Its ok, Someone will find it eventually and make note of it, I'll be looking out thats for sure, dont need people getting millions of dollars in bank again and making the game unfair and unbalanced.

but it's going to happen definitely when release. the EVE players are going to be the ones in control by corps they build in dust. why would they allow some no named guys to make isk on what they commission to take over?

There's this assumption that you'll definitely be able to transfer unlimited amounts of ISK at some point in the future, from EVE into Dust. And note it's always the one direction people are talking about, and that tells you all you need to know. In EVE, you can make hundreds of millions without breaking a sweat. Some ratting, some mining, some PI, whatever. No big deal.

In Dust, how long would it take to make a similar amount? Long time. To make even 100 million in Dust, at ~100 - 150k ISK per game (if you're good and lose very little ISK) would require you to play hundreds of games. It would take a long, long time.

In other words, if they were to open up transferring ISK they'd completely trivialize the ISK-related portion of the game for any EVE players, or anyone with an established EVE-playing friend, or anyone who can otherwise get an EVE connection. Those people will never have to worry about ISK ever again, while the people with no EVE connection will continue to value ISK a lot, and have to be careful about dying, and so on.

So, the question, really, is why they would ever want to allow ISK transfers in the first place. Other than the notion that such a thing might be possible in the New Eden setting, what purpose would it serve other than to do a great deal of harm to Dust as a game? Considering that they've billed Dust as a game about being a mercenary, and everything having value, and every death mattering because you value your equipment, what sense would it make to allow a certain portion of the playerbase to acquire so much ISK that ISK basically becomes unimportant to them?

Unless CCP does a major overhaul of the ISK generation in Dust, and the price of all items, to somehow, magically, make Dust players earn the same as EVE players given the same amount of effort spent and the same time committed, I can't see why they'd ever just open the games to one-another monetarily. It serves no purpose and would do quite a lot of harm to Dust.

More than that probably. A game in Dust takes 10 - 15 minutes or so, right? So 4 - 6 games an hour, making probably around 100k ISK profit per game in a good result. So let's say a Dust player makes 500k ISK an hour. That isn't anything close to what a you can make in an hour in EVE. The tax would have to be pretty ludicrously high, indeed.

But, yeah, I think a tax is probably the answer. At any rate, simply being able to transfer ISK from EVE to Dust on a 1:1 basis should never be allowed.

I can make 20-25mil per hour semi afk mining.

you can make 50 mil for full afk mining if i find a good grav sight. those rare minerals that find themselves in high sec are just as good as the null sec stuff and i don't even have to take it that far to a trade hub.

Nice to hear from someone who knows what they're talking about. All I know is the basic "Highsec is meant to be low-risk low-reward" spiel. Apparently not quite THAT low a reward. Guess I'm running with the "economy will need work" crowd again.

There's this assumption that you'll definitely be able to transfer unlimited amounts of ISK at some point in the future, from EVE into Dust. And note it's always the one direction people are talking about, and that tells you all you need to know. In EVE, you can make hundreds of millions without breaking a sweat. Some ratting, some mining, some PI, whatever. No big deal.

In Dust, how long would it take to make a similar amount? Long time. To make even 100 million in Dust, at ~100 - 150k ISK per game (if you're good and lose very little ISK) would require you to play hundreds of games. It would take a long, long time.

In other words, if they were to open up transferring ISK they'd completely trivialize the ISK-related portion of the game for any EVE players, or anyone with an established EVE-playing friend, or anyone who can otherwise get an EVE connection. Those people will never have to worry about ISK ever again, while the people with no EVE connection will continue to value ISK a lot, and have to be careful about dying, and so on.

So, the question, really, is why they would ever want to allow ISK transfers in the first place. Other than the notion that such a thing might be possible in the New Eden setting, what purpose would it serve other than to do a great deal of harm to Dust as a game? Considering that they've billed Dust as a game about being a mercenary, and everything having value, and every death mattering because you value your equipment, what sense would it make to allow a certain portion of the playerbase to acquire so much ISK that ISK basically becomes unimportant to them?

Unless CCP does a major overhaul of the ISK generation in Dust, and the price of all items, to somehow, magically, make Dust players earn the same as EVE players given the same amount of effort spent and the same time committed, I can't see why they'd ever just open the games to one-another monetarily. It serves no purpose and would do quite a lot of harm to Dust.

We are doing pvp, how fast can money be made in high sec pvp? I don't know the payout for suicide ganking but doubt it's very high.

In low sec pvp, I never made a profit, lost 20 million isk an hour or so. Low sec pve I made a nice profit to afford those loses, not enough to do pvp in eve and sent money to dust. Many other could though.

EvE incomes are also higher as you skill into more profitable things. At the beginning dust gives out more isk, it just stays there instead of going up over time. We may have something similar in dust we haven't seen yet.

Some form of isk transfer is intended, but ccp has some plan yet to be revealed to limit it. The unlimited stream of test server isk was not what will happen at launch.

