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The Black Jackal The Southern Legion 302	Posted - 2012.11.20 12:13:00 - [1] - Quote It wasn't so long ago that, in it's own way, DUST 514 and EVE Online helped me deal with (and still helps me when I get low) my Depression. Along with Doctors, my family, and my friends, DUST 514 gave me a place I could vent my frustrations 'safely' and allow me to channel my efforts into constructing the Southern Legion in DUST, and so forth. When people ask me, 'Why do you take these games so seriously?' I cannot explain what I feel for CCPs games that literally saved me from hurting myself or others during my darkest times. So now, I want to give something back and represent the DUST 514 Community on the Council of Stellar Management (CSM). For those of you unfamiliar with the EVE Online body of politicis, the CSM are an elected Council of Players selected to act as a 'Senate' to CCP. They take the ideas, thoughts, and issues the players have and present them to CCP itself. I've played EVE Online for years under the name Hunter Blake, and with DUST 514 now comig to the fore, I believe it is time for THIS community to have a say in the development of the Game World we're becoming a part of. I have invested alot of time into this project personally, with both EVE Online and DUST 514 Interactions, I have tried to form a policy base upon which to present the DUST 514 Community's views, thoughts, and beliefs to CCP in relation to New Eden, EVE Online Players, and the Universe CCP has graciously created for us. I realise that, for some of you, you will either flame this appeal, or plan on running yourself. I respect your choices to do so. It is my sincerest wish to represent this Community as a whole to CCP either as a member of the CSM, or a representative to the CSM on behalf of DUST 514. I have sent mails to the DUST 514 Support staff questioning whether or not DUST 514 players will have a representative, or will be able to vote in upcoming CSM elections or not, but to date have not received an answer. (Not impuning CCP at all, I know you guys are busy and you'll likely answer my mail in due course). As a final note, if we are represented, and it is me that represents this community, I would like to let you know that I stand for greater Integration and Balance between DUST 514 and EVE Online. Where DUST 514 is, and can be, a valuable asset to EVE Online Corporations, or there bane if they chose to belittle us. Currently it seems that much of the EVE Online Community views DUST Mercs as little more than Add-Ons to their Universe, and at worst, some view us as an Advertisement for EVE Online. I want to shatter these perceptions, and as an EVE Online Player, AND DUST 514 Player, I say that DUST 514 should stand beside EVE Online, not beneath. The Black Jackal
Mischa Egan Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 13	Posted - 2012.11.20 12:39:00 - [2] - Quote I'll back you wanting for a CSM placement, but to be honest at this point that's all we can be viewed as, little people running around playing in the dirt, it woln't be untill we start blowing up capitials that we get any recognition.
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 208	Posted - 2012.11.20 12:53:00 - [3] - Quote I agree DUST should be represented on the council but it's not necessary before release and I think it would be just another thing to take time from development ... let's get this game working before we start on the extra bits like this. It would need to be voted by DUST players who is representing them on the council and a post release vote would be more representative if cast a few weeks to a month after release, giving the game and players a settling down period. I'm not entirely sure how many are on the council and even if they hold positions or are just all equals (I leave voting to the hardcore pilots, I'm fairly casual on Eve these days) ... mutual maybe DUST could add 2 seats ... one as an Eve/DUST player with knowledge of both games and the other from the console fps background to represent this side of the community.
