DUST Search - Battle report after the final from the tourny

Ydubbs81 RND wrote:

Caeli SineDeo wrote:

we actually ran 3 about 90 percent of the time. Yes we would bring in a fourth every once in awhile because SI would be running 4-5 tanks at a time.

Vehicles do not win the match. They contribute but you need more then just vehicles to win. So yes they are important. But they are not OP or the I win button. SI and ROFL both ran heavy on the vehicles yet aka having up to 6 vehicles out at a time while we where running 3 yet we won. And SI and ROFL both have some of the best tank players in the game.

As these guys said it above me yes not using vehicles in corp matches is asking to get destroyed. Dust is not just another FPS. It is ment to be tactical. Only thing that sucks is this hurts pub matches but when you get corp v corp matches it enhances them.

And I'm glad that you are recognizing the key issue here...pub matches. In corp battles, they are fine because you have your AV guys set up and online and ready for the match. But everyone usually plays in random matches and it really blows. Because your corp may have a few guys on and your forge gunner or heavily specced AV guys may not be in the game with you.

Then you're stuck with the blowhards bringing in their dropships in the match with minimal counter. And it'll be the same guys that oppose infantry only maps. Vehicles are apart of the game and they are welcome for battles. But these vehicles aren't easy to take out by yourself so they dominate in pub matches.

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Tiel Syysch Imperfects Negative-Feedback 633	Posted - 2012.11.12 04:46:00 - [61] - Quote Regis Mk V wrote: Each vehicle has 1 driver 2 gunners 3 vehicles means 9 guys sitting in vehicles. Not many ground troops left after that.... Our vehicles didn't have 1 driver and 2 gunners each, so no it wasn't 9 people sitting in vehicles. We actually had 9 people on the ground in our matches.
Omnipotens Zitro Doomheim 425	Posted - 2012.11.12 04:48:00 - [62] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: Tony, Omnipotent, forget the forums and hash this sht out in a chat. Bring a neutral moderator and don't make a spectacle about stupid sht on forums. All I'm saying it was a collective team effort. Tony keeps saying that Alldin was the only reason why we won. Please refrain from posting if you do not comprehend what you are reading. Thank you!
Pranekt Tyrvoth Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 177	Posted - 2012.11.12 04:49:00 - [63] - Quote I can't speak for SI, but for both ROFL and Imperfects, we didn't fill the vehicles to the brim with people. Tanks usually only had the driver, dropships usually only had one gunner. Most of the infantry for both teams were meant to advance/repel in attack/defense roles. Just because you have a small missile turret on a tank doesn't require that you fill it, and generally speaking in high level play, the infantry are better off not being in the turret. The secondary logic behind this is, whenever that vehicle is taken out of play [which generally isn't a question of if, but when], nobody wants to see 3 clone kills scored, but rather 1 or none. All three groups ran strong vehicles with differing plans, for Imperfects it was usually 4 (instead of 5) with 1-2 dropships, 1-2 tanks, for ROFL it was 4 tank 1 dropship, for SI I suspect it was a similar setup. I don't recall anyone with a full vehicle though, it'd be a waste of talent to keep good infantry (of which all three teams in question have) inside turrets.
Regis Mk V Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 109	Posted - 2012.11.12 04:49:00 - [64] - Quote Tiel Syysch wrote: Regis Mk V wrote: Each vehicle has 1 driver 2 gunners 3 vehicles means 9 guys sitting in vehicles. Not many ground troops left after that.... Our vehicles didn't have 1 driver and 2 gunners each, so no it wasn't 9 people sitting in vehicles. We actually had 9 people on the ground in our matches. I could take your word for it. But from what I see the typical set up for tanks is 1 driver 2 gunners same as drop ships.
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2047	Posted - 2012.11.12 04:51:00 - [65] - Quote Regis Mk V wrote: Tiel Syysch wrote: Regis Mk V wrote: Each vehicle has 1 driver 2 gunners 3 vehicles means 9 guys sitting in vehicles. Not many ground troops left after that.... Our vehicles didn't have 1 driver and 2 gunners each, so no it wasn't 9 people sitting in vehicles. We actually had 9 people on the ground in our matches. I could take your word for it. But from what I see the typical set up for tanks is 1 driver 2 gunners same as drop ships. you only need one person in a tank
Tiel Syysch Imperfects Negative-Feedback 633	Posted - 2012.11.12 04:52:00 - [66] - Quote Regis Mk V wrote: Tiel Syysch wrote: Regis Mk V wrote: Each vehicle has 1 driver 2 gunners 3 vehicles means 9 guys sitting in vehicles. Not many ground troops left after that.... Our vehicles didn't have 1 driver and 2 gunners each, so no it wasn't 9 people sitting in vehicles. We actually had 9 people on the ground in our matches. I could take your word for it. But from what I see the typical set up for tanks is 1 driver 2 gunners same as drop ships. You might as well, since my word comes as a vehicle user from the team I'm talking about. It's not like you were on our team while in these matches.
Pranekt Tyrvoth Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 177	Posted - 2012.11.12 04:52:00 - [67] - Quote ... Uhhh, you probably should take his word for it. I fought them and know what they brought out, I know how we fought too. Lol. Pubbies love to crowd tanks for the missile spam turrets, but high level group play is different. You don't crowd tanks, if an infantry guy must get inside a tank, it's almost exclusively to 1) temporarily transport at a faster rate from one objective to another, or 2) temporarily avoid getting killed if hitpoints are low to a likely killshot.
TheReaper852 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 62	Posted - 2012.11.12 04:55:00 - [68] - Quote Regis Mk V wrote: Tiel Syysch wrote: Regis Mk V wrote: Each vehicle has 1 driver 2 gunners 3 vehicles means 9 guys sitting in vehicles. Not many ground troops left after that.... Our vehicles didn't have 1 driver and 2 gunners each, so no it wasn't 9 people sitting in vehicles. We actually had 9 people on the ground in our matches. I could take your word for it. But from what I see the typical set up for tanks is 1 driver 2 gunners same as drop ships. They don't fill the vehicle but you have to keep in mind you then need 4-5 AV people leaving still 4-5 real assualt people on the ground or less. (not sure if some of those 4-5 are snipers but you still see the point that there isn't much infantry battle for a point, more vehicle with infantry just there to hold circle and possibly shoot a few guys). I'd like to congratulate team Aldin, he really pulled out the win. Also it was nice playing with those imperfect guys, too bad I didn't get to play much in the tourneys but I figured I wasn't needed much.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 384	Posted - 2012.11.12 04:55:00 - [69] - Quote Omnipotens Zitro wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Tony, Omnipotent, forget the forums and hash this sht out in a chat. Bring a neutral moderator and don't make a spectacle about stupid sht on forums. All I'm saying it was a collective team effort. Tony keeps saying that Alldin was the only reason why we won. Please refrain from posting if you do not comprehend what you are reading. Thank you! I'll only do that if you and Tony stop acting like 5 year olds
Tiel Syysch Imperfects Negative-Feedback 633	Posted - 2012.11.12 04:57:00 - [70] - Quote TheReaper852 wrote: I'd like to congratulate team Aldin We started out as Perfects, but then the team became more than Alldin.

