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Kris Schnell Kinsho Swords Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.11.13 18:14:00 - [1] - Quote I've put some thougth into an idea of how the gameplay of Dust 514 in relation to Eve should be. We all should be familiar with Goonswarm and how in 2007 they came together and claimed most of the land for their own free will. Its also come to my attention between me and my friends who play eve that Goonswarm can not fall even if everyone in the game tried to attack them at once. Knowing this I would like to suggest that if in Dust 514 you can 'own' planets for your corporation / alliance then I'd like to say let there be a percentage cap (25%) that an corporation / alliance can own out of all the planets in the game. Or Dont allow corporations / alliances to 'own' planets. Hopefully there will be at least one person out there that will agree with me on this one, ive also emailed this to the support email becuase i feel that this is kinda important and should be known be more people so we dont have a Goonswarm invasion of this game.
Free Beers Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1041	Posted - 2012.11.13 18:22:00 - [2] - Quote They already said we will be able to own planets and have stated as much everytime asked. How many and who owns them ccp doesn't care. /thread
ugg reset ZionTCD Legacy Rising 234	Posted - 2012.11.13 18:32:00 - [3] - Quote how would subdivisions prevent people from working together? Instead on one big monster we will have a hoard of little monsters working togeather. I'm here to play in a space sand box not to kitten and moan about politice. as for your second idea, I've got the perfect game for you.
Onar Kion Dark Horizon Industries 26	Posted - 2012.11.13 18:33:00 - [4] - Quote I really don't think there is anything to be done here. Other then not letting anyone own planets. CCP wants players stories. Look leader of Goonswarm was banned but is back. Let go from the player governing body, but now leads it again. Admited that it wasn't hard to get back leading it. And to basically fix the election. CCP doesn't seem to have a problem with any of these things. :/
Vallud Eadesso Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 63	Posted - 2012.11.13 18:57:00 - [5] - Quote Kris Schnell wrote: I've put some thougth into an idea of how the gameplay of Dust 514 in relation to Eve should be. We all should be familiar with Goonswarm and how in 2007 they came together and claimed most of the land for their own free will. Its also come to my attention between me and my friends who play eve that Goonswarm can not fall even if everyone in the game tried to attack them at once. Knowing this I would like to suggest that if in Dust 514 you can 'own' planets for your corporation / alliance then I'd like to say let there be a percentage cap (25%) that an corporation / alliance can own out of all the planets in the game. Or Dont allow corporations / alliances to 'own' planets. Hopefully there will be at least one person out there that will agree with me on this one, ive also emailed this to the support email becuase i feel that this is kinda important and should be known be more people so we dont have a Goonswarm invasion of this game. I have to say, as much as I roll my eyes at Goonswam's antics (And occasionally chuckle, come on, some of the stuff they do CAN be funny, like Burn Jita) you can't stop them or anyone else owning their own space. It's part of the game, DUST is more like an expansion to EVE, not a stand alone product.
Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 902	Posted - 2012.11.13 18:59:00 - [6] - Quote Firstly, goons don't own all of space. Secondly, they use numbers to win fights, not necessarily skill.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.11.13 19:06:00 - [7] - Quote Free Beers wrote: They already said we will be able to own planets and have stated as much everytime asked. How many and who owns them ccp doesn't care. /thread +1 for my nullsec neighbour
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.11.13 19:07:00 - [8] - Quote It could be that the introduction of DUST will allow corps to hire DUST mercs and break the control of Goonswarm over parts of a system. It might be that Goonswarm manage enough of a hold in DUST that it only reinforces their control of things. It depends on CCP, Goonswarm, and the non-Goon DUST players. All of us have to just play our parts and see what happens.
Edu Ashbourne Doomheim 54	Posted - 2012.11.13 19:23:00 - [9] - Quote I doubt you'll see a massive goon invasion any time soon. You have to keep in mind that: A: Not everybody owns a PS3 or has any desire to buy one. B: Fewer still have a positive opinion of Dust and it's chances of success. Maybe once it's live and gets some numbers, Goons and the like would have some incentive to join in. Right now though, it's a bit of a minority
Cortez The Killer Immobile Infantry 190	Posted - 2012.11.13 19:56:00 - [10] - Quote This was good for a chuckle. I have an analogy that might help. We all have seen matches here in Dust where two Q-synched organized squads (on comms) mop the floor against a whole bunch of randoms. Magnify that by 10k. CFC and HBC are the organized squads, everyone else are the dots all running around with their heads cut off screaming "NERF IT, NERF IT NAO". We play with the same mechanics, and can fall by the same mechanics. The trouble is that all those randoms don't organize into a cohesive team. Moral of the story: Don't screw up everyones game just because you can't get organized.

