Well, this game seems to be heavily dependent on vehicles...making infantry or just simply shooting, seem obsolete. Especially when you can just call in vehicle after vehicle.

Get on IRC and ask

Get on IRC and ask

I'm not cool enuf for IRC tho

Aren't the forums ment to be the primary source of information ... just asking !

@HowThatTaste

Actually vehicles where not for the win on the last battle our Infantry held the top of the leader board.

We only ran 3 vehicles and brought in a 4th aka tank when ever SI decided to try to get to tank heavy. Vehicles did not win us the match Yes they played a very key roll. But our infantry played just as important. ROFL tried to spam tanks and it got them no where. If you concentrate to much on vehicler gameplay it actually looses you the match

SI Was expecting a little to much out of there tanks I think. And hoping on there snipers killing our forges so they could run the tanks over us. It was a very solid tatic but in the end our infantry is set up of very very solid gun game people. With out that there is no taking objectives or holding them.

So there was alot more then just vehicles.

Vehicles are pretty well balanced. If we nerfed vehicles much more I think tourney and corp v corp matches would be a bore. It is excitement. Dropships did not dominate the game play at all in corp matches because if you got a good corp they are a very very easy thing to shoot down. I think it is just pub matches are effected badly by vehicle gameplay because randoms have trouble working together to take down tougher and smarter vehicle players.

I think anyone who played corp matches would agree that tanks/dropships/infantry all are needed and all played a very equal roll. And vehicle spamming will not win the game.

As Dark cloud said we had skills put in the right place and our vehicle users where very good at what they do.

their railgun tank was the counter to our dropships. 1 hit= destroyed. And the dropships simply hammered the infantry after that they proceeded with the infantry to take objectives. They wouldnt had won by just pure infantry game on their side. Every 1 who doesnt deploy vehicles in a serious corp match is a idiot.

Well I think they should be but many a thread has been locked away over such suggestions.

ANyway dark was just giving a little report of how he saw the battle thats all.

I wouldnt have shared anything tbh but thats just me.

Well i think every 1 wants to know what happend on both sides and what where the key factors to actually win a corperation match. Well the imperfects had a sagaris with a railgun and 2 dropships supporting the ground units, while we had the first two matches missile tanks combined with dropships. Now due to the public opinion missile tanks would dominate i tell you they dont do at such a large scale battle. The thing is railguns are extreme effective at taking out other vehicles. The imperfects had basically this battleplan:
infantry/dropships are attacking B and the objective the furthest away from their main spawn area and trying to engage other dropships. In the mean time their railgun tank gets in position to take down other dropships/tanks. When they accomplished that their AV infantry gets into position to support their railgun tank against incoming dropships who might could flank him and these guys dont use swarm launchers. As we tried to make a push with dropships and got some infantry at a objective they allmost instantly getting pinned down from enemy dropships.

basically they had the exact same gameplan as we had the only difference was that their tank was very good specced into large railguns. Which was even capable in shoting down my dropship that had over 4400HP on the shields in just 1 single hit. The first match we pushed the imperfects very hard and they only won by clone depletion, but you have to consider that we had 2 objectives in our hands, 50% on our armor left while the imperfects had only 2 ticks on their armor left over with 1 objective. The second match we got pushed very hard and couldnt do anything cause we didnt adjusted our tactic enough. On the third match we where aible to hold ground and changed our missile tanks for railguns and did much better. We shot plenty off their dropships from the sky but wherent aible to get a second objective cause we didnt had pilots who are capabe in flying dropships (i was in a railgun tank and took out Aldin Kan's sagaris and shot down dropships). Well the team with the better specialisation won and in this case it where the imperfects. Skillwise i would say we are on allmost the same lvl but the team with the better arsenal won.

Well the team with the better specialisation won and in this case it where the imperfects. Skillwise i would say we are on allmost the same lvl but the team with the better arsenal won.

I think it came down to coordination, personally, not the arsenal. Not to say you guys weren't coordinated, but the 2nd and 3rd game we were in full-on serious mode after that insanely close 1st match. Hell, your missile tanks would one or two shot my armor tanks if a full volley landed, but that didn't stop me from blowing up more tanks than I lost because of having constant, reliable voice comms about where the enemy vehicles were.

