true, but they don't listen to anything that is said in the feedbacks usually. so it's like working for an un-unionized company. say what you want, nothing will change unless it's beneficial for the guys making the money.

lets just use some up to date stuff to compare it to. COD black ops came in 2010, black-ops 2 just released 2012.

2 years.

2009-2012 = 3

this game is nothing compared to COD right now. the team sizes are about the same and COD has Virtually no lag.

this game is like playing a slideshow sometimes

also there are maps right now that DON'T WORK. memory leaks and whatnot.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=34744&find=unread

Ever bothered to read the sticky threads?

....How long has Call Of Duty as a whole been out now?...just saying...

but how many GREAT ideas have been brushed aside? like i said before they only listen if it really helps THEIR preconceived ideas for Dust instead of looking at something that might work better with their final product

CCP are not veterans to the fps industry. They are veterans of the mmo industry.

Belial, I deleted my previous post.

Also, don't forget that CCP is not as resourceful as the big name companies. I still run into hardcore gamers who never heard of CCP.

as just having started college for programming, i have a rough idea. but even still, larger groups of programmers = more code that is being made.

but burn me if you want.

THIS GAME IS STILL CRAP FOR HAVING BEEN WORKED ON SINCE 2009.

DUST IS A... BUST.


starting to totally agree with this idea. CORE STUFF IS STILL BROKEN. Black-ops 2 is better than this and THEY RECYCLED THE OLD ENGINE!

it's not just programmers.
They need designers, animators, concert artists, network programmers and PS3 developers.

They need to fix bugs in this build and add new content which will introduce MORE bugs.

when Dust was first announce in 2009 the Devs said it would connect with EVE online but such tech did not exist yet so they had to research it on their own.

Then came the trouble with Microsoft.......

Microsoft wanted the game to meet their standards with no regards for CCP's interest. Therefore the Xbox version was Canned.

They made a deal with Sony but had no idea how to develop games for PS3. so they had to learn.
They also had to learn how to use the Unreal engine 3 which takes time.

all this events would explain the 3 years of development.

bottom line is if you can't wait just leave.....
no one will miss you.....

no one will miss you.....

but how many GREAT ideas have been brushed aside? like i said before they only listen if it really helps THEIR preconceived ideas for Dust instead of looking at something that might work better with their final product

UPDATE THE GAME CCP! A MONTH OF CRAPDEX IS ENOUGH!

as just having started college for programming, i have a rough idea. but even still, larger groups of programmers = more code that is being made.

but they have vets from the FPS industry working on their mmo.

lets just use some up to date stuff to compare it to. COD black ops came in 2010, black-ops 2 just released 2012.

but how many GREAT ideas have been brushed aside? like i said before they only listen if it really helps THEIR preconceived ideas for Dust instead of looking at something that might work better with their final product

that is the thing after about being in the beta for 4 months i am still confused of what CCP concept is. they dont know whether they want to be a FPS or a RPG. they dont know if they want to use the PS3 controller or use a keyboard and mouse. they dont know whether they want large player counts or small player counts. they dont know if they want to be a add on to eve or a full independent game. Sometimes i dont even know if they wanted to make a PS3 game.

I know this sounds harsh but its what i feel at the moment and it makes me sad because i really wanted to play this game and was very excited when i got the accepted into the beta. at this point my best advice is to ditch the connection to eve because it is making tons of problems on game development and player relations. balance it, release it and then slowly work in eve if it needs it.

that is the thing after about being in the beta for 4 months i am still confused of what CCP concept is. they dont know whether they want to be a FPS or a RPG. they dont know if they want to use the PS3 controller or use a keyboard and mouse. they dont know whether they want large player counts or small player counts. they dont know if they want to be a add on to eve or a full independent game. Sometimes i dont even know if they wanted to make a PS3 game.

I know this sounds harsh but its what i feel at the moment and it makes me sad because i really wanted to play this game and was very excited when i got the accepted into the beta. at this point my best advice is to ditch the connection to eve because it is making tons of problems on game development and player relations. balance it, release it and then slowly work in eve if it needs it.

so are you ready for a reset aden? because this glitchy crap is not cutting the mustard these days. besides, they usually update every month and it's been a month and 15 days

No, the updates have been every 6 weeks like clockwork. It looks like we'll have this build a bit longer than the other ones, but this one will be the exception. By the way, did you happen to see one of the many threads I posted in where I mentioned that CCP Wolfman said they're redoing the entire hit detection system from scratch for the third time? Stop assuming listening=posting in every thread with complaints. If they did that they'd be as ****** at actually doing things as SOE is.

No, the updates have been every 6 weeks like clockwork. It looks like we'll have this build a bit longer than the other ones, but this one will be the exception. By the way, did you happen to see one of the many threads I posted in where I mentioned that CCP Wolfman said they're redoing the entire hit detection system from scratch for the third time? Stop assuming listening=posting in every thread with complaints. If they did that they'd be as ****** at actually doing things as SOE is.

supposedly they have been working on this game since 2009... so unless they wrote unreal engine 3 (which they did not) this game shouldn't be nearly this bad.

Don't forget the fact that the original Dust 514 was powered by CCP's in-house engine/architecture called CARBON which is the same thing that powers the avatar system in Eve Online and other functions. The reason that got switched over was because of the following:

1. The architecture was too advanced to be worked on so quickly.

2. The architecture is still relatively new even today since it was first introduced by CCP in 2009 during Fanfest.

3. The architecture caused some problems during 2010 when Incarna was released. Problems included, but not limited to, excessively slow loading times, poor optimization of the code leading to some graphics cards actually melting in players' computers, crashes or lock ups, etc.

4. Then came the Jita Riots of 2010 that caused a lot of corporate restructuring in CCP's office that resulted in the lay offs of over 100 people and Dust 514 ending up near the back burner of game development so that Eve Online can be properly iterated on.

UPDATE THE GAME CCP! A MONTH OF CRAPDEX IS ENOUGH!

Can someone help me decipher this complex argument?

I agree to some extent with this comment. So far, Dust 514 is a promising, rather loosely constructed shooter. It's not a bad one, by any means, but it's nothing revolutionary. Its only unique characteristic that we can actually see and use and test seems to be persistent and consumable loadouts, which in the current build admittedly don't seem that important.

I disagree that the connection to EVE should be ditched, but I wholeheartedly agree with the first paragraph - I don't understand the maps or the way they're balanced (they all seem to be outdoors and too big for the number of players), the controller works for most things but feels inaccurate, and the mouse and keyboard is awkward and uncomfortable and clearly integrated as a second thought (prompts cannot be changed to appear as keyboard inputs, so you have to memorize the list of contextual controls AND the simulated controls; also, control schemes cannot be altered, which largely defeats the purpose of a keyboard/mouse combo).

As far as the connection to EVE goes, I just don't know. Either they have internal forms of this connection working already and have fully modeled how they will interact but can't integrate it into the beta for some reason they aren't sharing, or they still haven't figured out how to set it up and have it work properly together.

We'll have to be patient, I suppose. What they talk about sounds like late beta for a revolutionary, AAA mmo, but what we see seems to be early beta for a simple sci-fi shooter. I'm digging through newsposts from the last month to see if there were major updates, but I haven't seen very many worth noting.

P.S.: I suspect that the game's farther along than we realize. I have a sneaking suspicion that we aren't beta-testing the whole game as it stands in development; we're being used as guinea pigs for little pieces of the game that are currently being scrutinized, largely related to weapon balance and battle flow.