Necandi Brasil Conspiratus Immortalis 245	Posted - 2012.11.13 20:01:00 - [11] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: It could be that the introduction of DUST will allow corps to hire DUST mercs and break the control of Goonswarm over parts of a system. It might be that Goonswarm manage enough of a hold in DUST that it only reinforces their control of things. It depends on CCP, Goonswarm, and the non-Goon DUST players. All of us have to just play our parts and see what happens. Maybe someday mercs in DUST 514 can claim the defeat of goonswarm .... I mean, even the roman empire fell... EDIT: Absurd English mistake
Sylwester Dziewiecki Doomheim 83	Posted - 2012.11.13 20:26:00 - [12] - Quote OP is a goon, ignore him..
Onar Kion Dark Horizon Industries 26	Posted - 2012.11.13 20:35:00 - [13] - Quote Quote: I mean, even the roman empire felt... What did they feel.....?
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.11.13 20:35:00 - [14] - Quote I don't see this scenario as a problem, and I think we should be able to own planets without limit, though there could be a mechanic making it harder to maintain control of planets the more planets you have.
Cortez The Killer Immobile Infantry 190	Posted - 2012.11.13 20:43:00 - [15] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I don't see this scenario as a problem, and I think we should be able to own planets without limit, though there could be a mechanic making it harder to maintain control of planets the more planets you have. There is. It comes with your logistical supply chains, offensive, and defensive assets being stretched too thin. Spread too far and your flanks become weak.
Katarina Volkanov 0	Posted - 2012.11.13 20:46:00 - [16] - Quote inb4 HBC/CFC own all planets...
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.11.13 21:04:00 - [17] - Quote Onar Kion wrote: Quote: I mean, even the roman empire felt... What did they feel.....? I believe Wat said it best when he said, "PAIN... LOTS OF PAIN!"
J'Jor Da'Wg KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 648	Posted - 2012.11.13 21:31:00 - [18] - Quote Well... This is a sandbox. There will be empires, isn't that the point? Even Goonswarm wont last forever. They might last a long time, but nothing is forever.
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 775	Posted - 2012.11.13 22:11:00 - [19] - Quote 1686 Days of Eve Online Influence/Sovereignty Map 2007 to Apr 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to7CHVR-Mxk
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.11.13 22:12:00 - [20] - Quote Cortez The Killer wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I don't see this scenario as a problem, and I think we should be able to own planets without limit, though there could be a mechanic making it harder to maintain control of planets the more planets you have. There is. It comes with your logistical supply chains, offensive, and defensive assets being stretched too thin. Spread too far and your flanks become weak. Guess there is no problem.

Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1062	Posted - 2012.11.13 22:19:00 - [21] - Quote ugg reset wrote: how would subdivisions prevent people from working together? Instead on one big monster we will have a hoard of little monsters working togeather. I'm here to play in a space sand box not to kitten and moan about politice. as for your second idea, I've got the perfect game for you. hey, I take a little offense to that- the game's decent for that price, lol.
Necandi Brasil Conspiratus Immortalis 245	Posted - 2012.11.13 22:25:00 - [22] - Quote Onar Kion wrote: Quote: I mean, even the roman empire felt... What did they feel.....? I'm really sorry ... *fell
Kris Schnell Kinsho Swords Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.11.14 04:13:00 - [23] - Quote ok
Boss Dirge Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 71	Posted - 2012.11.14 04:18:00 - [24] - Quote There is no "goon problem". I have been blown up by a Goon once in the last 8 months of playing eve and in that time I haven't set foot in high sec. Eve is VERY big, space is VERY big, lots of room for everyone. You might want to be more worried about The Imperfects or ROFL house stealing all of your contracts because that is a more likely scenario.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.11.14 05:20:00 - [25] - Quote You don't create a sandbox and then put rules on the toys. If Goonswarm takes tons of planets in Dust, you weren't working hard enough to stop them. Seriously, adapt or die.
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis 775	Posted - 2012.11.14 05:57:00 - [26] - Quote ps ~ since my link may not have provided context on its own. Ask BoB about being "the" power in New Eden. I'm sure that someone with a better grasp of EVE history can school me on this statement with a little effort and desire to troll, but the point itself remains regardless.
Minmatar Slave 74136 Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 291	Posted - 2012.11.14 06:42:00 - [27] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: ps ~ since my link may not have provided context on its own. Ask BoB about being "the" power in New Eden. I'm sure that someone with a better grasp of EVE history can school me on this statement with a little effort and desire to troll, but the point itself remains regardless. Better EVE historians can elaborate better than I, but BoB (Band of Brothers) used to be the most powerful alliance in the game, with their leader, Sir Molle, boldly stating that he wanted to control all of New Eden one way or another. The arrival, and rise of Goonswarm became a major thorn in their side, and the wars that followed eventually lead to BoBs utter destruction when one of their disgruntled directors defected to the Swarm and put a knife in BoBs back that cost them their Alliance status (he disbanded them) but also the name Band of Brothers (still owned by a Goon corp now, I think.) BoB has tried to reform several times since then, with varying degrees of success and catastrophic failure, but they will never be what they once were. All this is an object lesson in the price of hubris - and also why corp and alliance leaders should be very thorough in vetting their leadership and setting up safeguards so that one pissed off officer in the corp can't put a bullet in the head of the entire corporation. Now granted, Goonswarm has had their share of setbacks and traitors, as well (always, ALWAYS make sure any bills your Alliance or Corporation has due are paid in full and on time, just in case something embarassing happens) But, in their case, Goonswarm always seems to come back as strong, or stronger, than before - since they have a more cavalier attitude about things like this (ie: some rage, but most seem to be able to laugh about themselves when something happens to temporarily kill the corp)
Minmatar Slave 74136 Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 291	Posted - 2012.11.14 06:47:00 - [28] - Quote And no, I don't want limits set on planetary ownership out there - let the strong eat the weak, darwinism is alive in new Eden, and if we can go fight on Technetium Moons for control then that will be awesome, since Everyone wants to have a piece of that pie.
