The only things that have changed are the +20% damage mod and smoother/slower flight physics.

The only things that have changed are the +20% damage mod and smoother/slower flight physics. Last build everyone was crying that the DS was underpowered.

I don't think people are realizing that the players doing good in DS this build are working together using mics with atleast 2 other people. If you had the best pilot in the world flying with randoms without a mic I can almost guarantee that the DS will be blown up that match. Plus if you get hit with decent swarms you will flip upside down and insta die.

With all that said I think the best way to move forward to making a balanced game is to...

1.) decrease missile damage by 20-30% (10-20%)
2.) increase swarm speed (no add different types of swarms lose one missiles add higher speed)
3.) direct pathing for swarms (100% yes)
4.) decreased damage and rocking effect of swarms (no no no!!!!)
5.) increase turn radius of swarms (decrease they shouldn't do 180 or 90 degree turns)
6.) decrease damage or fire rate of forge guns (no just remove there Target recital from turning red same with sniper rifles)

My credentials consist of flying dropships nonstop for last three builds and running av suits when on the ground

And all the damage boosting turret operation skills.

Decreasing damage by 20-30% is going to mean nothing, they need a huge drop. There's no reason for vehicles to be oneshotting infantry, unless we're talking max turret vs min suit.

All I use are the proto turrets. Costs me 240,000 isk for both of them, so I expect them to be devestating. However I also realize they are too OP, even though they cost as much as they do. There is nothing wrong with dropships, just the turrets and swarm launchers. Im just trying to start an intelligent conversation ccp can use to make this game better.

Swarm speed is fine- it's the pathing that's terrible; I actually got a good view of it on the overview map- the dropship made a sharp turn, then the swarms followed the direct path of the ship around the turn (if they would've veered slightly left instead of following the exact path, they would've hit the dropship head on).

I liked it when dropships were harder to fly, too- it made me feel like I was capable of a job not just anyone could do.

CCP made swarm tracking worse. I have played swarms every build and this is first one where they can't hit a drop ship unless there is lag.

I never had issues with drop ships previously. Any dropship pilot should stfu until swarms/dropships are fixed.

I like my aircraft agile and responsive. That means more difficult to master, but more capable once you do master them. Difficult for difficulties sake is not good.

HAV's were more overpowered than DS's back then. So people abused those. Now people who can't play go for dropships instead. It's a vicious cycle.

from what I have seen of the dropship they are supposed to be a medium trasport ship. The turrets are for clearing a hot drop zone and defensive pourpes. However since they are the only flying vehicle in the game right now they are being used as gunships. People forget that gunship duties are not the intended use of dropships.

For those guys that are complaining about the speed and power of small missle turrets I ask this: Have you ever been in an LAV in the turret and try and hit the heavies and assults that try and kill you? Or gunned in a dropship trying to hit guy while the DS is flying in circles avoiding the Swarms, fordge gunners and defenceive large turrets? I can tell you from a dedicated gunner that those hits are some of the hardest to get in the game.

HAV's were more overpowered than DS's back then. So people abused those. Now people who can't play go for dropships instead. It's a vicious cycle.

For those guys that are complaining about the speed and power of small missle turrets I ask this: Have you ever been in an LAV in the turret and try and hit the heavies and assults that try and kill you? Or gunned in a dropship trying to hit guy while the DS is flying in circles avoiding the Swarms, fordge gunners and defenceive large turrets? I can tell you from a dedicated gunner that those hits are some of the hardest to get in the game.

It's really not that hard at all. If your working with your pilot/driver effectively, then it's easy. You don't even need to hit the guys dead on, the splash destroys infantry.

To the OP. Did I just read that correctly? You want to nerf the forge gun? Why? Because it can kill you? Don't sit there and hover. If you were moving, shoot the guy that shot you down an ingame mail saying GJ, because it is not the easiest thing to do.

To the OP. Did I just read that correctly? You want to nerf the forge gun? Why? Because it can kill you? Don't sit there and hover. If you were moving, shoot the guy that shot you down an ingame mail saying GJ, because it is not the easiest thing to do.

As it stands the forge is pretty much the swiss army knife of Dust. It can AA, AV, AI, Snipe and Destroy installations. All for a few hundred thousand SP and very minimal skill and isk.

Minimal isk and sp?! I think dropping 150k isk per gun (that doesn't even start to include suit costs) and over a million sp and counting is far from minimal. People keep going after the wrong things to change. If you nerf the forge it will then unbalance against tanks.

Fix the swarms and give Dropships some of their flight ceiling back. Swarms need to fly faster, but they need to decrease the physics effect of them and shorten their flight duration. Also, give dropship missiles a limited flight time as well. I think it would be good to see skills that increase the flight time (range) and flight speed (DPS) of all missiles both swarms and vehicle, after they get tweaked of course.

Minimal isk and sp?! I think dropping 150k isk per gun (that doesn't even start to include suit costs) and over a million sp and counting is far from minimal. People keep going after the wrong things to change. If you nerf the forge it will then unbalance against tanks.