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Cerebral Wolf Jr
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Posted - 2012.12.01 00:29:00 -
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Edu Ashbourne wrote:I doubt you'll see a massive goon invasion any time soon. You have to keep in mind that:
A: Not everybody owns a PS3 or has any desire to buy one.
B: Fewer still have a positive opinion of Dust and it's chances of success.
Maybe once it's live and gets some numbers, Goons and the like would have some incentive to join in. Right now though, it's a bit of a minority
You're spot on, right now there's little to no reason for us to be here at all, let alone in force. I only came here because of how interested i was in what CCP are trying to achieve and i've not played the game for the last 2 months because i can't see it going anywhere and a lot of us feel like that right now.
Necandi Brasil wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:It could be that the introduction of DUST will allow corps to hire DUST mercs and break the control of Goonswarm over parts of a system. It might be that Goonswarm manage enough of a hold in DUST that it only reinforces their control of things.
It depends on CCP, Goonswarm, and the non-Goon DUST players. All of us have to just play our parts and see what happens. Maybe someday mercs in DUST 514 can claim the defeat of goonswarm .... I mean, even the roman empire fell... EDIT: Absurd English mistake
We've fallen several times in the past and disbanded twice, but we've come back stronger each and every time. There's always someone to restart and fill the voids left by a cascade. That's the beauty of the swarm. Every time something goes wrong we learn from it and we fix it, we're by no means unstoppable but we're pretty damn difficult to beat right now, we'll fall again but we'll also rise again.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I don't see this scenario as a problem, and I think we should be able to own planets without limit, though there could be a mechanic making it harder to maintain control of planets the more planets you have.
There will be a maintenance charge or something like there is with EVE Sov right now, you have to pay a bill every week for any space you own so i expect to have to pay per planet in Dust, the key is making sure you're earning a profit. |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
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Posted - 2012.12.01 00:33:00 -
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Boss Dirge wrote:There is no "goon problem". I have been blown up by a Goon once in the last 8 months of playing eve and in that time I haven't set foot in high sec.
Eve is VERY big, space is VERY big, lots of room for everyone. You might want to be more worried about The Imperfects or ROFL house stealing all of your contracts because that is a more likely scenario.
I'd agree with that, for independent corps who only wish to secure contracts and not fight for an ideal then i'd be much more concerned with the "Elite PVP" types taking all the good contracts, if not all of the contracts at the start and getting a huge advantage.
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Freki-Geri
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Posted - 2012.12.01 00:40:00 -
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If Goonswarm uses superior numbers and not a lot of skill. They are eventually going to collapse under their own weight. The same can't be said for the Roman Empire. That place died internally which proceeded rot from the outside in. Think of the Goonswarm as the old Red Army of Soviet Russia. Large numbers and poorly trained. So if they keep expanding and have the lack of skills to support their new worlds, they become easy pickings. |
Vallud Eadesso
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Posted - 2012.12.01 02:28:00 -
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You guys realise goonswarm already collapsed, yeah?
They reappeared as Goonswarm Federation and are now BBFs with the largest alliance in EVE. The two of them combined control more space than anyone else, and if you think you're going to steal planets from off of them... let me ask: How?
A lot of people seem to think the game now is how the finished thing will work. It won't. For those of you who do not play EVE, let me elaborate:
EVE is broken down into regions, then constellations, then systems, then stations (In DUST's case, replace Station with Planet). Each REGION has it's own market. Once you get out into Nullsec regions there is _NO MARKET_. The market is created and maintained by the Alliances who own that space, so Goonswarm (We'll use them as we're talking about them) will mine the minerals which they will then use to create their ships\modules and soon, DUST's soldiers armour and weapons and even vehicles.
If you're invading Goonswarm's space, how will you resupply? Simply put: you won't. They'll have the market, you'll either need funding from another large corp\alliance, or you won't do it. You may be able to supply yourselves but will one planet match whole systems? Your arms and armour trade routes will be blockaded and they will simply choke your resources while sending massive swarms of better equipped soldiers (Ones they kitted out) to come clear you out.
The game we play now is located in empire space and we buy from the NPC market. Once we intergrate with EVE this NPC market will only exist in empire, not Null. Remember too, if you buy your weapons and armour in Jita, you need it shipped out to Nullsec. Who's going to take it? NPC warbarges? Alliance owned Warbarges? Goonswarm _WILL_ intercept them.