Knightshade Belladonna Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 288	Posted - 2012.11.20 14:16:00 - [4] - Quote Needless Sacermendor wrote: I agree DUST should be represented on the council but it's not necessary before release and I think it would be just another thing to take time from development ... let's get this game working before we start on the extra bits like this. It would need to be voted by DUST players who is representing them on the council and a post release vote would be more representative if cast a few weeks to a month after release, giving the game and players a settling down period. I'm not entirely sure how many are on the council and even if they hold positions or are just all equals (I leave voting to the hardcore pilots, I'm fairly casual on Eve these days) ... mutual maybe DUST could add 2 seats ... one as an Eve/DUST player with knowledge of both games and the other from the console fps background to represent this side of the community. leaving voting to hardcore players nd excluding yourself results in 10k+ vote mittani win
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 229	Posted - 2012.11.20 14:37:00 - [5] - Quote Election days!!! Well ,my man ,I think you'r a good person, but not sure about it... you could get my vote! xD up to now if i had to vote for a player ( based on my experience of course ) i would definitely avoid voting for QQing 30 years old "children". And believe me dust is full of these guys atm. Imho i would vote for Zion Shad, he looks a right person to me, but i might be wrong: I have only seen some of his threads and some of his post and that's the impression he gave me, but again I might be wrong. What to say then...we'll see, even if i think it is too soon to talk about this. ps. Once again sorry for bad english xD
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion 302	Posted - 2012.11.21 06:55:00 - [6] - Quote Post launch representation is all well and good, but as it stands we need to have a galaxy prepared for our arrival in it. There's alot of integration to go into it, from high Security Levels, to Factional Warfare in the initial stages. I understand that having a solid game is the MOST important thing at this time, but there needs to be a vision beyond the game itself. We are entering a vast, complex game world. The deepest and most complex MMO world currently (to my knowledge) with a hyper dedicated fan-base, player run politics, and player representation for a pivotal element such as DUST 514 should be on the council before it is released. The CSM runs for an entire year, elections start late this year, or early 2013, and if DUST is to be released in 2013, we need immediate representation and not wait for the 2014 CSM to be represented. That's what I want to offer the community. Immediate Representation, pre-launch representation to ensure we enter the game on footing with the EVE Online players. The CSM is often focused around a section of gameplay. Often this is primarily 0.0 Warfare, which is something DUST will not be impacting at launch. We will hit the ground running in Factional Warfare, and we should have the CSM somewhat focused on that portion of the game before we launch. As to Zion Shad possibly running for CSM, I welcome him to. I would be glad to have our community represented by him also, or best yet, he and I side-by-side representing DUST 514 at the CSM would strengthen further our positions. He, coming as far as I am aware, more from the DUST 514 side, and myself more the balanced EVE Online and DUST 514 combination.
ReGnUM PERFECTION DEI 402	Posted - 2012.11.21 07:06:00 - [7] - Quote VOTE ReGnUM FOR CSM KDR>EVERYTHING
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1170	Posted - 2012.11.21 07:53:00 - [8] - Quote ReGnUM PERFECTION DEI wrote: VOTE ReGnUM FOR CSM KDR>EVERYTHING Skytt gets my vote then, his KDR is awesome as a dropship gunner. No offense Black Jackel, but I would not want you representing this game community, especially exlusively. I have no idea who you are from forums or in-game, and turning a serious issue into a sob story for entitlement is offensive to me, as the situation is all too close to home. I know a lot of players from many corporations that I would pick first (some would probably be surprised since I respect the people I challenge more than I let on). I even know some other players in Southern Legion I would trust. But not you, and nominating yourself is suspect. In full sincerity, I do not think the community is diverse, numerous, and mature enough to elect representation yet. I would rather set up a talk-with-devs open feedback discussion weekly, with voice if possible
Silax Minour Doomheim 29	Posted - 2012.11.21 07:59:00 - [9] - Quote Needless Sacermendor wrote: I agree DUST should be represented on the council but it's not necessary before release and I think it would be just another thing to take time from development ... let's get this game working before we start on the extra bits like this. Ya, what he said.
Enji Elric Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears 176	Posted - 2012.11.21 08:19:00 - [10] - Quote I thought in most elections someone else nominates you. Not you nominating yourself. Congratulations on finding an outlet for your feelings. That is part of your personal accountability and you should have a pat on the back for figuring out what many others were not able to. And I understand where you are coming from on that, I really do (PTSD). But why would you take something that you are currently talking to CCP about and blast it away here? Do you really think talking like this here would help your chances? I'm sorry but I would not like a leader to be someone who airs ongoing conversations or disputes before any judgements have been made. Save Face it means a lot.

