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Reimus Klinsman BetaMax. 319	Posted - 2012.11.14 00:53:00 - [1] - Quote Has any devs acknoledged that the Codewish Duvolle Tacticle is going to be fixed. For one, its a prototype with advanced fitting requirements. Second, its scope isn't in line with other tacticles.
Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 206	Posted - 2012.11.14 03:01:00 - [2] - Quote first, the Codewish is SUPPOSED to be a proto gun w/ advanced req, that's how it's been the entire time. Proto aur guns are supposed to be proto stats but adv req
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2046	Posted - 2012.11.14 03:03:00 - [3] - Quote Berserker007 wrote: first, the Codewish is SUPPOSED to be a proto gun w/ advanced req, that's how it's been the entire time. Proto aur guns are supposed to be proto stats but adv req but the problem is that it's selective, not all guns have proyo aurum variants.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.11.14 03:10:00 - [4] - Quote Sleepy Zan wrote: Berserker007 wrote: first, the Codewish is SUPPOSED to be a proto gun w/ advanced req, that's how it's been the entire time. Proto aur guns are supposed to be proto stats but adv req but the problem is that it's selective, not all guns have proyo aurum variants. give the best gun in the game an AUR ver for half the fitting cost lol seems p2w to me :P tbh ive always had a problem with the proto AUR guns being HALF the cost of the ISK ver fitting wise
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.11.14 03:12:00 - [5] - Quote Codewish and a Proto HMG are the only AUR weapons in the game with stats a tier below their capabilities. The other Proto AUR weapons get the same benefit every other tier has - lower SKILL prerequisites and the Proto level fitting requirements.
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2046	Posted - 2012.11.14 03:13:00 - [6] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: Berserker007 wrote: first, the Codewish is SUPPOSED to be a proto gun w/ advanced req, that's how it's been the entire time. Proto aur guns are supposed to be proto stats but adv req but the problem is that it's selective, not all guns have proyo aurum variants. give the best gun in the game an AUR ver for half the fitting cost lol seems p2w to me :P tbh ive always had a problem with the proto AUR guns being HALF the cost of the ISK ver fitting wise yeah if things have proto aur variants then you can easily have your decked out aur proto badass compared to the isk proto guy sad because he has limitations and no money.
Captain-Awesome Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 349	Posted - 2012.11.14 03:36:00 - [7] - Quote am I t he only one to read the heading as "codfish testicle"??
Reimus Klinsman BetaMax. 319	Posted - 2012.11.14 06:27:00 - [8] - Quote Berserker007 wrote: first, the Codewish is SUPPOSED to be a proto gun w/ advanced req, that's how it's been the entire time. Proto aur guns are supposed to be proto stats but adv req Needs to be fixed. Too overpowered.
Ima Leet Imperfects Negative-Feedback 321	Posted - 2012.11.14 06:49:00 - [9] - Quote what if AUR items cost +/- 5 CPU/PG considering that you do get it before having the skill for it
Tectonious Falcon The Southern Legion 395	Posted - 2012.11.14 07:00:00 - [10] - Quote Berserker007 wrote: first, the Codewish is SUPPOSED to be a proto gun w/ advanced req, that's how it's been the entire time. Proto aur guns are supposed to be proto stats but adv req As far as I know, AUR proto level weapons are supposed to have the same stats as a proto weapon, the same fitting requirements as a proto weapon, but only require the sp investment of an advanced level weapon. Currently the codewish has the stats of a proto, the fitting requirements of an advanced, and the sp investment of a non specialised proto weapon. However I may be wrong on this matter

KripnawtiQ Prime L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 206	Posted - 2012.11.14 07:37:00 - [11] - Quote Most, if not all of the AUR items in the game that feature improved stats with a lower skill requirement have a significantly higher CPU usage. In some cases its double the usage of the ISK equivalent. So it isnt like there arent drawbacks. The player that uses a 'killswitch' or a 'codewish' has to sacrifice their fitting in other areas in order to keep a valid fit.
Tectonious Falcon The Southern Legion 395	Posted - 2012.11.14 07:43:00 - [12] - Quote KripnawtiQ Prime wrote: Most, if not all of the AUR items in the game that feature improved stats with a lower skill requirement have a significantly higher CPU usage. In some cases its double the usage of the ISK equivalent. So it isnt like there arent drawbacks. The player that uses a 'killswitch' or a 'codewish' has to sacrifice their fitting in other areas in order to keep a valid fit. But that's the problem. I'm pretty sure the codewish doesn't have the higher fitting requirements. Again I might be wrong as I'm not currently in game to check
KripnawtiQ Prime L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 206	Posted - 2012.11.14 07:57:00 - [13] - Quote Tectonious Falcon wrote: KripnawtiQ Prime wrote: Most, if not all of the AUR items in the game that feature improved stats with a lower skill requirement have a significantly higher CPU usage. In some cases its double the usage of the ISK equivalent. So it isnt like there arent drawbacks. The player that uses a 'killswitch' or a 'codewish' has to sacrifice their fitting in other areas in order to keep a valid fit. But that's the problem. I'm pretty sure the codewish doesn't have the higher fitting requirements. Again I might be wrong as I'm not currently in game to check I'm at work so I can't check either and I've not used the codewish. If u are right about the CPU requirement then perhaps it does need some attention.
