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Garrett Blacknova wrote:

Needless Sacermendor wrote:

Drommy Hood wrote:

Garrett Blacknova wrote:

Codewish and a Proto HMG are the only AUR weapons in the game with stats a tier below their capabilities.

The other Proto AUR weapons get the same benefit every other tier has - lower SKILL prerequisites and the Proto level fitting requirements.

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The other proto AUR weapons he's talking about aren't proto ... they are advanced weapons ... but they have the damage and fitting requirements of the proto.

These are simply early unlocks of the proto spec which is fine ... but the AR, HMG and Shield Regenerator have proto skill level AUR items that are an advantage over the isk proto level items and should be removed like most of the others have already been.

If anyone knows of any others post it here so we can compile a complete list of items that missed the last wave of removals.

They're the equivalent to prototype ISK weapons.

They specifically refer to being more accessible versions of prototype technology in their descriptions.

That's what I meant when I said Proto. The tech is Proto, the meta level is Proto, and for every weapon with AUR versions except for those two, the Proto equivalent weapons have Proto equivalent fitting requirements, and only drop back to Advanced skill prerequisites.

They're exceptions to the rule, several such weapons have been removed because of the same "problem" and one of the weapons in this case has also been mentioned as a mistake that needs to be fixed.

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Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 208	Posted - 2012.11.17 19:45:00 - [31] - Quote Bumping this up for it's prominence. And also adding a Shield module to the list ... The 'Tether' Complex Shield Regulator is an AUR item with reduced fitting requirements allowing for a better fitting than its isk equivalent. It does require an extra skill level, but it makes no difference to the fact you can make a better fitting by paying for AUR.
Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 206	Posted - 2012.11.17 19:54:00 - [32] - Quote If u look across the board most aur proto guns have the cpu/pg req for adv guns except 2 (which i think is wrong). Reason for this i believe, is that you unlock adv aur items at lv3/lv4 which have proto stats, so need some benefit to using proto aur items. As if the req for proto items is the same as isk, why would i waist real money on something if there isnt a benefit to it?
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.11.17 20:26:00 - [33] - Quote Berserker007 wrote: If u look across the board most aur proto guns have the cpu/pg req for adv guns except 2 (which i think is wrong). Reason for this i believe, is that you unlock adv aur items at lv3/lv4 which have proto stats, so need some benefit to using proto aur items. As if the req for proto items is the same as isk, why would i waist real money on something if there isnt a benefit to it? thats the very definition of p2w lol half the cost of proto is too much make it 3/4 of the cost of proto and it wont be so blatantly OP on a fitting + u also need to add the other proto AUR guns back There is no stormside anymore and no BAR that costs half if ur adding in AUR variants make it for EVERY variation of gun/dropsuit u have Proto AUR guns need to be 3/4 fitting cost of proto gear not half aka adv fitting that **** is ridiculous
Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 206	Posted - 2012.11.17 20:30:00 - [34] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: Berserker007 wrote: If u look across the board most aur proto guns have the cpu/pg req for adv guns except 2 (which i think is wrong). Reason for this i believe, is that you unlock adv aur items at lv3/lv4 which have proto stats, so need some benefit to using proto aur items. As if the req for proto items is the same as isk, why would i waist real money on something if there isnt a benefit to it? thats the very definition of p2w lol half the cost of proto is too much make it 3/4 of the cost of proto and it wont be so blatantly OP on a fitting + u also need to add the other proto AUR guns back There is no stormside anymore and no BAR that costs half if ur adding in AUR variants make it for EVERY variation of gun/dropsuit u have Proto AUR guns need to be 3/4 fitting cost of proto gear not half aka adv fitting that **** is ridiculous Oh i agree w/ u that the fitting is to low, just saying there should be a benefit. like getting to using adv aur guns; its benefit is using them before the isk variants