STYLIE77 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 60	Posted - 2012.11.21 09:01:00 - [11] - Quote Mischa Egan wrote: I'll back you wanting for a CSM placement, but to be honest at this point that's all we can be viewed as, little people running around playing in the dirt, it woln't be untill we start blowing up capitials that we get any recognition. Well, that will change dramatically once integration occurs. Look, as more corps and alliances integrate Dust Mercs into their corps... they change into a Hybrid Corp or Alliance. At that point their interests may still be focused on Eve Pilot Concerns... but as Dust 514's influence begins to be implemented, the Corps and Alliances will have no choice but to take the issues seriously. At first there will be resistance and mainly calls to nerf game mechanics to a level that makes Dust 514's influence in New Eden's political landscape and economy trivial. However, time will pass and the eventuality is apparent. Some of the very same Alliances and Corps that are dismissive today will be ardent advocates for Dust 514's community. As more time slips by, many will realize that they are not advocates but involved parties. They will stop viewing Dust 514 as some experiment or side show... At that point, our concerns, our interests and our voice will be heard. Either directly or via a CSM member who belongs to what turned into a Hybrid Alliance we will be heard. Of that, I have no doubt.
Enji Elric Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears 176	Posted - 2012.11.21 11:05:00 - [12] - Quote I agree Stylie. I still think if it comes to all that and we need a community manager as this sounds it should be someone voted into the position by the rest of the community not to offend you at all but i'm gonna use you as an example If you offered to be the CSM guy a lot of people would be butthurt because of your mass association with mag but then all if not most of the mag players would be pretty peeved if we ended up with a bunch of eve players without PFS experience. just saying
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion 302	Posted - 2012.11.21 11:34:00 - [13] - Quote Thankyou for the replies, and I do appreciate your feedback, without regard to positive or negative reflection on my post. I will do my best to respond to each comment in reference to my original post in due course. Quote: Skytt gets my vote then, his KDR is awesome as a dropship gunner. No offense Black Jackel, but I would not want you representing this game community, especially exlusively. I have no idea who you are from forums or in-game, and turning a serious issue into a sob story for entitlement is offensive to me, as the situation is all too close to home. I know a lot of players from many corporations that I would pick first (some would probably be surprised since I respect the people I challenge more than I let on). I even know some other players in Southern Legion I would trust. But not you, and nominating yourself is suspect. In full sincerity, I do not think the community is diverse, numerous, and mature enough to elect representation yet. I would rather set up a talk-with-devs open feedback discussion weekly, with voice if possible Noc, while I appreciate that I may have offended you in stating my motivation for trying to give back to the DUST 514 Community, I am the one who has lived through, and is still living through this issue. I appreciate that if you, or someone you know, is or has experienced a similar issue to this, they will likely tell you that they required some focus. I chose DUST 514 and EVE Online, and they helped me o get through some very tough times. It is not a sob story, and I am actually offended in tuirn that you believe I would actually turn such a sob story into a 'vote for me'. I plan to campaign on solid policy and responding to the issues, I was simply stating my motivation to run for the CSM. As to nominating myself, what about that is suspect? I am a known entity by many, both in the Southern Legion and out, you have no reason to distrust me. I would also like to state an open forum would also be a nice touch, but the issue at hand is that the 'existing' infrastructure is focused solely on EVE Online, and not DUST 514 and it's integration into New Eden. Also, as to nominating myself. I could have had any member of the Southern Legion nominate me, as would many candidates. I could have an alt nominate me, as do many candidtaes... are these methods any different from self-nomination except by me being honest and stating that I believe I would represent the community well? As always, I respect your right to an opinion, but please, give me stated reasons for your distrust, or ask people who know me to clarifty their trust in me in the future before posting such remarks. Quote: I thought in most elections someone else nominates you. Not you nominating yourself. Congratulations on finding an outlet for your feelings. That is part of your personal accountability and you should have a pat on the back for figuring out what many others were not able to. And I understand where you are coming from on that, I really do (PTSD). But why would you take something that you are currently talking to CCP about and blast it away here? Do you really think talking like this here would help your chances? I'm sorry but I would not like a leader to be someone who airs ongoing conversations or disputes before any judgements have been made. Save Face it means a lot. Enji Elric, I have not aired a conversation or dispute between myself and CCP, (doing so would be a gross breach of Forum Rules) I simply stated that I had contacted CCP in hoipes to find out an official answer as to whether or not we will be represented, and whether DUST players will be able to vote. The results of any such inquiry have not been made openly, nor would they. I simply stated that I have asked them. Also, in elections, self-nomination is often how you get chosen to front a political party, or a council. Being nominated by someone else, is easy to arrange, and as I said to Noc in the previous portion of my message, I am simply and honestly stating my position wihtout postulating semantics. If there are any other comments that people would like addressed, please, let me know, and I will endeavour to address them. The Black Jackal
NAV HIV The Generals 151	Posted - 2012.11.21 13:50:00 - [14] - Quote No offense, but most of us dont know you. Want to earn our trust? Kill US a million times, revive US a few times... Support the Team, Squad, Blue dots (With mic)... Win the games or die trying. Stand by your teammates even if you dont like them... We are Mercs. We dont need anyone representing US, for now. We should not worry about anyone listening to US. Let the Gun do the talking... If it comes down to Voting and electing someone, We would rather choose someone who has been fighting long enough and earned the respect. We have been fighting side by side or against eachother for quite sometime now. Yes its you ( STB, Havok Core, PRO, KEQ, RND, PHI and so on...) And also Dust/Eve corps we came across (Thank you for the GG, learned alot). I have noticed one common trait, i hope i am right about this: We will not be someone's B**** neither will we answer anyone for our actions...
