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The Black Jackal
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2012.11.24 11:39:00 -
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Sleepy Zan, no It isn't early. If anything it's late. the CSM nominations are coming sooner than you think.
Second, it may be 'safe to say' that most people don't know me... trust me? Trust is a relative matter. I haven't given reason for distrust... nor to those who don't know me, reason to trust I grant. But it's also safe to say that Zion Shad is a good representative of the community (even I endorse this), it's safe to say the Imperfects are the ones to beat skill wise. Does saying 'safe' stuff actually mean anything?
Stepping back from this narrow community... do 'most' people know (or trust for that matter) President Obama? Prime Mininster Julia Gillard? These are the people that actually determine the course of our Real Lives... and MOST people don't know them, and I've yet to meet a person who actually 'trusts' a politician.
@Mister Hunt
Communities are made up of many separate parts. You have the Forum Community, the Australian Community, the European Community, the United States Community. Separated by Time Zones, inclination, and so forth. There are thousands who play this game, hundreds who post of forums. Until such time as you can tell me that EVERY person in the game subscribes, and posts on these forums. The Forums cannot be considered the entirety of the Community.
Reposting information that CCP has already said they were fixing, or working on a fix for, does nothing but fill the forums with what you generally see, the same topics, reworded, and reposted over and over and over. Unlike many I use the 'Search' Function and when I put in search parameters, lo and behold, so many topics come up on that same issue. Should I then, just because I want to get 'my' point across, waste CCPs time with reposting that exact same problem with my own words? No. It wastes my time, and it wastes theirs.
Also, in addition, I never said having nearly 100 members in my corp, being on a podcast, or being in the tournament were reasons to be elected. They were stated as examples of exposure overlooked by the people saying I wasn't known. There may be several hundered out there who do not know me... liekly there is, but there are several hundred who do nad not solely in the Southern Legion (as stated in previous replies also). I was not 'bragging' about these achievements... I was stating fact. Bragging implies that I'm forcing you to acknowledge a supoeriority over something. I'm not, I'm stating that these things happened.
Zion Shad would be a great representative. And I would love to run against / with him for the CSM. The more representatives on the CSM we have, from different view points, or the same, the more our messages, opinions and such will get out. So let a member of the Imperfects Run, let Zion Run. I've spoken with Zion, I appreciate his views, and I would believe he appreciates mine...
So far, also, since that mistype of SyNergy without the Capital, I have not received hate mails, threats or anything. If I did offend any member, or leader of SyNergy, I do apologize, but it was in all seriousness a slip of the finger in attempting to type faster than I was previously accustomed to.
Regards, The Black Jackal
Edit: Just to clarify, I am NOT comparing myself to President Obama, or Prime Minister Julia Gillard, they were postulated as examples of people not knowing / trusting people yet still voting for them for policy etc. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.11.24 12:36:00 -
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Well said Black. |
Mister Hunt
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
230
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Posted - 2012.11.24 12:53:00 -
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I can see your points, and I have noticed that you have posted tonight in a few posts. That increases your exposure.
I'm not saying you were a bad person or anything like that. I will admit to getting a bit upset when I was basically called a flip flopper (not by you), when I hadn't.
One thing that I do on these forums many times is play the Devils' Advocate. This time it wasn't so much, as I honestly can't say I know who you are. Of course, the same could be said about me as well. Heck, a simple search of my posts will clearly show that I am a whiney baby at times (especially concerning a certain tourny...ahem...). I just want to make sure that the community is well represented.
You mention the Australian "community", along with the EU and American, being separate. I was unaware of this. I run (well, did before I left my old corp) with Aussies, I have never heard them mention that there was a different meeting place. I'm not saying there isn't mind you. I was just wondering is all. This and the IRC have been the only "gathering" places I have seen that people can talk outside of the game and not break the NDA, besides individual corporation forums, and even those could be considered iffy in that respect. And the ingame communication is severely lacking. This to me says that logically people would come to the forums.
