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Berserker007 wrote:

Mavado V Noriega wrote:

Berserker007 wrote:

If u look across the board most aur proto guns have the cpu/pg req for adv guns except 2 (which i think is wrong). Reason for this i believe, is that you unlock adv aur items at lv3/lv4 which have proto stats, so need some benefit to using proto aur items. As if the req for proto items is the same as isk, why would i waist real money on something if there isnt a benefit to it?

thats the very definition of p2w lol
half the cost of proto is too much
make it 3/4 of the cost of proto and it wont be so blatantly OP on a fitting + u also need to add the other proto AUR guns back
There is no stormside anymore and no BAR that costs half

if ur adding in AUR variants make it for EVERY variation of gun/dropsuit u have
Proto AUR guns need to be 3/4 fitting cost of proto gear not half aka adv fitting that **** is ridiculous

Oh i agree w/ u that the fitting is to low, just saying there should be a benefit. like getting to using adv aur guns; its benefit is using them before the isk variants


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Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.11.14 03:12:00 - [1] - Quote Codewish and a Proto HMG are the only AUR weapons in the game with stats a tier below their capabilities. The other Proto AUR weapons get the same benefit every other tier has - lower SKILL prerequisites and the Proto level fitting requirements.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.11.14 13:09:00 - [2] - Quote KripnawtiQ Prime wrote: R F Gyro wrote: Simple question: is it possible to build a suit fitting using Aurum that is better than can be built using just ISK? If so, that is pay-to-win and needs to be fixed. I believe the OP is stating that this is the case with this weapon. Deffinately not. Especially if you count salvage. Some of the best gear in the game cant be bought period...at least for now anyway. If you only count ISK-purchased gear, the Codewish allows better fittings than any other AR with equivalent capabilities. The same goes for the AUR Proto HMG that has the same advantage. There are, at present, only 2 weapons you can buy in ANY way with fitting requirements from the tier below their capabilities, and both ALSO get all the same benefits as other AUR weapons with the appropriate fitting requirements. Codewish and that HMG (I'll probably look the name up later) both also have the advanced-level skill prerequisites instead of Proto. If you take salvage gear into account, and/or the player-driven market that's coming SOONGäó, then no, it's not pay-to-win, because those items WILL be on the market and available for ISK as well. But for now, yes, it's an imbalance when you're considering AUR purchases vs. ISK purchases.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.11.14 16:43:00 - [3] - Quote So apparently this post says the issue with the incorrectly-registered PG/CPU stats on the Broadside HMG (the one I couldn't remember the name of) are known to be incorrect, and will be getting corrected. I've just posted in response to that asking if they're aware the exact same issue is in place on the Codewish. We have (semi) official acknowledgement of the problem, but only for one of the weapons where it's an issue... and not the one where it's more likely to be problematic.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.11.18 00:04:00 - [4] - Quote Berserker007 wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: Berserker007 wrote: If u look across the board most aur proto guns have the cpu/pg req for adv guns except 2 (which i think is wrong). Reason for this i believe, is that you unlock adv aur items at lv3/lv4 which have proto stats, so need some benefit to using proto aur items. As if the req for proto items is the same as isk, why would i waist real money on something if there isnt a benefit to it? thats the very definition of p2w lol half the cost of proto is too much make it 3/4 of the cost of proto and it wont be so blatantly OP on a fitting + u also need to add the other proto AUR guns back There is no stormside anymore and no BAR that costs half if ur adding in AUR variants make it for EVERY variation of gun/dropsuit u have Proto AUR guns need to be 3/4 fitting cost of proto gear not half aka adv fitting that **** is ridiculous Oh i agree w/ u that the fitting is to low, just saying there should be a benefit. like getting to using adv aur guns; its benefit is using them before the isk variants AUR guns that operate on advanced prerequisites are Proto-quality weapons, with Proto-level fitting requirements. Proto AUR guns should be like AUR Dropsuits, imo. Give us NEW PAINTJOBS.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.11.18 00:45:00 - [5] - Quote Reimus Klinsman wrote: Okay, so thus far we have 3 known items that need to be fixed. And an unoffcial acknowledgement of one of them being a known issue.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.11.18 15:19:00 - [6] - Quote Needless Sacermendor wrote: Drommy Hood wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Codewish and a Proto HMG are the only AUR weapons in the game with stats a tier below their capabilities. The other Proto AUR weapons get the same benefit every other tier has - lower SKILL prerequisites and the Proto level fitting requirements. This The other proto AUR weapons he's talking about aren't proto ... they are advanced weapons ... but they have the damage and fitting requirements of the proto. These are simply early unlocks of the proto spec which is fine ... but the AR, HMG and Shield Regenerator have proto skill level AUR items that are an advantage over the isk proto level items and should be removed like most of the others have already been. If anyone knows of any others post it here so we can compile a complete list of items that missed the last wave of removals. They're the equivalent to prototype ISK weapons. They specifically refer to being more accessible versions of prototype technology in their descriptions. That's what I meant when I said Proto. The tech is Proto, the meta level is Proto, and for every weapon with AUR versions except for those two, the Proto equivalent weapons have Proto equivalent fitting requirements, and only drop back to Advanced skill prerequisites. They're exceptions to the rule, several such weapons have been removed because of the same "problem" and one of the weapons in this case has also been mentioned as a mistake that needs to be fixed.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.11.18 20:20:00 - [7] - Quote Needless Sacermendor wrote: Yeah I'm sure we're on the same page ... just that they're listed on the market with the advanced weapons due to the skill requirements. To be perfectly honest I'm just trying to keep this thread prominent so that CCP see it and include the HMG and Shield Regenerator in the 'needs to be fixed' list. I'm sure we're on the same page too... ...including our reasons for continuing to reply to one another.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.11.19 15:08:00 - [8] - Quote Needless Sacermendor wrote: Lol, but I know I'm right ... which means you must be wrong (or possibly right aswell) ;-) We were just approaching the same conclusion from different directions, and it took a while to figure out that we agreed.