The first game was kinda sloppy on direction, but we play very well together as a team. It all came down to coordination and team cohesion. If anything, voice comms won us the tournament. You can only be so good and so well fit, but if you don't have the experience playing together that you can rely on people being in certain locations doing certain things, and trust them to call out the appropriate threats, you're not going to do as well as a team that does.

You give a bunch of match information just so you can say you are as good as the imperfects you just didn't win because [enter excuse here]

We have a lot of respect for SI and how you played in the finals, but you dark cloud, need to learn how to lose.

Well, this game seems to be heavily dependent on vehicles...making infantry or just simply shooting, seem obsolete. Especially when you can just call in vehicle after vehicle.

Infantry were much needed in the fight tbh, Vehicles were a major part but with the Infantry AV (Forge Guns) fighting on the ground and Infantry moving in on them and killing them off, and then the Forge Gunners actually needing defense. There were also a couple of Snipers (That were doing their jobs correctly) on either side iirc. Vehicles are just one part of the battle, a big part, but only one part.

Sure our missile tanks where good against armor but not against aldin kan in his sagaris railgun tank. He was the main reason why you had controll over the airspace. And with that you had the upper hand. It was just a better strategy to rely on the railgun tank to deal with other vehicles from distance. And to be honest it was a very smart move.


Where did i denied our loss? Havent insulted you guys (yet). I even give rep to you for using vehicles at such a advanced lvl. And still you moan about it. Sounds more like a bad winner from my perspective. And i think you are just mad that i gave detailed information about tactics out for free. Well we learned from our defeat what needs to be improved and if theres another tourny prepare for a even harder fight. I would even suspect that you had a rat placed into our corp to sniff out our tactic and adjust it allmost perfectly.

Sure our missile tanks where good against armor but not against aldin kan in his sagaris railgun tank. He was the main reason why you had controll over the airspace. And with that you had the upper hand. It was just a better strategy to rely on the railgun tank to deal with other vehicles from distance. And to be honest it was a very smart move.


Where did i denied our loss? Havent insulted you guys (yet). I even give rep to you for using vehicles at such a advanced lvl. And still you moan about it. Sounds more like a bad winner from my perspective. And i think you are just mad that i gave detailed information about tactics out for free. Well we learned from our defeat what needs to be improved and if theres another tourny prepare for a even harder fight. I would even suspect that you had a rat placed into our corp to sniff out our tactic and adjust it allmost perfectly.

Vehicles for the win, no need to spec into infantry.

we actually ran 3 about 90 percent of the time. Yes we would bring in a fourth every once in awhile because SI would be running 4-5 tanks at a time.

Vehicles do not win the match. They contribute but you need more then just vehicles to win. So yes they are important. But they are not OP or the I win button. SI and ROFL both ran heavy on the vehicles yet aka having up to 6 vehicles out at a time while we where running 3 yet we won. And SI and ROFL both have some of the best tank players in the game.

As these guys said it above me yes not using vehicles in corp matches is asking to get destroyed. Dust is not just another FPS. It is ment to be tactical. Only thing that sucks is this hurts pub matches but when you get corp v corp matches it enhances them.

Bottom line was Alldin's build/strategy was the most obvious reason you won IMHO. Our infantry were atleast as good as Imperfects while on EU servers. Bad things happened to us on NA. But we had no counter to Alldin's tank until the 3rd game. His build almost perfectly counters us.
I'm not making excuses, just pointing out how vital Alldin's role is.

All in all, great games with an alarming amount of ISK spent by all.

You know Noc is like one of the sickest tank dudes right? like since beta build 1

The problem right now is we don't see enough structures- just open areas where vehicles dominate.

How many times have you seen vehicles doing well in one of the center structure variations of skim junction?

Bottom line was Alldin's build/strategy was the most obvious reason you won IMHO. Our infantry were atleast as good as Imperfects while on EU servers. Bad things happened to us on NA. But we had no counter to Alldin's tank until the 3rd game. His build almost perfectly counters us.
I'm not making excuses, just pointing out how vital Alldin's role is.

All in all, great games with an alarming amount of ISK spent by all.

I'm honestly a little disappointed that they didn't work out a feed or at least record it (they didn't, right?). I'd have really liked to have seen it, the first organized player tournament...

Aside from our first match I felt ROFL gave us tougher matches

Ahhh Right there says it all. they where as good as our infantry that was lagging out hardcore on there EU servers. lol.

Bold says it all. Need the lag in there favor to be as good.

But come on quit coming up with excuses guys. It was a good game and well fought. Just leave it at that.

lol no...