Omnipotens Zitro Doomheim 425	Posted - 2012.11.12 04:59:00 - [71] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: Omnipotens Zitro wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Tony, Omnipotent, forget the forums and hash this sht out in a chat. Bring a neutral moderator and don't make a spectacle about stupid sht on forums. All I'm saying it was a collective team effort. Tony keeps saying that Alldin was the only reason why we won. Please refrain from posting if you do not comprehend what you are reading. Thank you! I'll only do that if you and Tony stop acting like 5 year olds Who are you? ........................ Hmmm.....................Ummmmm............yeah.
Sleepy Zan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2047	Posted - 2012.11.12 04:59:00 - [72] - Quote Tiel Syysch wrote: TheReaper852 wrote: I'd like to congratulate team Aldin We started out as Perfects, but then the team became more than Alldin. true story
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 384	Posted - 2012.11.12 05:00:00 - [73] - Quote Omnipotens Zitro wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Omnipotens Zitro wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: Tony, Omnipotent, forget the forums and hash this sht out in a chat. Bring a neutral moderator and don't make a spectacle about stupid sht on forums. All I'm saying it was a collective team effort. Tony keeps saying that Alldin was the only reason why we won. Please refrain from posting if you do not comprehend what you are reading. Thank you! I'll only do that if you and Tony stop acting like 5 year olds Who are you? ........................ Hmmm.....................Ummmmm............yeah. Edit: F*ck it, I have better things to do
Omnipotens Zitro Doomheim 425	Posted - 2012.11.12 05:01:00 - [74] - Quote Alldin for President!!!
Pranekt Tyrvoth Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 177	Posted - 2012.11.12 05:04:00 - [75] - Quote Hey guys, Vermaak has really relevant opinions seeing as he participated in all the tournament matches. Oh wait... :( Am I being immature? Shucks.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 384	Posted - 2012.11.12 05:08:00 - [76] - Quote Pranekt Tyrvoth wrote: Hey guys, Vermaak has really relevant opinions seeing as he participated in all the tournament matches. Oh wait... :( Am I being immature? Shucks. Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. GÇöMark Twain
Pranekt Tyrvoth Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 177	Posted - 2012.11.12 05:10:00 - [77] - Quote I'm very glad you can rely on the wisdom of others, seeing as how originality eludes you like being in the tournament eluded STB. :) Have a nice day.
Caeli SineDeo Imperfects Negative-Feedback 294	Posted - 2012.11.12 05:11:00 - [78] - Quote Alldin quick question who told you how to fit your tank???? :P But yes it was not just alldin that won the match. Yes he provided a very important assest. But his asset would not be as powerful as it was without the infantry to steam roll over there side and considering everytime my dropship appeared over your spawn or near you guys hell even accross the map I would have 5+ plus guys trying forge me, hit me with a rail tank, or swarm me. means I drew alot of fire power away from alldin. :) And I am also guessing lots of people where pissed at my dropship so therefor it was a primary target. Which made alldins life very easy. Also Tiels tank hits alot harder then aldins. :) And considering our infantry held the top spots on the last match proves that they where very important and did lots of work. Edit: Pranekt +1
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 384	Posted - 2012.11.12 05:15:00 - [79] - Quote Pranekt Tyrvoth wrote: I'm very glad you can rely on the wisdom of others, seeing as how originality eludes you like being in the tournament eluded STB. :) Have a nice day. Trolls are like AIDS, no one likes them and they're hard to get rid of -Vermaak Doe
Pranekt Tyrvoth Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 177	Posted - 2012.11.12 05:20:00 - [80] - Quote It took about 3.5 seconds for someone to get a laugh out of what I said, it took roughly the same amount of time for you to get butthurt over it. I consider this 10/10. Now if you'll excuse us, those that participated in the tournament with relevant insights and opinions have discussions to get back to - I'm sure you'll see your way out now. Perhaps you should go post some more wisdom from Twain and see if that helps QG send email attachments in future tournaments. With much love, Your friend truly, Tyrvoth.