I dunno, it just seemed disconcerting to log on and see a post by someone saying they represented the views of the many when few of the forum regulars knew you. (I am not a regular). If the "community" was elsewhere, why post your intentions here? Oh wait, that is because the community is here. The ones that are trying to make the game better? Here. The tools that don't know when to shut up? Ya, we are here as well, but many of us trollish types also attempt to make the game as far from being a COD clone as possible. We are the ones that bash the ideas of "everyone should be the same", or "such and such game had _______ feature, so this one MUST". We troll those posts into the ground in order to make CCP realize that the game that they envisioned is the RIGHT game. If I wanted to play COD, I would throw that disk in (ok, I don't have COD, I have BF3). Instead, I want to play something different. Yes, the way we go about trying to institute that "different" is a little off, but we are trying desperately to not have Dust be just another average game. I personally want it to be EPIC so as to give me something to do while my Retriever is boring me to death yet again.
To close, I do thank you for the well thought out replies. I do hope to see you contribute more on the forums. You are correct in not making new posts about something, but responding to them works wonders. Now just to get everyone to use the feedback formats that CCP asked for and it would be easier to pick out which post to post in ya know? I personally don't know who I would vote for, but it would have to be someone that I have seen around more. Sarah Palin, besides being a nutjob, was also an unknown (you brought Obama up, so figured real world was game), and that hurt John McCain's candidacy 4 years ago. Don't be that unknown! |
Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
479
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Posted - 2012.11.24 14:38:00 -
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You are out of your mind even wanting to do this crap jackal, although you've got the skills considering you got Aussie players who hated each other with a passion to unite for a tourney. |
NAV HIV
The Generals
151
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Posted - 2012.11.24 19:56:00 -
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Firestorm Zulu wrote:I don't want an eve player representing me in an FPS. I want someone who has experience in console FPS to represent my voice.
Exactly what i tried saying earlier |
Tectonious Falcon
The Southern Legion
395
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Posted - 2012.11.24 21:32:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:Firestorm Zulu wrote:I don't want an eve player representing me in an FPS. I want someone who has experience in console FPS to represent my voice. Exactly what i tried saying earlier
Then I guess it's a good thing jackal has fps experience isn't it? If someone is in this beta then they MUST have played at least 1 fps (this one) and many people have played FPS's in their lives.
I don't understand why people are assuming that he's an EVE only player. In fact some people have been assuming a lot of things in this thread, without actually asking.
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.11.25 09:54:00 -
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After meeting Jackal and several other Southern Legion members today, I have to say, he's impressed me.
Keeping a polite and respectful attitude in the face of the negativity in this thread - including my own - has also impressed me.
Definitely someone I plan to keep an eye on, and if DUST players get a say in who becomes CSM, and he's in the running, I'm going to take his application seriously.
No promises who I'm voting for though. |
The Black Jackal
The Southern Legion
302
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Posted - 2012.11.25 11:59:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:After meeting Jackal and several other Southern Legion members today, I have to say, he's impressed me.
Keeping a polite and respectful attitude in the face of the negativity in this thread - including my own - has also impressed me.
Definitely someone I plan to keep an eye on, and if DUST players get a say in who becomes CSM, and he's in the running, I'm going to take his application seriously.
No promises who I'm voting for though.
Thankyou Garrett, and it was a pleasure to meet you also.
If push comes to shove, I want to fight for at least one DUST CSM Representative on the CSM. Two would be better, of course, but we need a voice voted by DUST, for DUST.
I will be placing an application as a candidate, and I hope many others do to. The more people we have, the more diverse the policies, the more choice DUST will have in the direction it goes.
I see, and talk, to so many great people who want this game to rise to, and above the expectations others have for it. Their passion is palatable, and even the few I completely disagree with, I cannot argue that their passion, or drive, is any less. DUST 514 is for DUST, and that voice should be heard in the politics of EVE Online.
Sincerely, The Black Jackal |
The Black Jackal
The Southern Legion
302
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Posted - 2012.11.25 12:03:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:You are out of your mind even wanting to do this crap jackal, although you've got the skills considering you got Aussie players who hated each other with a passion to unite for a tourney.
Thankyou for the... compliment... I think Beld. I would have put it as 'mild disregard' many had for eachother. Or 'overcompetitive behaviour'. But I tip my hat that the people who came together and fought under the one banner for the tournament for allowing me, and everyone else that fought beside them, the opportunity to have you at our side (without trying to strangle eachother at least).