EvE high sec mission payouts not counting lp store, we don't yet know if this will be included.
lv1 about 2.16million/hr including loot/salvage
lv2 about 2.91million/hr including loot/salvage
lv4 about 23.37million/hr including loot/salvage, this is with the equivalent of a officer hav with near max skills and best isk mods
lv4 about 35.35million/hr including loot/salvage, this is with the equivalent of a officer sagaris with aur/officer gear fit.

Once we can sell loot, have separate salvage and loot, lp stores, and pve missions the gap in isk gain between games will close somewhat.

Dont forget that there will be PVE in Dust, the amount of ISK we are getting in Dust isnt going to be our only option. In my opinion CCP should bump the cost of everything and make Dust a good ISK sink. Just like in EVE if you wanna pvp you have to support your habits with some carebearing.

More than that probably. A game in Dust takes 10 - 15 minutes or so, right? So 4 - 6 games an hour, making probably around 100k ISK profit per game in a good result. So let's say a Dust player makes 500k ISK an hour. That isn't anything close to what a you can make in an hour in EVE. The tax would have to be pretty ludicrously high, indeed.

But, yeah, I think a tax is probably the answer. At any rate, simply being able to transfer ISK from EVE to Dust on a 1:1 basis should never be allowed.

There's this assumption that you'll definitely be able to transfer unlimited amounts of ISK at some point in the future, from EVE into Dust. And note it's always the one direction people are talking about, and that tells you all you need to know. In EVE, you can make hundreds of millions without breaking a sweat. Some ratting, some mining, some PI, whatever. No big deal.

In Dust, how long would it take to make a similar amount? Long time. To make even 100 million in Dust, at ~100 - 150k ISK per game (if you're good and lose very little ISK) would require you to play hundreds of games. It would take a long, long time.

In other words, if they were to open up transferring ISK they'd completely trivialize the ISK-related portion of the game for any EVE players, or anyone with an established EVE-playing friend, or anyone who can otherwise get an EVE connection. Those people will never have to worry about ISK ever again, while the people with no EVE connection will continue to value ISK a lot, and have to be careful about dying, and so on.

So, the question, really, is why they would ever want to allow ISK transfers in the first place. Other than the notion that such a thing might be possible in the New Eden setting, what purpose would it serve other than to do a great deal of harm to Dust as a game? Considering that they've billed Dust as a game about being a mercenary, and everything having value, and every death mattering because you value your equipment, what sense would it make to allow a certain portion of the playerbase to acquire so much ISK that ISK basically becomes unimportant to them?

Unless CCP does a major overhaul of the ISK generation in Dust, and the price of all items, to somehow, magically, make Dust players earn the same as EVE players given the same amount of effort spent and the same time committed, I can't see why they'd ever just open the games to one-another monetarily. It serves no purpose and would do quite a lot of harm to Dust.

I think someone needs to interject while several people bring this point up, and mention that we're only really seeing the public matchmaking system's battles, which is the kind of battle you'll be fighting in HighSec. These are MEANT to be the chump-change battles.

Anyone in EVE want to confirm how easy it is to make a profit living in HighSec? Can you comfortably outstrip 500k ISK per hour there? If so, we might need tweaking on our DUST contract profits (and corresponding shifts in the cost of gear). If not, seems like this is probably working as intended.

I can make 20-25mil per hour semi afk mining.

I think someone needs to interject while several people bring this point up, and mention that we're only really seeing the public matchmaking system's battles, which is the kind of battle you'll be fighting in HighSec. These are MEANT to be the chump-change battles.

Anyone in EVE want to confirm how easy it is to make a profit living in HighSec? Can you comfortably outstrip 500k ISK per hour there? If so, we might need tweaking on our DUST contract profits (and corresponding shifts in the cost of gear). If not, seems like this is probably working as intended.

This sounds like a person scared of falling behind. there is aurum for a reason, why not spend $20 a month and get your aurum equipment. they presented side grades for a reason so that isk generation can be canceled out. However it may not completely cancel out, but you gain loot, you can do co-op stuff to make your isk, and your supposed to make a corp/join to get better contracts. Playing the game the way its intended is always a plus. New eden has darwin written all over it.

How does ISK get introduced into the EVE economy in the first place?

Trading and speculating are zero sum games. Someone wins at another's expense.

Is the monetary supply fixed, or is there an equivalent to the Federal Reserve who can print more?

Generally I would support a fully open economy between EVE/Dust. Having played EVE for several years now I am always amazed at the EVE market's ability to self correct. I don't think that adding Dust 514 to the mix would be as scary as people think. I also think that if Dust ever does reach the kind of end game seen in EVE then isk will be a very much secondary factor. Isk very rarely (if ever) is the determining factor in deciding major conflicts. Still as it stands now it looks to me like there need to be more isk faucets in Dust and Dust mercenaries need a way to be able to monetize their services better if linking the two economies was to work.