slap26 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 462	Posted - 2012.11.12 05:37:00 - [81] - Quote Pranekt Tyrvoth wrote: It took about 3.5 seconds for someone to get a laugh out of what I said, it took roughly the same amount of time for you to get butthurt over it. I consider this 10/10. Now if you'll excuse us, those that participated in the tournament with relevant insights and opinions have discussions to get back to - I'm sure you'll see your way out now. Perhaps you should go post some more wisdom from Twain and see if that helps QG send email attachments in future tournaments. With much love, Your friend truly, Tyrvoth. TYRON has jokes lol
Pranekt Tyrvoth Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 177	Posted - 2012.11.12 05:43:00 - [82] - Quote So what you're saying is... You wrote up some wonderful statement for our viewing pleasure (at your expense) and then opted to edit it before anyone could read it, all the meanwhile maintaining the position that replying to me isn't worth your time. Yet...here we are, you're contradictorily replying to your statements. Please, continue to fill my golden chalice with your tears, frustration, lost hopes and dreams, etc, etc.
Tien TheSecond Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 198	Posted - 2012.11.12 07:17:00 - [83] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: It's over 6000 damage. My Sica went from 5900 shield into burning wreck in 1 shot :( Yes I brought militia tanks to the biggest fight on Dust. Question: Are damage bonuses on railguns broken? The best I can see is 65% (3*10% modules + 35% skills). I don't remember seeing a 4k damage railgun on the market. Your math is off, again, there are stacking penalties so it goes 100% of rated, 70, 50. each one loses effectiveness.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising 886	Posted - 2012.11.12 07:54:00 - [84] - Quote Caeli SineDeo wrote: we actually ran 3 about 90 percent of the time. Yes we would bring in a fourth every once in awhile because SI would be running 4-5 tanks at a time. Vehicles do not win the match. They contribute but you need more then just vehicles to win. So yes they are important. But they are not OP or the I win button. SI and ROFL both ran heavy on the vehicles yet aka having up to 6 vehicles out at a time while we where running 3 yet we won. And SI and ROFL both have some of the best tank players in the game. As these guys said it above me yes not using vehicles in corp matches is asking to get destroyed. Dust is not just another FPS. It is ment to be tactical. Only thing that sucks is this hurts pub matches but when you get corp v corp matches it enhances them. And I'm glad that you are recognizing the key issue here...pub matches. In corp battles, they are fine because you have your AV guys set up and online and ready for the match. But everyone usually plays in random matches and it really blows. Because your corp may have a few guys on and your forge gunner or heavily specced AV guys may not be in the game with you. Then you're stuck with the blowhards bringing in their dropships in the match with minimal counter. And it'll be the same guys that oppose infantry only maps. Vehicles are apart of the game and they are welcome for battles. But these vehicles aren't easy to take out by yourself so they dominate in pub matches.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 742	Posted - 2012.11.12 10:04:00 - [85] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Caeli SineDeo wrote: we actually ran 3 about 90 percent of the time. Yes we would bring in a fourth every once in awhile because SI would be running 4-5 tanks at a time. Vehicles do not win the match. They contribute but you need more then just vehicles to win. So yes they are important. But they are not OP or the I win button. SI and ROFL both ran heavy on the vehicles yet aka having up to 6 vehicles out at a time while we where running 3 yet we won. And SI and ROFL both have some of the best tank players in the game. As these guys said it above me yes not using vehicles in corp matches is asking to get destroyed. Dust is not just another FPS. It is ment to be tactical. Only thing that sucks is this hurts pub matches but when you get corp v corp matches it enhances them. And I'm glad that you are recognizing the key issue here...pub matches. In corp battles, they are fine because you have your AV guys set up and online and ready for the match. But everyone usually plays in random matches