels without the crap that goes along with it.
Even that being said, many CSM candidates get information other ways. Including IN-GAME.
Regards, The Black Jackal |
Tectonious Falcon
The Southern Legion
395
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Posted - 2012.11.24 07:43:00 -
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Enji Elric wrote:and now another point... leaders should be cool calm and collected, not hot headed. and if you can't use the official forum then why try to be an official.
gotta say it because it is obviously a rhetorical question. You Mad Bro? Hmmmm fail troll is fail. 1/10 for the attempt, it was a nice try and with practice you may move past copying the work of others.
Jackal has made at least 5-6 calm posts trying to explain to you guys and yet people keep saying the same things and talk about things they have no knowledge of. I'll admit, I don't play EVE but at least I do my research. Please be quiet until you do yours.
Also which part of it came off as angry to you? The CAPS? They were used to put emphasis on words.
I EAT cakes I eat CAKES.
See how they read differently and mean slightly different things? I didn't see him swearing, apart from crap, which I don't even consider a curse. |
Enji Elric
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears
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Posted - 2012.11.24 07:57:00 -
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have fun with this guys i see the only people here promoting this is TSL. I'm done, good luck, good ridance |
Wako 75
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2012.11.24 08:16:00 -
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Mischa Egan wrote:I'll back you wanting for a CSM placement, but to be honest at this point that's all we can be viewed as, little people running around playing in the dirt, it woln't be untill we start blowing up capitials that we get any recognition.
do you mean capitals like the ship type because if you think dust mercs are going to be able to take those out your trippin. also a dust part of the csm is a good thing give us a voice outside of these fourms.
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Tectonious Falcon
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2012.11.24 08:16:00 -
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Enji Elric wrote:have fun with this guys i see the only people here promoting this is TSL. I'm done, good luck, good ridance
Actually plenty of people on other pages have supported this, but apparently you lack the ability to look at anything (including what CSM members do) or do anything useful. The reason only TSL members are arguing with you (apart from knightshade who was just pointing out obvious things) is because most other people can't be bothered with repetitive people like you.
Tata, don't let the door hit you on the way out! |
Mister Hunt
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.11.24 09:15:00 -
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In response to your "this isn't the community". Yes it is. For now anyway, until the NDA is lifted there is very few places to come together. As far as other things that you have posted: I am not in any way trying to incite a reaction out of anyone (I realize there are some on here that are, they are not me however).
"I play the game, the people who know me play IN the game with me. Chat IN-GAME with me. Most of them hate the forums because of the constant trolls, flames, and stupid little threads repeating the same QQ over and over again. I don't generally post, becuase there's no need at the time. I read, I see the issues before the DUST community, I am emphasising those issues in my policies. Solo Tanks going 62/0, as well as no effective counters to dropships. Maps becoming bland, boring after a few games (or so people say) as well as hosts upon hosts of other issues. I've also read about the counter-arguments to all these points. I try them, or have Corpmates / Friends who try them as their skill trees match more to thos posted to counter it."
Please pardon my bad quote skills, that is just a copy/paste from your earlier response. You see these issues. Where have you brought up your thoughts on these issues in the respective feedback threads? You haven't because you don't like trolls? Grow some thick skin because as a CSM you will be working alongside the best trolls in the business. You have done nothing to bring the game forward based on your feedback, or severe lack thereof. Talking ingame doesn't bring issues to developers. Right now that is what is needed. Sitting there ingame chit chatting does nothing to bring Dust 514 forward into the future. You have said it yourself, you have been mostly playing in the ANZAC servers. That means that you have not had the opportunity to get with as many players as you would if you were more active here on the forums. The arguments for you being elected (you have almost 100 players in your corp, you were on a podcast, you participated in the tourney) are invalid since I can then say that you are not in the largest Dust corp, the CEO of the largest corp is the host of that podcast, and he has had many people on it, and you were not the number one corp in the tourney. By your qualifications that you have bragged about the position should go to either Zion_Shad or a member of the Imperfects.
Again, I am not trying to attack you. I am only trying to point out where your thoughts are flawed. I am in fact attempting to keep the conversation civil. As far as the SyNergy Gaming comment, I was only trying to point out that as a CSM candidate, you must be very careful about such things, especially since SyNergy gets a bit touchy over their capital N at times.
It has been a nice chat here on the forums. I invite you to go to the other threads and put your thoughts down in writing on the issues that Dusters are facing. If you get flamed, don't worry, move on. It happens to everyone. That is how to get people to know you. You can be the best player in the game (Regnum imho btw) and if you don't have a good repertoire on the forums, you won't get the position (Regnum won't because too many people hate him, but he would do good in the position because he can hold his own probably against the likes of CFC). |
Sleepy Zan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.11.24 09:28:00 -
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Isn't all this a little early?
And OP, it's safe to say that most people don't know you or trust you. |
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