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Mister Hunt Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 230	Posted - 2012.11.24 04:05:00 - [1] - Quote The Black Jackal wrote: Now I am not one of those who is over active on the Forums, I have read, seen, posted some comments, but I let my in-game play do the talking and clearly, with servers being what they are, I have not had a huge amount of exposure. This in and of itself disqualifies you in my book. If you are not active on the forums, how are you supposed to understand the issues? What is an issue for you may not be an issue for everyone else, and vice versa.
Mister Hunt Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 230	Posted - 2012.11.24 04:22:00 - [2] - Quote And we know this how? If we don't see someone posting on the forums, we cannot be for certain that they are reading them. I don't care how many people from SL come to his defense either. He is not an active member of the community if he does not post. He is just watcher, not a contributor.
Mister Hunt Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 230	Posted - 2012.11.24 04:59:00 - [3] - Quote You guys need to get off your high horse. The fact of the matter is, The Black Jackal is only known to the membership of The Southern Legion and a very few other people. Tectonious, I never once changed my story. I quoted Jackal as saying that he wasn't active on the forums. I said this disqualified him. You said he reads but doesn't post. I said that still doesn't make him active, so it disqualifies him. As far as the current CSM, or a past one, they are known entities. Not someone that just up and out of the blue makes a post announcing their candidacy for a non-existent position. They are known because they, before being elected, were active members of the community. The Black Jackal does not fit that position.
Mister Hunt Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 230	Posted - 2012.11.24 06:03:00 - [4] - Quote Again, you are not a name that is well known. How can I say that? You have 3 pages already of different people telling you that they don't know who you are. You have 6 pages of various posts in your post listing. I am not nearly considered "active" and I have 14 pages. Most of the posts that you have made are contained inside of the 3 recruitment threads that you have made. Very few posts outside of there and this post. I am in no way shape or form trying to boost myself up. I am not qualified for the post in my opinion. I personally believe that the person most deserving of the position, and who would do the best job at it, would be Zion_Shad. He is actively involved in the Dust 514 community as a whole. Congratulations on getting to go on Podside. I can't take that from you. Congratulations on being in the tourny, again, I can't take that from you either. But the fact remains that you will NEVER convince me that you know what is going on in this game unless you take the time to read and RESPOND to posts. Or well, make posts that don't just serve yourself. How many posts have you started or contributed to in the Bug report forum? How many in the Feedback forum? Map sections? Or is all of your posts in General or Corp Recruitment? As far as the CSM thing in Eve goes, no, they don't always post in the Assembly Hall, but they post elsewhere. You do realize that there isn't just one or two sections of the forums, right? Put up their hand in the beginning? Really? I don't think so. It is an elected position. If I were to jump on the forums right now and just put my hand up, it would get laughed back down. Why? Because I am not an active contributor to the Eve community. Yes, I post over there, but I'm far from being "known". Now, understand this, I am in no way attempting to put down on you or anything. I just believe that it is a valid concern that many would have. The CSM is not some social club. It is for those that contribute to the community in a meaningful manner, and 2 posts in the Feedback forums and 1 post in the Bug forums does not meet the threshold of "contribute" in my mind. And for my last little bit, it is SyNergy, not Synergy. There is a difference, and if you were as into Eve as you claim, you would know that, and be aware of the little details such as that.