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion 302	Posted - 2012.11.21 20:18:00 - [15] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: No offense, but most of us dont know you. Want to earn our trust? Kill US a million times, revive US a few times... Support the Team, Squad, Blue dots (With mic)... Win the games or die trying. Stand by your teammates even if you dont like them... We are Mercs. We dont need anyone representing US, for now. We should not worry about anyone listening to US. Let the Gun do the talking... If it comes down to Voting and electing someone, We would rather choose someone who has been fighting long enough and earned the respect. We have been fighting side by side or against eachother for quite sometime now. Yes its you ( STB, Havok Core, PRO, KEQ, RND, PHI and so on...) And also Dust/Eve corps we came across (Thank you for the GG, learned alot). I have noticed one common trait, i hope i am right about this: We will not be someone's B**** neither will we answer anyone for our actions... Unfortuently, the reason many of you don't know me is the segregation of the servers. I am Australian, and as such, was and still often locked off the more populated US and European Servers. I have played since Replication, I have fought alongside many of the people who are on these forums. I previously was named Jaxx Blake (if anyone would care to remember) and spoke frequently with people like Noc Tempre, Chao Wolf, and many others. Now I am not one of those who is over active on the Forums, I have read, seen, posted some comments, but I let my in-game play do the talking and clearly, with servers being what they are, I have not had a huge amount of exposure. I am the CEO of the Southern Legion, many people discount the Corporation also due to the fact we are primarily based in the Australian / New Zealand Region and don't often play with everyone on the US and European Servers. Well known, does not mean well represented. If one of the well known people wants to run, that is fine by me, I am willing to compete on base policies. Struggling with forced anonymity is EXACTLY why I made this post. And it is why I attempt to address your comments as clearly as I can, to show that I am active, I do read these forums, and I do play the game. Often too much according to my partner. As to no one representing you... I think you underestimate what represntation of the CSM can do for DUST itself, as well as what it means to take a hand in the development of the world as we join it. New Eden is vast, complex, and dynamic. Representation entitles DUST 514 Mercs to a voice. I am posting that I would love to represent the community, if the community decides differently (the very definition of election), then so be it. The Black Jackal
Tiel Syysch Imperfects Negative-Feedback 633	Posted - 2012.11.21 20:54:00 - [16] - Quote The Black Jackal wrote: I am a known entity by many I have no idea who you are, in-game or out. You have next to no post history on these forums that isn't in your recruitment thread.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2012.11.21 23:01:00 - [17] - Quote I like the idea. (also, my advice is to avoid getting in matches of nothing but randoms: that may change things to major anger issues)
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.11.21 23:26:00 - [18] - Quote Tiel Syysch wrote: The Black Jackal wrote: I am a known entity by many I have no idea who you are, in-game or out. You have next to no post history on these forums that isn't in your recruitment thread. I second that, but will mention that "Jackal" in a person's name is a well-known sign of a well-known Assassin's Creed clan that this person probably has no association with, and would probably get him preferentially targeted by a lot of people playing the multiplayer for that series.