Going up against SI proved to be a challenge. Though they did not bring as many sturdier tanks as ROFL, I had to constantly analyze the positioning of enemy vehicles to get safe shots with my railgun (5,400+ dmg). Uplinks were also being used in massive amounts to the point were I would've carried a metal detector if I was on foot. For trying to go around the middle road I ended up having an enemy dropship shoot me from above twice, but thankfully it wasn't enough.The one guy who truly stood a chance of blowing up my tank was Ty Borg (lost 2 or 3 tanks out of 4 by Ty). I would've have lost a 5th tank but fortunately I had a LAV outfitted with 2 remote shield reppers to restore my shielding at one moment in the second round. Once my team made a push in the battlefield I was able to take down some dropshis before they could even leave their spawn as well as taking down multiple tanks (2 did survive drops from bolas). Overall, this was great experience for me as a tank driver and hope to be in future tournaments.

So why did we lose then? The 6000+ damage pershot tank was the single biggest advantage you guys had. You need to learn the difference between people accepting a reason we lost from people making excuses.

It's over 6000 damage. My Sica went from 5900 shield into burning wreck in 1 shot :(
Yes I brought militia tanks to the biggest fight on Dust.

Question: Are damage bonuses on railguns broken? The best I can see is 65% (3*10% modules + 35% skills). I don't remember seeing a 4k damage railgun on the market.

You read excuses because that's what you want to see. Over half our team were seriously restricted because of that one tank. I don't see how me giving Alldin his proper dues for that is an excuse.
Gg regardless.

Edit: we can't do the same fit because we didn't spec for it. That's our failing.

Hmmm last time I check you guys where able to do the exact same fit if you guys had the skill and the knowledge to do so. All I'm reading is excuses is because all you guys had to do was take out one tank. You guys understand that it was just 1 tank right?

Our advantage was better personal skill, better strategy, and where better at adapting to what was presented to us. One tank didn't decide the game, it was a team effort.

You do realize that you are saying that one rail gun tank, which is anti-vehicle, stop over half your team right. That is sad when you guys brought out plenty of tanks and forge guns yet couldn't over run a single tank or even surpress a single tank. Any sane person can read that you are putting up an excuses. " oh no we lost because of a single tank, I forget that there is 14 other players supporting each other. Hey guys seriously though, we had 4 plus tanks, 2 forges, and 1 dropship. We couldn't kill one dps tank."

Alldin is a beast, everybody in Imperfects is a beast.

Like I say, you don't understand HOW important he was.
Sad but true with regards to countering him.

It begins -_-

lol just sit back and enjoy the show.

Seeing how things might go downhill on this thread, I prescribed the perfect medication to ease the posters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GWPOPSXGYI

Well it's fact now! Words from Tony Calif.

Alldin you are a beast!!!!

Alldin=4 tanks, 2 forge, 1 dropship of SI.

I'm envious of you Alldin!! You my hero!

@HowThatTaste

Actually vehicles where not for the win on the last battle our Infantry held the top of the leader board.

We only ran 3 vehicles and brought in a 4th aka tank when ever SI decided to try to get to tank heavy. Vehicles did not win us the match Yes they played a very key roll. But our infantry played just as important. ROFL tried to spam tanks and it got them no where. If you concentrate to much on vehicler gameplay it actually looses you the match

SI Was expecting a little to much out of there tanks I think. And hoping on there snipers killing our forges so they could run the tanks over us. It was a very solid tatic but in the end our infantry is set up of very very solid gun game people. With out that there is no taking objectives or holding them.

So there was alot more then just vehicles.

Vehicles are pretty well balanced. If we nerfed vehicles much more I think tourney and corp v corp matches would be a bore. It is excitement. Dropships did not dominate the game play at all in corp matches because if you got a good corp they are a very very easy thing to shoot down. I think it is just pub matches are effected badly by vehicle gameplay because randoms have trouble working together to take down tougher and smarter vehicle players.

I think anyone who played corp matches would agree that tanks/dropships/infantry all are needed and all played a very equal roll. And vehicle spamming will not win the game.

As Dark cloud said we had skills put in the right place and our vehicle users where very good at what they do.

Each vehicle has 1 driver 2 gunners 3 vehicles means 9 guys sitting in vehicles. Not many ground troops left after that....

Tony, Omnipotent, forget the forums and hash this sh*t out in a chat. Bring a neutral moderator and don't make a spectacle about stupid sh*t on forums.