Mister Hunt Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 230	Posted - 2012.11.14 07:03:00 - [29] - Quote 1. I am NOT a member of any major Corps or Alliances ingame. I have a 1 person corp that I run industry off of. 2. Goonswarm is already here. They are in every major game out there. 3. Doesn't matter who owns the planet if you can't get the materials off world to make your ISK. Basically, they own the space, you will be stuck there. You have obviously never played Eve and don't understand the complexities of Sovereignty. Goonswarm, as a Sov holding Alliance, does not own the majority of space, no where close. They are allied with several other Alliances into a coalition. Coalitions do not technically exist ingame, there is no skill for it or anything. There is no way for CCP to disallow gentlemens agreements that are made (which is what a coalition is), since they are usually made outside of the game. Right now we have a few alliances that have formed that are not official (one that is, as it is in Eve already) due to that skill not being in Dust already, but it will be in the future. Basically, L2Play, if the goons decide they want this game, there is nothing CCP is going to do about it, they like Jita too much to have it burn again.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.12.01 00:29:00 - [30] - Quote Kris Schnell wrote: I've put some thougth into an idea of how the gameplay of Dust 514 in relation to Eve should be. We all should be familiar with Goonswarm and how in 2007 they came together and claimed most of the land for their own free will. Its also come to my attention between me and my friends who play eve that Goonswarm can not fall even if everyone in the game tried to attack them at once. Knowing this I would like to suggest that if in Dust 514 you can 'own' planets for your corporation / alliance then I'd like to say let there be a percentage cap (25%) that an corporation / alliance can own out of all the planets in the game. Or Dont allow corporations / alliances to 'own' planets. Hopefully there will be at least one person out there that will agree with me on this one, ive also emailed this to the support email becuase i feel that this is kinda important and should be known be more people so we dont have a Goonswarm invasion of this game. We are already here and have been for quite some months, i've persoanlly been here for the better part of a year now. As for putting a Cap on percentage of what you can own, that would be pointless, even capping it at 25% as you state wouldn't matter because for firstly we probably own about 30% of SOV in EVE right now, so even a 25% cap wouldn't do much, it would still allow us to own as much as we do now, also there's always around things like that, like our current alliance with TEST, it wouldn't take much for us to set up alt corp just for planet holding and then use the alliance mechanics to manipulate it so Goons could still take part in those battles while exceeding the cap. If you capped it alliance wide, you'd have alliances form without using in game mechanics, or stopping alliances from fighting battles together to stop those mechanics being abused would mean there's no use for those mechanics and having an alliance would be pointless, thus making our position even stronger when the time becomes because nobody would still be able to take us on due to sheer numbers. People will *** about how it's not a zerg game etc etc and i'm not here to discuss that right now but numbers will matter, being an elite PVP corp in Dust will be fantastic for you KD/R etc etc but when it comes to holding sov and you not being able to field full squads 24/7 is when our numbers will matter. Even if you win ever game it won't matter if you can only do 10 games to even 100 we field, it's still only 10%. It sounds to me more like you're afraid of us because we have good logistics, great planning and good leadership and you simply can't compete with that so rather than growing a pair and just trying to find people to take us on you'd rather get CCP to hamper our development. Paran Tadec wrote: Firstly, goons don't own all of space. Secondly, they use numbers to win fights, not necessarily skill. Yes we have a numbers advantage, but we don't use numbers are the only thing to allow us to win. Have you ever fought us? i highly doubt it otherwise you'd know. People simply * about us because we don't about with "e-honour". Garrett Blacknova wrote:** It could be that the introduction of DUST will allow corps to hire DUST mercs and break the control of Goonswarm over parts of a system. It might be that Goonswarm manage enough of a hold in DUST that it only reinforces their control of things. It depends on CCP, Goonswarm, and the non-Goon DUST players. All of us have to just play our parts and see what happens. i think you underestimate us, considerably. Just because we're not here in force now does not mean we won't be once Dust can effect Nullsec. In fact, i know for a fact there will be a huge :goonrush: at that point and not before.



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