and it really blows. Because your corp may have a few guys on and your forge gunner or heavily specced AV guys may not be in the game with you. Then you're stuck with the blowhards bringing in their dropships in the match with minimal counter. And it'll be the same guys that oppose infantry only maps. Vehicles are apart of the game and they are welcome for battles. But these vehicles aren't easy to take out by yourself so they dominate in pub matches. umad? (Sorry, this is the only response I can give anymore to people crying about vehicles) About Railgun tanks.. I want one to shoot the RDVs down.. I'mma make the bestest railgun tank in the whole world and then I'm going to put it on a Mountain or a Roof, and shoot RDVs down, including friendly ones. yay. :D (That was my first thought when I was on comms hearing how SI's **** was being blown up before it even landed)
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.11.12 10:31:00 - [86] - Quote Tiel Syysch wrote: Regis Mk V wrote: Tiel Syysch wrote: Regis Mk V wrote: Each vehicle has 1 driver 2 gunners 3 vehicles means 9 guys sitting in vehicles. Not many ground troops left after that.... Our vehicles didn't have 1 driver and 2 gunners each, so no it wasn't 9 people sitting in vehicles. We actually had 9 people on the ground in our matches. I could take your word for it. But from what I see the typical set up for tanks is 1 driver 2 gunners same as drop ships. You might as well, since my word comes as a vehicle user from the team I'm talking about. It's not like you were on our team while in these matches. this. no one i know of fills a tank with 3 ppl Regis lol thats a waste of good infantry like ppl have already said pubs yes because randoms see a tank and hop in the gunner seat for some easy kills
Darky Kuzarian Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 143	Posted - 2012.11.12 10:43:00 - [87] - Quote I could careless why we lost but damn right we are going to work on what cause it however the imperfects was the better team and they won simple as that so congratz. I hope no one from SI post any further remember its going back into the Shadows for us, drama isn't our style so again congratulations Imperfects see you soon cause we will be back
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1155	Posted - 2012.11.12 11:28:00 - [88] - Quote Erf, makes me even sadder knowing that the railgun counter has been effective.... That's what we had planned for quarters finals vs you guys SI until both match got CCPed through freezes and crappy organization. Flying railguns max skilled to take down dropships/HAVs and shot any Bolas even in spawn. Take the fight on the infantry ground where we would have been more at our ease. Crap. Anyway, congrats imperfects and every participants !
Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.11.12 11:32:00 - [89] - Quote Darky Kuzarian wrote: I could careless why we lost but damn right we are going to work on what cause it however the imperfects was the better team and they won simple as that so congratz. I hope no one from SI post any further remember its going back into the Shadows for us, drama isn't our style so again congratulations Imperfects see you soon cause we will be back This. Laters
Vexen Krios Doomheim 95	Posted - 2012.11.12 11:49:00 - [90] - Quote I've seen aldins tank in the works...its a b**ch to take out...period. The imperfects are good, and as of right now...the best... i think the tournament proved that. Whether Tritan or STB was in the tournament or not. Imperfects won...its a game of strategy to be honest. thats why they put dropships and tanks in this game...its warfare. All infantry cant take down a well skilled pilot of a tanks and dropship, especially if thats what they have specialized into. i've seen two forge gunners put multiple shots into Aldins tank...me being one of them and barely get its shields down. Face it...the guy knows his tanks. As well does Ted from STB Tanks and dropships can be a pain in the arse in matches, but they are vital in this game whether we like them or not...the best teams will utilize every aspect of infantry and vehicles they can in their teams and squads. that is what will win games...Imperfects just so happend to have the best balance of skilled infantry players, a skilled tank player, and a skilled dropship pilot...im sure they have skilled forge gunners too. Which in the end is why they won the tournament.



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