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion 302	Posted - 2012.11.22 04:57:00 - [19] - Quote Taking a sliver of a statement and placing emphasis on it... nice trick. I AM a known entity by many... clearly not AS many as one would clearly prefer to see. Many =/= All, and I respect that many will not know me. I play in a different Time Zone to most US and Eurpoean players, I work while you guys play, or I sleep while you play, and while I play, you sleep. So now, as we've establish that I am known by many, (but not some of you) we can move on. I would hope, however, that people do not judge me because I do not play with THEM, and judge me based on policy and willingness to represent this game when, so far as I know, NO ONE else has endeavoured to do, or even aimed for. Representation on the CSM is an important step for DUST 514, it symbolises that we are not some add-on to EVE Online, but are a community upon our own, with a voice of our own. THAT is why I'm running, THAT is why I made this post, and THAT is what I want to help give EVE Online and DUST 514. P.S. I have no affiliation with Assassin's Creed whatsoever. The Jackal in my name was chosen symbolically to project an image of Anubis, Egyptian god of the Underworld who's image was of a Jackal. ie. The Black Jackal = roughly The Black Death.
Enji Elric Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears 176	Posted - 2012.11.22 05:26:00 - [20] - Quote I've played on the Aussie servers, because of the time of day that I play it can be more populated... that being said, my normal servers are the americas. didn't see you at all 1 month ago when i was very active...(took a month break) before you ask. to play on the other servers you would designate the squad leader as someone connected through the server you want to play on, you want to play on the aussie asian servers then you make the aussie the lead, american make the american your lead

Tectonious Falcon The Southern Legion 395	Posted - 2012.11.22 05:32:00 - [21] - Quote Enji Elric wrote: I've played on the Aussie servers, because of the time of day that I play it can be more populated... that being said, my normal servers are the americas. didn't see you at all 1 month ago when i was very active...(took a month break) before you ask. to play on the other servers you would designate the squad leader as someone connected through the server you want to play on, you want to play on the aussie asian servers then you make the aussie the lead, american make the american your lead Who was your SL? I can tell you if they were actually an Aussie. Because if you ask almost anyone from our servers, they know who Jackal is.
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion 302	Posted - 2012.11.22 05:37:00 - [22] - Quote Enji Elric wrote: I've played on the Aussie servers, because of the time of day that I play it can be more populated... that being said, my normal servers are the americas. didn't see you at all 1 month ago when i was very active...(took a month break) before you ask. to play on the other servers you would designate the squad leader as someone connected through the server you want to play on, you want to play on the aussie asian servers then you make the aussie the lead, american make the american your lead Considerably strange considering that I play every day, from about 4pm AEST (UTC +11) to Downtime. Sometimes I'm less active than I like, but I do have a family after all with two small sons, and a missus who doesn't like me sitting gaming all evening. I know about the ability to play on alternate servers. I have used it occasionally, and beginning to use it more often now that the Corp has begun recruiting US and EU players more regularly.
Paero Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2012.11.22 06:10:00 - [23] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: No offense, but most of us dont know you. Want to earn our trust? Kill US a million times, revive US a few times... That won't earn trust as killing people and winning games, does not help converse with developers
Enji Elric Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears 176	Posted - 2012.11.22 09:29:00 - [24] - Quote my guess is it would be 23:30 your time and I cant remember the guys name i'll have to look at my contacts (away from home)
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion 302	Posted - 2012.11.22 09:43:00 - [25] - Quote Nope, 20:42 at the time of this post.