Daddrobit Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 277	Posted - 2012.11.14 08:08:00 - [14] - Quote KripnawtiQ Prime wrote: Most, if not all of the AUR items in the game that feature improved stats with a lower skill requirement have a significantly higher CPU usage. In some cases its double the usage of the ISK equivalent. So it isnt like there arent drawbacks. The player that uses a 'killswitch' or a 'codewish' has to sacrifice their fitting in other areas in order to keep a valid fit. Nope, the codefish has the cpu/pg usage of only nearly half that of the isk variant. So you get a proto weapon, for less sp investment, and get to fit your dropsuit with better modules than if you had the isk variant on top of it.
KripnawtiQ Prime L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 206	Posted - 2012.11.14 08:27:00 - [15] - Quote Daddrobit wrote: KripnawtiQ Prime wrote: Most, if not all of the AUR items in the game that feature improved stats with a lower skill requirement have a significantly higher CPU usage. In some cases its double the usage of the ISK equivalent. So it isnt like there arent drawbacks. The player that uses a 'killswitch' or a 'codewish' has to sacrifice their fitting in other areas in order to keep a valid fit. Nope, the codefish has the cpu/pg usage of only nearly half that of the isk variant. So you get a proto weapon, for less sp investment, and get to fit your dropsuit with better modules than if you had the isk variant on top of it. Im suprised nobody said something sooner. WTF!
R F Gyro ZionTCD Legacy Rising 315	Posted - 2012.11.14 08:30:00 - [16] - Quote Simple question: is it possible to build a suit fitting using Aurum that is better than can be built using just ISK? If so, that is pay-to-win and needs to be fixed. I believe the OP is stating that this is the case with this weapon.
KingBabar Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 442	Posted - 2012.11.14 08:36:00 - [17] - Quote Berserker007 wrote: first, the Codewish is SUPPOSED to be a proto gun w/ advanced req, that's how it's been the entire time. Proto aur guns are supposed to be proto stats but adv req Like the Stormside right? They removed that for good reasons, even though I liked it a lot and were very cross when they did, I can totally see why that was a good call. In other words, if they keep the obviously OP Codewish, they should bring the Stormside back...
Drommy Hood Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 242	Posted - 2012.11.14 08:38:00 - [18] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: Berserker007 wrote: first, the Codewish is SUPPOSED to be a proto gun w/ advanced req, that's how it's been the entire time. Proto aur guns are supposed to be proto stats but adv req but the problem is that it's selective, not all guns have proyo aurum variants. give the best gun in the game an AUR ver for half the fitting cost lol seems p2w to me :P tbh ive always had a problem with the proto AUR guns being HALF the cost of the ISK ver fitting wise The one that have that feature that are aur though normally have a downside, ie decreased fitting but lower mag/ammo storage
KripnawtiQ Prime L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 206	Posted - 2012.11.14 09:12:00 - [19] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: Simple question: is it possible to build a suit fitting using Aurum that is better than can be built using just ISK? If so, that is pay-to-win and needs to be fixed. I believe the OP is stating that this is the case with this weapon. Deffinately not. Especially if you count salvage. Some of the best gear in the game cant be bought period...at least for now anyway.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.11.14 09:27:00 - [20] - Quote Highest DPS assault rifle in the game has the same fitting req as a gek38. Pay2win. But yes, they should sort out the scoped sensitivity. It's crazy.

Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 192	Posted - 2012.11.14 11:54:00 - [21] - Quote Blatantly P2Win and needs it's requirements increasing for sure as do any other weapons like this. I have no issue with Aurum variants being earlier unlocks, but things like this throw the game totally off balance and everyone will be crying Pay 2 win and rightly so tbh. I spotted this the other day looking through the AR's as I don't use the top level one, (being primarily a HAV driver). When I ask a corp mate he said it's been like that for a few builds now and that's how it should be. I was pretty shocked tbh, it's almost as pay to win as the Thukker grenades last build. It's requirements alone make it ridiculous.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.11.14 12:12:00 - [22] - Quote Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg wrote: Blatantly P2Win and needs it's requirements increasing for sure as do any other weapons like this. I have no issue with Aurum variants being earlier unlocks, but things like this throw the game totally off balance and everyone will be crying Pay 2 win and rightly so tbh. I spotted this the other day looking through the AR's as I don't use the top level one, (being primarily a HAV driver). When I ask a corp mate he said it's been like that for a few builds now and that's how it should be. I was pretty shocked tbh, it's almost as pay to win as the Thukker grenades last build. It's requirements alone make it ridiculous. yup its been like this for a long time personally was never a fan of it its even more a problem now that the breach was nerfed heavily now u got as tony said the highest DPS AR for the same fitting as a GEK-38
Overlord Zero Doomheim 75	Posted - 2012.11.14 12:13:00 - [23] - Quote How about you put this in "feedback" so something might actually get done about it? I do agree wholeheartedly that it should be fixed, I'm merely pointing out that this is the wrong place to talk about it if you want something done about it.