IK0 Golden Blade 3	Posted - 2012.11.17 20:35:00 - [35] - Quote Haven't seen a p2w thread in a while
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.11.18 00:04:00 - [36] - Quote Berserker007 wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: Berserker007 wrote: If u look across the board most aur proto guns have the cpu/pg req for adv guns except 2 (which i think is wrong). Reason for this i believe, is that you unlock adv aur items at lv3/lv4 which have proto stats, so need some benefit to using proto aur items. As if the req for proto items is the same as isk, why would i waist real money on something if there isnt a benefit to it? thats the very definition of p2w lol half the cost of proto is too much make it 3/4 of the cost of proto and it wont be so blatantly OP on a fitting + u also need to add the other proto AUR guns back There is no stormside anymore and no BAR that costs half if ur adding in AUR variants make it for EVERY variation of gun/dropsuit u have Proto AUR guns need to be 3/4 fitting cost of proto gear not half aka adv fitting that **** is ridiculous Oh i agree w/ u that the fitting is to low, just saying there should be a benefit. like getting to using adv aur guns; its benefit is using them before the isk variants AUR guns that operate on advanced prerequisites are Proto-quality weapons, with Proto-level fitting requirements. Proto AUR guns should be like AUR Dropsuits, imo. Give us NEW PAINTJOBS.
Reimus Klinsman BetaMax. 319	Posted - 2012.11.18 00:20:00 - [37] - Quote If AUR items are going to be different than ISK varients, they need to be side grades like CCP say they are. They shouldn't be better. They should be different. If you don't like them. You don't need to buy them. Okay, so thus far we have 3 known items that need to be fixed.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.11.18 00:45:00 - [38] - Quote Reimus Klinsman wrote: Okay, so thus far we have 3 known items that need to be fixed. And an unoffcial acknowledgement of one of them being a known issue.
Volgair Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 200	Posted - 2012.11.18 06:10:00 - [39] - Quote this weapon is broken and it has a lot less to do with the fitting requirements and a lot more to do with the fact that far too many folks are running with turbo controllers and using it to match pace with the fire rate its automatic counter part. example of how you can tell, an "^" represents a shot fired, a "-" represents a space with out fire. practiced player using a TAC AR ^-^-^---^-^-^-^----^-^-^--^---^-^ notice the gaps during aim correction a player using a TAC AR with modified controller will fire shots down range with mechanical precision and regularity with no spontaneous gap in fire time or pause to correct for errors in aim. ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^- This wouldn't be so damn infuriating if they at least tried to hide the cheating by at a minimum pulsing the fire button... saw a team mate fire 60 straight rounds without missing a beat, try that right here right now. tap your finger on the table and see if you can do it 60 times without a deviation. my guess is you can, but could not recreate that precision with a standard DS3 controller for a full 15 minute match. if you listen you can tell, its not hard to discern who is cheating and not every kill on the board with these weapons are from a cheater. but it is an unintended, unfair advantage. and an advantage now being applied to Scrambler pistols as well.
Drommy Hood Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 242	Posted - 2012.11.18 10:12:00 - [40] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Codewish and a Proto HMG are the only AUR weapons in the game with stats a tier below their capabilities. The other Proto AUR weapons get the same benefit every other tier has - lower SKILL prerequisites and the Proto level fitting requirements. This

Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 208	Posted - 2012.11.18 15:11:00 - [41] - Quote Drommy Hood wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Codewish and a Proto HMG are the only AUR weapons in the game with stats a tier below their capabilities. The other Proto AUR weapons get the same benefit every other tier has - lower SKILL prerequisites and the Proto level fitting requirements. This The other proto AUR weapons he's talking about aren't proto ... they are advanced weapons ... but they have the damage and fitting requirements of the proto. These are simply early unlocks of the proto spec which is fine ... but the AR, HMG and Shield Regenerator have proto skill level AUR items that are an advantage over the isk proto level items and should be removed like most of the others have already been. If anyone knows of any others post it here so we can compile a complete list of items that missed the last wave of removals.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.11.18 15:19:00 - [42] - Quote Needless Sacermendor wrote: Drommy Hood wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Codewish and a Proto HMG are the only AUR weapons in the game with stats a tier below their capabilities. The other Proto AUR weapons get the same benefit every other tier has - lower SKILL prerequisites and the Proto level fitting requirements. This The other proto AUR weapons he's talking about aren't proto ... they are advanced weapons ... but they have the damage and fitting requirements of the proto. These are simply early unlocks of the proto spec which is fine ... but the AR, HMG and Shield Regenerator have proto skill level AUR items that are an advantage over the isk proto level items and should be removed like most of the others have already been. If anyone knows of any others post it here so we can compile a complete list of items that missed the last wave of removals. They're the equivalent to prototype ISK weapons. They specifically refer to being more accessible versions of prototype technology in their descriptions. That's what I meant when I said Proto. The tech is Proto, the meta level is Proto, and for every weapon with AUR versions except for those two, the Proto equivalent weapons have Proto equivalent fitting requirements, and only drop back to Advanced skill prerequisites. They're exceptions to the rule, several such weapons have been removed because of the same "problem" and one of the weapons in this case has also been mentioned as a mistake that needs to be fixed.
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 208	Posted - 2012.11.18 19:48:00 - [43] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Needless Sacermendor wrote: Drommy Hood wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Codewish and a Proto HMG are the only AUR weapons in the game with stats a tier below their capabilities. The other Proto AUR weapons get the same benefit every other tier has - lower SKILL prerequisites and the Proto level fitting requirements. This The other proto AUR weapons he's talking about aren't proto ... they are advanced weapons ... but they have the damage and fitting requirements of the proto. These are simply early unlocks of the proto spec which is fine ... but the AR, HMG and Shield Regenerator have proto skill level AUR items that are an advantage over the isk proto level items and should be removed like most of the others have already been. If anyone knows of any others post it here so we can compile a complete list of items that missed the last wave of removals. They're the equivalent to prototype ISK weapons. They specifically refer to being more accessible versions of prototype technology in their descriptions. That's what I meant when I said Proto. The tech is Proto, the meta level is Proto, and for every weapon with AUR versions except for those two, the Proto equivalent weapons have Proto equivalent fitting requirements, and only drop back to Advanced skill prerequisites. They're exceptions to the rule, several such weapons have been removed because of the same "problem" and one of the weapons in this case has also been mentioned as a mistake that needs to be fixed. Yeah I'm sure we're on the same page ... just that they're listed on the market with the advanced weapons due to the skill requirements. To be perfectly honest I'm just trying to keep this thread prominent so that CCP see it and include the HMG and Shield Regenerator in the 'needs to be fixed' list.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.11.18 20:20:00 - [44] - Quote Needless Sacermendor wrote: Yeah I'm sure we're on the same page ... just that they're listed on the market with the advanced weapons due to the skill requirements. To be perfectly honest I'm just trying to keep this thread prominent so that CCP see it and include the HMG and Shield Regenerator in the 'needs to be fixed' list. I'm sure we're on the same page too... ...including our reasons for continuing to reply to one another.
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 208	Posted - 2012.11.19 12:50:00 - [45] - Quote Lol, but I know I'm right ... which means you must be wrong (or possibly right aswell) ;-)
DJINN S Quinn Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 21	Posted - 2012.11.19 13:02:00 - [46] - Quote Captain-Awesome wrote: am I t he only one to read the heading as "codfish testicle"?? I don't want to say "me too!" but.... ßâÜ(¦üGùëGùPa¦¬GùƒGùëGÇ¦ßâÜ) yeaaahhhhhh
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.11.19 15:08:00 - [47] - Quote Needless Sacermendor wrote: Lol, but I know I'm right ... which means you must be wrong (or possibly right aswell) ;-) We were just approaching the same conclusion from different directions, and it took a while to figure out that we agreed.
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 208	Posted - 2012.11.19 19:04:00 - [48] - Quote CCP ... please let us know you've read this and are at least considering adding these 2 items to the chopping board. Or just add them to the weekly updates thread as being looked into or something.


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