Enji Elric Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears 176	Posted - 2012.11.22 09:56:00 - [26] - Quote i know... let me put it this way I get out from work... which my line of work if there is no movement i can pretty well stay on my laptop. I get off from work at 2200(0500 mine) your time and i get on whenever the maint ends which i believe is between 2330 or 0000 (0630-0700) for your time usually people are either just waking up, going to school/work so the NA servers are usually not too active those times this week and weekend however we have thanksgiving (US national holiday) so most people took off or were released for half a week from school
NAV HIV The Generals 151	Posted - 2012.11.22 14:52:00 - [27] - Quote FPS players have a hard time with politics, not bacause they dont understand it. They could care less. I hope that day never comes where we would need anyone, specially you (No offense) to represent us or be our voice. We respect each other and we like to settle things on the field. Win/Loss doesnt really matter as long as its fun and fair. If im not mistaken, if and when they activate "Friendly Fire" some election rules would change :) We have a hard time listening to our Clan/Corp leaders as it is. You think you can get all these FPS players to agree with you and follow you and support you? I doubt so, they'll end up team killing you in game if you annoy them long enough or just for the fun of it. The idea of having a fair, decent and trouble free elections in a FPS, amuses me. Its like saying COD, MAG, BF players and clans being together lol Each player, Clan/Corp will go against each other or may be even EVE players/ ships if possible, if anyone manages to **** them off to a certain point... We do not like controls, rules and regulations. One of the major reasons why we play FPS and If you really do want to run for election n all You have a lot to deal with my friend. If you havent noticed, We are a community, check the FB page, forums and so on... Do we really care about What other game forums, players from other games think of us? I dont think so. This is Dust... So let it be... Kind of getting annoyed by people crying over every single thing in this game, Tanks/DS/Missile/AR/AV... Now politics! If i wanted to play a non-shooter game i'd probably play EVE, WOW and so on... Dust is a good game and has the potential to become the best FPS in the future. But the focus should be "FPS"
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion 302	Posted - 2012.11.22 19:20:00 - [28] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: FPS players have a hard time with politics, not bacause they dont understand it. They could care less. I hope that day never comes where we would need anyone, specially you (No offense) to represent us or be our voice. We respect each other and we like to settle things on the field. Win/Loss doesnt really matter as long as its fun and fair. If im not mistaken, if and when they activate "Friendly Fire" some election rules would change :) We have a hard time listening to our Clan/Corp leaders as it is. You think you can get all these FPS players to agree with you and follow you and support you? I doubt so, they'll end up team killing you in game if you annoy them long enough or just for the fun of it. The idea of having a fair, decent and trouble free elections in a FPS, amuses me. Its like saying COD, MAG, BF players and clans being together lol Each player, Clan/Corp will go against each other or may be even EVE players/ ships if possible, if anyone manages to **** them off to a certain point... We do not like controls, rules and regulations. One of the major reasons why we play FPS and If you really do want to run for election n all You have a lot to deal with my friend. If you havent noticed, We are a community, check the FB page, forums and so on... Do we really care about What other game forums, players from other games think of us? I dont think so. This is Dust... So let it be... Kind of getting annoyed by people crying over every single thing in this game, Tanks/DS/Missile/AR/AV... Now politics! If i wanted to play a non-shooter game i'd probably play EVE, WOW and so on... Dust is a good game and has the potential to become the best FPS in the future. But the focus should be "FPS" I appreciate your point of view, and I realise what you're saying. However, we are not just another FPS out there. We are more than that. DUST is set to bring real win/loss to games with actual, earned ISK being used. Risk Vs. Reward. For the record, I rarely cried over the so called Overpowered things, I called for more content to be added (ie. Installations etc.) to balance out the conceived unbalances. I wanted to stop the rebalancing, and get more content before the next rebalance. (With the exception of Swarm Launch Pathing). In addition to this, DUST will be linked, cross platform to a huge complex game world that does have politics. We can exist in that game world without being represented? Maybe. But if you want DUST 514 to be recognized as more than a simple add-on or more than a simple FPS, then you need to aim for more. The game that I want is shown by CCPs 'Fututre Vision' Trailer, and even the Stating Trailer of DUST. A game off worlds interconnected. But this wont happen unless the game is given the same opportunities as EVE Online, representation in politics, allies, and yess skill at arms will come to it, but I rememebr hearing a quote, a long time ago (buggered if I can rememeber who said it) "Battles are won by those who fight, Campaigns by those who think, but nations live or die by the edge of a silver tongue." Like it or not, politics is a part of this game. As to the second point. Why not me? Fair enough I'm unknown to many, but even as you said. The FPS community has no (or little) interest in the politics of EVE. So why not let those that do want to represent the community do so? Saying the 'community' doesn't want representation is one thing, but I've talked to many who want a voice in the CSM. I've even talked to other possible candidates who want to run, who in turn have talked to others who want representation. The difference between them and me? I've come out and stated that I intend to run. Raising awareness that there is more to this game than running and shooting. I want to help guide this game to what most of the people I've talked to want it to be. An FPS that doesn't fizzle after a year. It doesn't get dropped and abandoned when something new and shiny comes along. I stand for the CSM to create an Enduring game and integrate this game into EVE Online so that it will not die out when the community 'moves on'. Sincerely, The Black Jackal
