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Cerebral Wolf Jr
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Posted - 2012.12.01 00:29:00 -
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Kris Schnell wrote:I've put some thougth into an idea of how the gameplay of Dust 514 in relation to Eve should be.
We all should be familiar with Goonswarm and how in 2007 they came together and claimed most of the land for their own free will. Its also come to my attention between me and my friends who play eve that Goonswarm can not fall even if everyone in the game tried to attack them at once.
Knowing this I would like to suggest that if in Dust 514 you can 'own' planets for your corporation / alliance then I'd like to say let there be a percentage cap (25%) that an corporation / alliance can own out of all the planets in the game.
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Dont allow corporations / alliances to 'own' planets.
Hopefully there will be at least one person out there that will agree with me on this one, ive also emailed this to the support email becuase i feel that this is kinda important and should be known be more people so we dont have a Goonswarm invasion of this game.
We are already here and have been for quite some months, i've persoanlly been here for the better part of a year now. As for putting a Cap on percentage of what you can own, that would be pointless, even capping it at 25% as you state wouldn't matter because for firstly we probably own about 30% of SOV in EVE right now, so even a 25% cap wouldn't do much, it would still allow us to own as much as we do now, also there's always around things like that, like our current alliance with TEST, it wouldn't take much for us to set up alt corp just for planet holding and then use the alliance mechanics to manipulate it so Goons could still take part in those battles while exceeding the cap.
If you capped it alliance wide, you'd have alliances form without using in game mechanics, or stopping alliances from fighting battles together to stop those mechanics being abused would mean there's no use for those mechanics and having an alliance would be pointless, thus making our position even stronger when the time becomes because nobody would still be able to take us on due to sheer numbers.
People will ***** about how it's not a zerg game etc etc and i'm not here to discuss that right now but numbers will matter, being an elite PVP corp in Dust will be fantastic for you KD/R etc etc but when it comes to holding sov and you not being able to field full squads 24/7 is when our numbers will matter. Even if you win ever game it won't matter if you can only do 10 games to even 100 we field, it's still only 10%.
It sounds to me more like you're afraid of us because we have good logistics, great planning and good leadership and you simply can't compete with that so rather than growing a pair and just trying to find people to take us on you'd rather get CCP to hamper our development.
Paran Tadec wrote:Firstly, goons don't own all of space. Secondly, they use numbers to win fights, not necessarily skill.
Yes we have a numbers advantage, but we don't use numbers are the only thing to allow us to win. Have you ever fought us? i highly doubt it otherwise you'd know. People simply ***** about us because we don't **** about with "e-honour".
Garrett Blacknova wrote:It could be that the introduction of DUST will allow corps to hire DUST mercs and break the control of Goonswarm over parts of a system. It might be that Goonswarm manage enough of a hold in DUST that it only reinforces their control of things.
It depends on CCP, Goonswarm, and the non-Goon DUST players. All of us have to just play our parts and see what happens.
i think you underestimate us, considerably. Just because we're not here in force now does not mean we won't be once Dust can effect Nullsec. In fact, i know for a fact there will be a huge :goonrush: at that point and not before.
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Cerebral Wolf Jr
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Edu Ashbourne wrote:I doubt you'll see a massive goon invasion any time soon. You have to keep in mind that:
A: Not everybody owns a PS3 or has any desire to buy one.
B: Fewer still have a positive opinion of Dust and it's chances of success.
Maybe once it's live and gets some numbers, Goons and the like would have some incentive to join in. Right now though, it's a bit of a minority
You're spot on, right now there's little to no reason for us to be here at all, let alone in force. I only came here because of how interested i was in what CCP are trying to achieve and i've not played the game for the last 2 months because i can't see it going anywhere and a lot of us feel like that right now.
Necandi Brasil wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:It could be that the introduction of DUST will allow corps to hire DUST mercs and break the control of Goonswarm over parts of a system. It might be that Goonswarm manage enough of a hold in DUST that it only reinforces their control of things.
It depends on CCP, Goonswarm, and the non-Goon DUST players. All of us have to just play our parts and see what happens. Maybe someday mercs in DUST 514 can claim the defeat of goonswarm .... I mean, even the roman empire fell... EDIT: Absurd English mistake 
We've fallen several times in the past and disbanded twice, but we've come back stronger each and every time. There's always someone to restart and fill the voids left by a cascade. That's the beauty of the swarm. Every time something goes wrong we learn from it and we fix it, we're by no means unstoppable but we're pretty damn difficult to beat right now, we'll fall again but we'll also rise again.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I don't see this scenario as a problem, and I think we should be able to own planets without limit, though there could be a mechanic making it harder to maintain control of planets the more planets you have.
There will be a maintenance charge or something like there is with EVE Sov right now, you have to pay a bill every week for any space you own so i expect to have to pay per planet in Dust, the key is making sure you're earning a profit. |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
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Boss Dirge wrote:There is no "goon problem". I have been blown up by a Goon once in the last 8 months of playing eve and in that time I haven't set foot in high sec.
Eve is VERY big, space is VERY big, lots of room for everyone. You might want to be more worried about The Imperfects or ROFL house stealing all of your contracts because that is a more likely scenario.
I'd agree with that, for independent corps who only wish to secure contracts and not fight for an ideal then i'd be much more concerned with the "Elite PVP" types taking all the good contracts, if not all of the contracts at the start and getting a huge advantage.
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