Natu Nobilis Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2012.11.14 12:28:00 - [24] - Quote People people. If something is broken they-¦ll fix it as soon as they know it-¦s broken and are able to. No need to scream "OHMIGOD P2W" for every little inbalance that may appear. They already told that-¦s not their plan, and the forums and support mail are the tools to inform it. Simple as that, no end of the world. Have fun.
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 208	Posted - 2012.11.14 12:52:00 - [25] - Quote Natu Nobilis wrote: People people. If something is broken they-¦ll fix it as soon as they know it-¦s broken and are able to. No need to scream "OHMIGOD P2W" for every little inbalance that may appear. They already told that-¦s not their plan, and the forums and support mail are the tools to inform it. Simple as that, no end of the world. Have fun. Nobody here is screaming, it's a general discussion (on the forum, one of your "tools to inform") that now seems to have come to the conclusion that this weapon represents a fairly clear P2W situation that needs bringing to the attention of CCP as they seem to have overlooked it when they removed the other AUR proto damage for advanced fitting requirements a couple of builds ago. I think there is a Heavy weapon that fits the same scenario, HMG or Forge I forget, I'll check when I get home and make sure both are in the feedback section and emailed to support.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.11.14 13:09:00 - [26] - Quote KripnawtiQ Prime wrote: R F Gyro wrote: Simple question: is it possible to build a suit fitting using Aurum that is better than can be built using just ISK? If so, that is pay-to-win and needs to be fixed. I believe the OP is stating that this is the case with this weapon. Deffinately not. Especially if you count salvage. Some of the best gear in the game cant be bought period...at least for now anyway. If you only count ISK-purchased gear, the Codewish allows better fittings than any other AR with equivalent capabilities. The same goes for the AUR Proto HMG that has the same advantage. There are, at present, only 2 weapons you can buy in ANY way with fitting requirements from the tier below their capabilities, and both ALSO get all the same benefits as other AUR weapons with the appropriate fitting requirements. Codewish and that HMG (I'll probably look the name up later) both also have the advanced-level skill prerequisites instead of Proto. If you take salvage gear into account, and/or the player-driven market that's coming SOONGäó, then no, it's not pay-to-win, because those items WILL be on the market and available for ISK as well. But for now, yes, it's an imbalance when you're considering AUR purchases vs. ISK purchases.
KripnawtiQ Prime L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 206	Posted - 2012.11.14 13:45:00 - [27] - Quote KripnawtiQ Prime wrote: R F Gyro wrote: Simple question: is it possible to build a suit fitting using Aurum that is better than can be built using just ISK? If so, that is pay-to-win and needs to be fixed. I believe the OP is stating that this is the case with this weapon. Deffinately not. Especially if you count salvage. Some of the best gear in the game cant be bought period...at least for now anyway. I was primarily referring to the Gar 21. IDK the exact stats on it but I know its salvage only and it has a rediculous combo of ROF and damage.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.11.14 16:43:00 - [28] - Quote So apparently this post says the issue with the incorrectly-registered PG/CPU stats on the Broadside HMG (the one I couldn't remember the name of) are known to be incorrect, and will be getting corrected. I've just posted in response to that asking if they're aware the exact same issue is in place on the Codewish. We have (semi) official acknowledgement of the problem, but only for one of the weapons where it's an issue... and not the one where it's more likely to be problematic.
Ludwig Van Beatdropin Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 195	Posted - 2012.11.14 17:27:00 - [29] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: Highest DPS assault rifle in the game has the same fitting req as a gek38. Pay2win. But yes, they should sort out the scoped sensitivity. It's crazy. Um why are you still participating In the forums? I thought Blacks Ops 2 was "chuffing great"? Apparently not If your still In the Dust forums. Just saying....
Reimus Klinsman BetaMax. 319	Posted - 2012.11.14 18:07:00 - [30] - Quote KripnawtiQ Prime wrote: R F Gyro wrote: Simple question: is it possible to build a suit fitting using Aurum that is better than can be built using just ISK? If so, that is pay-to-win and needs to be fixed. I believe the OP is stating that this is the case with this weapon. Deffinately not. Especially if you count salvage. Some of the best gear in the game cant be bought period...at least for now anyway. Actually with just the codewish tacticle I have an advanced suit that has aPrototype Tacticle Assault rifle (For aurum. Fitting requirements of the advanced) and 3x prototype light damage mods. The fitting is absolute murder on anyone I face. I've been able to kill most people in 3 or 4 shots. IF the codewish had the prototype fitting requirements it should, I could only fit on 1 or 2 proto damage mods. So yeah, right there its definitely pay to win. There's no other way to get the fit without the aurum item.



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