NAV HIV The Generals 151	Posted - 2012.11.23 00:36:00 - [29] - Quote I understand what you are saying bro... If you really want this to matter then let us create a Dust Council where every corp will have a representative. every group will have a say no matter what there playing styles are or policies are. not just one small group of people saying they are the "Leaders" and we are the followers. We would have our own meetings, discuss our own matters where every corp will be treated with respect. If EVE players want to be a part of that then they can elect someone or a group of people to sit in that council. Not the other way around... This is Dust, if they want to be a part of this then they should come to US, similarly we should have a voice in there side, as you have mentioned earlier. Just cause most of us dont play EVE doesnt mean that we do not understand it or have the capabilities of understanding it. We just prefer shooting someone in the face and enjoying that moment. You think FPS doesnt have politics, issues? You wouldnt think that way if you were a part of any major FPS clans or played games like MAG, SOCOM and so on. (I Know this isnt MAG, but this is the best thing after MAG was released) You are not the only one with concerns and visions for this game. All of us wouldnt put this much of effort and spend so much of our time and money on this if we didnt see the potential. Most of us dont prefer mindless shooters like COD where you can reach prestige level and wait for the next game to pop up. I know i am a MAG fan and its still alive after all these years. How? Dedicated players! You'd get votes if you choose DUST over EVE, or else you have no business representing DUST. If we have to choose someone to represent us, that person must be dedicated to DUST. Not have their legs in two boats. If you can do that, then i'd be the first one to vote for you.
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion 302	Posted - 2012.11.23 04:05:00 - [30] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: I understand what you are saying bro... If you really want this to matter then let us create a Dust Council where every corp will have a representative. every group will have a say no matter what there playing styles are or policies are. not just one small group of people saying they are the "Leaders" and we are the followers. We would have our own meetings, discuss our own matters where every corp will be treated with respect. If EVE players want to be a part of that then they can elect someone or a group of people to sit in that council. Not the other way around... This is Dust, if they want to be a part of this then they should come to US, similarly we should have a voice in there side, as you have mentioned earlier. Just cause most of us dont play EVE doesnt mean that we do not understand it or have the capabilities of understanding it. We just prefer shooting someone in the face and enjoying that moment. You think FPS doesnt have politics, issues? You wouldnt think that way if you were a part of any major FPS clans or played games like MAG, SOCOM and so on. (I Know this isnt MAG, but this is the best thing after MAG was released) You are not the only one with concerns and visions for this game. All of us wouldnt put this much of effort and spend so much of our time and money on this if we didnt see the potential. Most of us dont prefer mindless shooters like COD where you can reach prestige level and wait for the next game to pop up. I know i am a MAG fan and its still alive after all these years. How? Dedicated players! You'd get votes if you choose DUST over EVE, or else you have no business representing DUST. If we have to choose someone to represent us, that person must be dedicated to DUST. Not have their legs in two boats. If you can do that, then i'd be the first one to vote for you. I see you point on the DUST council, and I would love to see that happen, but there is a larger world beyond DUST. (Just noting, I play EVE, I love EVE, but it's DUST i'm leading a Corp in, it's DUST i'm choosing to represent, and it's DUST that I enjoy so much more than EVE.) Also, I never said you didn't have politics, nor that you didn't have the capabilities of understanding it. What I'm putting up is that we utilise existing infrastructure. Two councils debating the same thing cross game / platform is simply another barrier we would have to over come. However, including DUST in the current CSM would equal the playing field, and not allow one or the other council to 'be superior'. You say that you don't want to be ruled over, that is more likely to happen if we are not represented on the current CSM. The CSM, just on a note, is not the 'leaders' of EVE, or DUST for that matter... think of them as representations of what you want out of the game. Much akin to Senators in the Old Roman Empire (probably a bad analogy here, but I'll run with it). The CSM are Players, elected by Players, to put before the Developers and Managers of CCP the thoughts, ideas, and such that would help improve the game. Being on the CSM doesn't mean I would get to order you around, tell you what to do, it means that I would be able to work better on everyone's behalf to enhance your, mine, and even by extension, EVE Player''s games. It's up to CCP in the end to implement the changes put forth by the CSM.



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