Don't delude yourselves, I think it'll be wonderful if Dustbunnies could topple alliances, but when it comes to Nullsec. You'll be fighting FOR alliances, not against them |
Free Beers
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Posted - 2012.12.01 02:37:00 -
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Vallud Eadesso wrote:You guys realise goonswarm already collapsed, yeah?
They reappeared as Goonswarm Federation and are now BBFs with the largest alliance in EVE. The two of them combined control more space than anyone else, and if you think you're going to steal planets from off of them... let me ask: How?
A lot of people seem to think the game now is how the finished thing will work. It won't. For those of you who do not play EVE, let me elaborate:
EVE is broken down into regions, then constellations, then systems, then stations (In DUST's case, replace Station with Planet). Each REGION has it's own market. Once you get out into Nullsec regions there is _NO MARKET_. The market is created and maintained by the Alliances who own that space, so Goonswarm (We'll use them as we're talking about them) will mine the minerals which they will then use to create their ships\modules and soon, DUST's soldiers armour and weapons and even vehicles.
If you're invade Goonswarms space, how will you resupply? Simply put: you won't. They'll have the market, you'll either need funding from another large corp\alliance, or you won't do it. You may be able to supply yourselves but will one planet match whole systems? Your arms and armour trade routes will be blockaded and they will simply choke your resources while sending massive swarms of better equipped soldiers (Ones they kitted out) to come clear you out.
The game we play now is located in empire space and we buy from the NPC market. Once we intergrate with EVE this NPC market will only exist in empire, not Null. Remember too, if you buy your weapons and armour in Jita, you need it shipped out to Nullsec. Who's going to take it? NPC warbarges? Alliance owned Warbarges? Goonswarm _WILL_ intercept them.
Don't delude yourselves, I think it'll be wonderful if Dustbunnies could topple alliances, but when it comes to Nullsec. You'll be fighting FOR alliances, not against them
I'm not disagreeing with you but there are a lot of misconceptions on how things regarding market and logistics will work. I'n not going to type it all out but ask nova in irc. He has only told it like 400 times and is much better thatn I |
Vallud Eadesso
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Posted - 2012.12.01 02:41:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:
I'm not disagreeing with you but there are a lot of misconceptions on how things regarding market and logistics will work. I'n not going to type it all out but ask nova in irc. He has only told it like 400 times and is much better thatn I
I'm going by how it is on EVE and how we're going to be integrated into the EVE Market and how we've been told in dev interviews how we're going to integrate. That's how I see it happening.
Either way, there is no way a bunch of ground pounders can match the industrial output of EVE's largest alliances. I'm more curious how forces will move around Null too. I know at the FanFest a dev said, in relation to EVE players attacking Dusties on the move: "Not at the start but definitely later."
Guess we'll see. I just don't see poor foot sloggers having much luck against the vast fleets on the largest Alliances. Especially Goonswarm, heh. |
J'Jor Da'Wg
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Posted - 2012.12.01 03:08:00 -
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I kind of hope that CCP doesn't take the cop-out route of having everything assembled in the warbarge by nanites. Logistics are a huge part of meta game and strategy and can drive war just as much as anything else. I think everything needs to be physically present in EVE. It should be possible to steal 10,000 Heavy suits from the enemy, or destroy 2,458 of their Duvolle Assaut Rifles.
Just because it is an easier solution to avoid logistics in DUST, doesn't make it better. |
Free Beers
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Posted - 2012.12.01 03:14:00 -
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Vallud Eadesso wrote:Free Beers wrote:
I'm not disagreeing with you but there are a lot of misconceptions on how things regarding market and logistics will work. I'n not going to type it all out but ask nova in irc. He has only told it like 400 times and is much better thatn I
I'm going by how it is on EVE and how we're going to be integrated into the EVE Market and how we've been told in dev interviews how we're going to integrate. That's how I see it happening. Either way, there is no way a bunch of ground pounders can match the industrial output of EVE's largest alliances. I'm more curious how forces will move around Null too. I know at the FanFest a dev said, in relation to EVE players attacking Dusties on the move: "Not at the start but definitely later." Guess we'll see. I just don't see poor foot sloggers having much luck against the vast fleets on the largest Alliances. Especially Goonswarm, heh.
things have evolved since then. dust will enter nullsec when sov is redone as a part of the new solution because dust doesn't fit well in current for. eve will need dust to take defend planets but dust will need eve for support.
nullarbor used the phrase "mutually beneficial" when talking about the economic and combat aspects of it.
obviously we all don't know the details still but they will probably change a bunch anyways
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