Wish you and most of the other SoA guys had been able to stay, but prior commitments and such hold such a sway sometimes, it's hard to say otherwise.
Fight hard Beld, and the rest of your crew.
The Black Jackal |
Zion Shad
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
1620
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Posted - 2012.11.25 17:19:00 -
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I'm impressed on the amount of activity this post has (whether positive or negative). The one thing for sure is that it raises awareness about the CSM and that interaction between the player base and developers is a must. I'm always surprised with the lack of this in other titles when say clan leaders and game developers have a similar goal in that we both want to attract and maintain a player base. More games would benefit from a CSM idea, but we are not worried about other titles here...Just this one (or two)
Keep it up |
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Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
384
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Posted - 2012.11.25 18:43:00 -
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Honestly, Zion Shad would get my vote for CSM
Ps. I wanna see your comedy act if I'm not mistaking you for someone else |
Zion Shad
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
1620
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Posted - 2012.11.25 23:43:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Honestly, Zion Shad would get my vote for CSM
Ps. I wanna see your comedy act if I'm not mistaking you for someone else
Lol nope you got it right. I did stand up for about two years (still do when booked for the fun of it) |
The Black Jackal
The Southern Legion
302
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Posted - 2012.11.26 05:11:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:I'm impressed on the amount of activity this post has (whether positive or negative). The one thing for sure is that it raises awareness about the CSM and that interaction between the player base and developers is a must. I'm always surprised with the lack of this in other titles when say clan leaders and game developers have a similar goal in that we both want to attract and maintain a player base. More games would benefit from a CSM idea, but we are not worried about other titles here...Just this one (or two) Keep it up
I think one is the primary focus, how we interact with the other is still being determined... I'd like to push for more interaction than is rumored, but that might just step on EVE Players toes a little too much.
I'd love to get a response from the Devs on this thread, confirming whether we'll have a DUST CSM rep voted by DUST, or whether we'll have to stand for the EVE Online CSM Position where DUST players don't have a vote.
I'm hoping that one, two or more actual DUST players, voted by DUST players would represent DUST 514 on the CSM (expanding the council itself) rather than trying to 'muscle in' on territory EVE Players have controlled for nearly 10 years. |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
384
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Posted - 2012.11.26 05:19:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:Honestly, Zion Shad would get my vote for CSM
Ps. I wanna see your comedy act if I'm not mistaking you for someone else Lol nope you got it right. I did stand up for about two years (still do when booked for the fun of it) If you don't mind please link it on a thread or send the url to my psn or dust toon |
Zion Shad
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
1620
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Posted - 2012.11.26 08:21:00 -
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@ Vermaak: I'll post a thread in locker Room soon so not to take from Jackals thread. |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
384
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Posted - 2012.11.26 08:25:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:I'll post a thread in locker Room soon so not to take from Jackals thread. I'll create another CSM Post in this section soon as well Thanks |
The Black Jackal
The Southern Legion
302
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Posted - 2012.11.26 09:46:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:@ Vermaak: I'll post a thread in locker Room soon so not to take from Jackals thread.
Appreciate that Zion.
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The Black Jackal
The Southern Legion
302
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Posted - 2012.11.27 05:35:00 -
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I'm still hoping for a Dev reply to this thread in regards to whether or not we will have CSM positions for DUST or not.
The response to this thread, and others I've spoken to, is that DUST does need a voice on the CSM and it's what the majority of us want.
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.11.27 07:42:00 -
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The Black Jackal wrote:DUST does need a voice on the CSM and it's what the majority of us want. With the number of "casuals" who don't really care, and don't talk, and don't mind having no voice here or in New Eden as a whole, I'd say it's unlikely that "the majority" of players actively want DUST to have a CSM position. I'd say the majority of players are apathetic at best.
But the majority of people who DO have a voice of our own want to see CSMs who come from DUST. |
Firestorm Zulu
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
158
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Posted - 2012.11.27 09:16:00 -
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What qualifications do you have to represent the console FPS community? |
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The Black Jackal
The Southern Legion
302
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Posted - 2012.11.28 04:39:00 -
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How do you define the qualifications to represent the 'Console' FPS community comparative to the PC FPS Community, or the Console MMO Community, or the EVE / DUST Community?