Mister Hunt Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 230	Posted - 2012.11.24 09:15:00 - [5] - Quote In response to your "this isn't the community". Yes it is. For now anyway, until the NDA is lifted there is very few places to come together. As far as other things that you have posted: I am not in any way trying to incite a reaction out of anyone (I realize there are some on here that are, they are not me however). "I play the game, the people who know me play IN the game with me. Chat IN-GAME with me. Most of them hate the forums because of the constant trolls, flames, and stupid little threads repeating the same QQ over and over again. I don't generally post, becuase there's no need at the time. I read, I see the issues before the DUST community, I am emphasising those issues in my policies. Solo Tanks going 62/0, as well as no effective counters to dropships. Maps becoming bland, boring after a few games (or so people say) as well as hosts upon hosts of other issues. I've also read about the counter-arguments to all these points. I try them, or have Corpmates / Friends who try them as their skill trees match more to thos posted to counter it." Please pardon my bad quote skills, that is just a copy/paste from your earlier response. You see these issues. Where have you brought up your thoughts on these issues in the respective feedback threads? You haven't because you don't like trolls? Grow some thick skin because as a CSM you will be working alongside the best trolls in the business. You have done nothing to bring the game forward based on your feedback, or severe lack thereof. Talking ingame doesn't bring issues to developers. Right now that is what is needed. Sitting there ingame chit chatting does nothing to bring Dust 514 forward into the future. You have said it yourself, you have been mostly playing in the ANZAC servers. That means that you have not had the opportunity to get with as many players as you would if you were more active here on the forums. The arguments for you being elected (you have almost 100 players in your corp, you were on a podcast, you participated in the tourney) are invalid since I can then say that you are not in the largest Dust corp, the CEO of the largest corp is the host of that podcast, and he has had many people on it, and you were not the number one corp in the tourney. By your qualifications that you have bragged about the position should go to either Zion_Shad or a member of the Imperfects. Again, I am not trying to attack you. I am only trying to point out where your thoughts are flawed. I am in fact attempting to keep the conversation civil. As far as the SyNergy Gaming comment, I was only trying to point out that as a CSM candidate, you must be very careful about such things, especially since SyNergy gets a bit touchy over their capital N at times. It has been a nice chat here on the forums. I invite you to go to the other threads and put your thoughts down in writing on the issues that Dusters are facing. If you get flamed, don't worry, move on. It happens to everyone. That is how to get people to know you. You can be the best player in the game (Regnum imho btw) and if you don't have a good repertoire on the forums, you won't get the position (Regnum won't because too many people hate him, but he would do good in the position because he can hold his own probably against the likes of CFC).
Mister Hunt Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 230	Posted - 2012.11.24 12:53:00 - [6] - Quote I can see your points, and I have noticed that you have posted tonight in a few posts. That increases your exposure. I'm not saying you were a bad person or anything like that. I will admit to getting a bit upset when I was basically called a flip flopper (not by you), when I hadn't. One thing that I do on these forums many times is play the Devils' Advocate. This time it wasn't so much, as I honestly can't say I know who you are. Of course, the same could be said about me as well. Heck, a simple search of my posts will clearly show that I am a whiney baby at times (especially concerning a certain tourny...ahem...). I just want to make sure that the community is well represented. You mention the Australian "community", along with the EU and American, being separate. I was unaware of this. I run (well, did before I left my old corp) with Aussies, I have never heard them mention that there was a different meeting place. I'm not saying there isn't mind you. I was just wondering is all. This and the IRC have been the only "gathering" places I have seen that people can talk outside of the game and not break the NDA, besides individual corporation forums, and even those could be considered iffy in that respect. And the ingame communication is severely lacking. This to me says that logically people would come to the forums. I dunno, it just seemed disconcerting to log on and see a post by someone saying they represented the views of the many when few of the forum regulars knew you. (I am not a regular). If the "community" was elsewhere, why post your intentions here? Oh wait, that is because the community is here. The ones that are trying to make the game better? Here. The tools that don't know when to shut up? Ya, we are here as well, but many of us trollish types also attempt to make the game as far from being a COD clone as possible. We are the ones that bash the ideas of "everyone should be the same", or "such and such game had _______ feature, so this one MUST". We troll those posts into the ground in order to make CCP realize that the game that they envisioned is the RIGHT game. If I wanted to play COD, I would throw that disk in (ok, I don't have COD, I have BF3). Instead, I want to play something different. Yes, the way we go about trying to institute that "different" is a little off, but we are trying desperately to not have Dust be just another average game. I personally want it to be EPIC so as to give me something to do while my Retriever is boring me to death yet again. To close, I do thank you for the well thought out replies. I do hope to see you contribute more on the forums. You are correct in not making new posts about something, but responding to them works wonders. Now just to get everyone to use the feedback formats that CCP asked for and it would be easier to pick out which post to post in ya know? I personally don't know who I would vote for, but it would have to be someone that I have seen around more. Sarah Palin, besides being a nutjob, was also an unknown (you brought Obama up, so figured real world was game), and that hurt John McCain's candidacy 4 years ago. Don't be that unknown!

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