Our vehicles didn't have 1 driver and 2 gunners each, so no it wasn't 9 people sitting in vehicles. We actually had 9 people on the ground in our matches.

I could take your word for it. But from what I see the typical set up for tanks is 1 driver 2 gunners same as drop ships.

I could take your word for it. But from what I see the typical set up for tanks is 1 driver 2 gunners same as drop ships.

I could take your word for it. But from what I see the typical set up for tanks is 1 driver 2 gunners same as drop ships.

All I'm saying it was a collective team effort. Tony keeps saying that Alldin was the only reason why we won.

Please refrain from posting if you do not comprehend what you are reading. Thank you!

I'd like to congratulate team Aldin

I'll only do that if you and Tony stop acting like 5 year olds

We started out as Perfects, but then the team became more than Alldin.

Who are you? ........................ Hmmm.....................Ummmmm............yeah.

Hey guys, Vermaak has really relevant opinions seeing as he participated in all the tournament matches. Oh wait...

:( Am I being immature? Shucks.

I'm very glad you can rely on the wisdom of others, seeing as how originality eludes you like being in the tournament eluded STB.

:) Have a nice day.

It took about 3.5 seconds for someone to get a laugh out of what I said, it took roughly the same amount of time for you to get butthurt over it. I consider this 10/10.

Now if you'll excuse us, those that participated in the tournament with relevant insights and opinions have discussions to get back to - I'm sure you'll see your way out now. Perhaps you should go post some more wisdom from Twain and see if that helps QG send email attachments in future tournaments.

With much love,
Your friend truly, Tyrvoth.

It's over 6000 damage. My Sica went from 5900 shield into burning wreck in 1 shot :(
Yes I brought militia tanks to the biggest fight on Dust.

Question: Are damage bonuses on railguns broken? The best I can see is 65% (3*10% modules + 35% skills). I don't remember seeing a 4k damage railgun on the market.

we actually ran 3 about 90 percent of the time. Yes we would bring in a fourth every once in awhile because SI would be running 4-5 tanks at a time.

Vehicles do not win the match. They contribute but you need more then just vehicles to win. So yes they are important. But they are not OP or the I win button. SI and ROFL both ran heavy on the vehicles yet aka having up to 6 vehicles out at a time while we where running 3 yet we won. And SI and ROFL both have some of the best tank players in the game.

As these guys said it above me yes not using vehicles in corp matches is asking to get destroyed. Dust is not just another FPS. It is ment to be tactical. Only thing that sucks is this hurts pub matches but when you get corp v corp matches it enhances them.

And I'm glad that you are recognizing the key issue here...pub matches. In corp battles, they are fine because you have your AV guys set up and online and ready for the match. But everyone usually plays in random matches and it really blows. Because your corp may have a few guys on and your forge gunner or heavily specced AV guys may not be in the game with you.

Then you're stuck with the blowhards bringing in their dropships in the match with minimal counter. And it'll be the same guys that oppose infantry only maps. Vehicles are apart of the game and they are welcome for battles. But these vehicles aren't easy to take out by yourself so they dominate in pub matches.

You might as well, since my word comes as a vehicle user from the team I'm talking about. It's not like you were on our team while in these matches.

I could careless why we lost but damn right we are going to work on what cause it however the imperfects was the better team and they won simple as that so congratz.

I hope no one from SI post any further remember its going back into the Shadows for us, drama isn't our style so again congratulations Imperfects see you soon cause we will be back

Going up against SI proved to be a challenge. Though they did not bring as many sturdier tanks as ROFL, I had to constantly analyze the positioning of enemy vehicles to get safe shots with my railgun (5,400+ dmg). Uplinks were also being used in massive amounts to the point were I would've carried a metal detector if I was on foot. For trying to go around the middle road I ended up having an enemy dropship shoot me from above twice, but thankfully it wasn't enough.The one guy who truly stood a chance of blowing up my tank was Ty Borg (lost 2 or 3 tanks out of 4 by Ty). I would've have lost a 5th tank but fortunately I had a LAV outfitted with 2 remote shield reppers to restore my shielding at one moment in the second round. Once my team made a push in the battlefield I was able to take down some dropshis before they could even leave their spawn as well as taking down multiple tanks (2 did survive drops from bolas). Overall, this was great experience for me as a tank driver and hope to be in future tournaments.