My 'qualifications' are that 1) I'm here, I'm learning the game inside and out, talking to people, asking their opinions, and in addition to that, I've played EVE Online for over 5 years, I've represented parts of my own local community in gaming, and I'm experienced at leading Corporations in EVE, and I've brought that to DUST 514 with the creation of the Southern Legion.
Specificalliy to FPS, I've played many Console FPS Games, from CoD, Battlefield, and so many. Even flirted with Halo.
Above all, I'm willing to represent the community of DUST 514, EVE Online, (DUST coming first in my eyes) and take policy to the CSM that will bring DUST 514 into equal footing with EVE Online both in representation, and in the eyes of Gamers. |
The Black Jackal
The Southern Legion
302
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Posted - 2012.11.28 04:42:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:The Black Jackal wrote:DUST does need a voice on the CSM and it's what the majority of us want. With the number of "casuals" who don't really care, and don't talk, and don't mind having no voice here or in New Eden as a whole, I'd say it's unlikely that "the majority" of players actively want DUST to have a CSM position. I'd say the majority of players are apathetic at best. But the majority of people who DO have a voice of our own want to see CSMs who come from DUST.
I'd tend to agree with the apathetic community. And though they were included in my 'majority' claim I should have clarified that the 'majority' of people I've had in-depth discussions about this with, who I've seen putting actual effort into this game (even if it's in Beta), and people who still play and don't belong to that group of people coming to be affectionately called...'SHINIES!' |
Leither Yiltron
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
417
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Posted - 2012.11.28 06:01:00 -
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Black, your timing is off despite what are probably the best of intentions. You should spend your efforts pushing and organizing both your own organization, which isn't very representative of the Dust community as a whole at the moment. Furthermore, you should join the rest of the community in pushing for representation involving or akin to the CSM, rather than jumping the gun and assuming that CCP will just give that to us.
We need guys like you- the dedicated and the driven- to help make this push. It's possibly the most important thing we can do coming out of the beta and we're going to have to fight for it. |
The Black Jackal
The Southern Legion
302
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Posted - 2012.11.28 06:12:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:Black, your timing is off despite what are probably the best of intentions. You should spend your efforts pushing and organizing both your own organization, which isn't very representative of the Dust community as a whole at the moment. Furthermore, you should join the rest of the community in pushing for representation involving or akin to the CSM, rather than jumping the gun and assuming that CCP will just give that to us.
We need guys like you- the dedicated and the driven- to help make this push. It's possibly the most important thing we can do coming out of the beta and we're going to have to fight for it.
I'm doing that also, (organising my organisation) much to the detriment of my missus who complains I spend FAR too much time at the computer on DUST and EVE, and Internet, and clipping videos, songs etc for promotional videos.
This thread is about pushing also. Multiple times I'vce asked CCP to give us word whether we'll get this representation.
What I WOULD like to do, however, is build an 'Unofficial DUST CSM'. I'd 'like' to have a seat on it, but it would need to be elected. This unofficial council would organise coherent, logical ideas and post under it's own name as a 'popular' supported idea.
I'd much rather join with the current CSM, but until we get word about that, how about we get an unofficial DUST CSM going to actually give voice to the Beta Community. That way we can 'fight' for CSM representation as a Represented Community.
The Black Jackal |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.11.28 07:57:00 -
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The Black Jackal wrote:How do you define the qualifications to represent the 'Console' FPS community comparative to the PC FPS Community, or the Console MMO Community, or the EVE / DUST Community? PC FPS players get into more cerebral FPS games like Battlefield and Call of Duty, while us dirty console peasants play games for morons who can't keep track of so many variables... like Battlefield and Call of Duty.
Also, the console MMO community is almost entirely limited to that one Final Fantasy game, Free Realms and DC Universe Online. So pretty much... DCUO and Final Fantasy. |
The Black Jackal
The Southern Legion
302
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Posted - 2012.11.28 08:50:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:The Black Jackal wrote:How do you define the qualifications to represent the 'Console' FPS community comparative to the PC FPS Community, or the Console MMO Community, or the EVE / DUST Community? PC FPS players get into more cerebral FPS games like Battlefield and Call of Duty, while us dirty console peasants play games for morons who can't keep track of so many variables... like Battlefield and Call of Duty. Also, the console MMO community is almost entirely limited to that one Final Fantasy game, Free Realms and DC Universe Online. So pretty much... DCUO and Final Fantasy.
Thankyou for the clarification. though PC and Console FPS' players seem to play the same kind of games anyway.
Considering I play both, and Console and PC MMOs, as well as a host of other games (MW Online + more) I'd say my experience is fairly broad across the whole mass of genres.
Though nothing will replace DUST and EVE in my Game Set. Have Played EVE for 5 years, and DUST since the Replication Build. (Was when I finally got a Beta Code). |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.11.28 10:13:00 -
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The Black Jackal wrote:I'm still hoping for a Dev reply to this thread in regards to whether or not we will have CSM positions for DUST or not.
The response to this thread, and others I've spoken to, is that DUST does need a voice on the CSM and it's what the majority of us want.
It's not even in consideration until after NDA is lifted. And not truly likely until well after official launch. It's a bit early to get the propaganda machine rolling, but it's not too soon to start getting a larger forum presence so we know who the heck you are and what you bring to the table. |
The Black Jackal
The Southern Legion
302
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Posted - 2012.11.28 10:40:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:The Black Jackal wrote:I'm still hoping for a Dev reply to this thread in regards to whether or not we will have CSM positions for DUST or not.
The response to this thread, and others I've spoken to, is that DUST does need a voice on the CSM and it's what the majority of us want.
It's not even in consideration until after NDA is lifted. And not truly likely until well after official launch. It's a bit early to get the propaganda machine rolling, but it's not too soon to start getting a larger forum presence so we know who the heck you are and what you bring to the table.
Have you even seen my recent post history? I'm here every single night. And not only just reading, I'm posting at least 5 comments a night. As well as talking to people in game.
And... to your NDA comment Noc... The CSM itself is under NDA, so it wont conflict... and only people with BETA accounts would vote, thus not violating the NDA.
It is under consideration. DUST needs a voice pre-release. As to exact policy, you can either wait until campaign launch, or piece to gether my view from said forums topics. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1170
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Posted - 2012.11.28 10:44:00 -
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The Black Jackal wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:The Black Jackal wrote:I'm still hoping for a Dev reply to this thread in regards to whether or not we will have CSM positions for DUST or not.
The response to this thread, and others I've spoken to, is that DUST does need a voice on the CSM and it's what the majority of us want.
It's not even in consideration until after NDA is lifted. And not truly likely until well after official launch. It's a bit early to get the propaganda machine rolling, but it's not too soon to start getting a larger forum presence so we know who the heck you are and what you bring to the table. Have you even seen my recent post history? I'm here every single night. And not only just reading, I'm posting at least 5 comments a night. As well as talking to people in game. And... to your NDA comment Noc... The CSM itself is under NDA, so it wont conflict... and only people with BETA accounts would vote, thus not violating the NDA. It is under consideration. DUST needs a voice pre-release. As to exact policy, you can either wait until campaign launch, or piece to gether my view from said forums topics.
Of course, you could just campaign on the EVE side and not require a reserved DUST seat. Many of us have EVE accounts and would support someone who represents our primary interests. I'm not saying I'd vote for you, but I'm not saying I wouldn't. |
The Black Jackal
The Southern Legion
302
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Posted - 2012.11.28 11:07:00 -
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I could, and likely will. But campaigning EVE side for DUST (gauging from the reactions of some threads on EVE DUST integration) I'd have an uphill battle against alot of flames, QQ, and assorted other nasties, not to mention those people currently holding Sovereignty in their coallitions that don't want DUST impacting on 'their' game. (Reduced grind on Sov, Faster Faction Warfare etc.) Especially since I would be pushing for even greater impact on New Eden from the DUST side. With 0.0 coming to the point that they can stranglehold us with logistics, but we can deny them planetary assets, by either a) destroying their precious PI Facilities, or b) denying them the capability to get extracted resources off the planet via 'our' space elevator.
On that note, I do play EVE Online (as posted above) but DUST is my focus, and I would prefer DUST mercs to vote me, (or other reps) into the position so they don't feel that EVE has control of the DUST Rep on the CSM.
The Black Jackal |
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