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Rendiff Jurr Black Omega Industrial 21	Posted - 2012.10.31 18:30:00 - [1] - Quote I'm not sure if I just suck or if maybe I've got something setup incorrectly but I can't seem to get a good aim on anyone. I'm constantly over/under correcting. It's really taking the fun out of the game. I'm not new to FPS games, I've been playing them since 007 and I've never had this much trouble.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1591	Posted - 2012.10.31 18:33:00 - [2] - Quote If you are shooting someone and you have them dead in your sights, strafe left to right instead of moving the direction stick. Maybe that will help.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.10.31 18:41:00 - [3] - Quote Could be a result of some issues that have been going on lately with lag and hit detection. Thankfully next build will be entirely fixes.
Super Cargo Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 428	Posted - 2012.10.31 18:42:00 - [4] - Quote Rendiff Jurr wrote: I'm not sure if I just suck or if maybe I've got something setup incorrectly but I can't seem to get a good aim on anyone. I'm constantly over/under correcting. It's really taking the fun out of the game. I'm not new to FPS games, I've been playing them since 007 and I've never had this much trouble. Weapons such as assault rifles, laser rifles, snipers, and smgs are hit-scan, meaning that all you have to do is point straight at the target. No leading required.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.10.31 18:50:00 - [5] - Quote I was being polite. You should have heard my QQ on comms :P
Nstomper Th3-ReSiStAnCe-SEC.0 205	Posted - 2012.10.31 18:55:00 - [6] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: I was being polite. You should have heard my QQ on comms :P Bet it was annoying as f""""""" , they need a mute player option
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.10.31 18:57:00 - [7] - Quote Diaf. Scrub.
Nstomper Th3-ReSiStAnCe-SEC.0 205	Posted - 2012.10.31 19:02:00 - [8] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: Nstomper wrote: Tony Calif wrote: I was being polite. You should have heard my QQ on comms :P Bet it was annoying as f""""""" , they need a mute player option Diaf. Like this time a dude was raging cause he was terrible with laser rifles , I had to get on my mike to cuss the dude out because he didn't stfu , would be simpler just to have a mute option
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.10.31 19:03:00 - [9] - Quote There is a mute option you complete idiot. Like I say, DIAF. You add nothing to the Dust514 experience.
Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.10.31 19:41:00 - [10] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: I was being polite. You should have heard my QQ on comms :P yea almost had me crying with him. Also get good tony you scrub

Shiro Mokuzan GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 106	Posted - 2012.10.31 19:48:00 - [11] - Quote Nstomper wrote: Tony Calif wrote: I was being polite. You should have heard my QQ on comms :P Bet it was annoying as f""""""" , they need a mute player option There is a mute function for voice comms. There's also an ignore function on these forums.
EnIgMa99 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 219	Posted - 2012.10.31 19:59:00 - [12] - Quote Super Cargo wrote: Rendiff Jurr wrote: I'm not sure if I just suck or if maybe I've got something setup incorrectly but I can't seem to get a good aim on anyone. I'm constantly over/under correcting. It's really taking the fun out of the game. I'm not new to FPS games, I've been playing them since 007 and I've never had this much trouble. Weapons such as assault rifles, laser rifles, snipers, and smgs are hit-scan, meaning that all you have to do is point straight at the target. No leading required. The AR you have to lead
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.10.31 20:32:00 - [13] - Quote @Enigma AR is hit scan but it's done server side I am almost 100% sure. The leading your target side of things is almost certainly latency. Hence the shield flash triggered locally maybe. @Sha Crying with laughter you git :P
Crimson MoonV Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 658	Posted - 2012.10.31 21:42:00 - [14] - Quote Last time I tried to play the game it was completely unplayable. Today I played on the eu server and frame rate felt a little better but hit detection was **** and I kept getting lag spikes. I honestly can't stand losing gear because of a lag spike. Instead of giving myself a headache I think I am just going to take a short break from dust until next build.
RIMSICLE BLUMPKIN 24	Posted - 2012.10.31 21:50:00 - [15] - Quote Crimson MoonV wrote: Last time I tried to play the game it was completely unplayable. Today I played on the eu server and frame rate felt a little better but hit detection was **** and I kept getting lag spikes. I honestly can't stand losing gear because of a lag spike. Instead of giving myself a headache I think I am just going to take a short break from dust until next build. You and thousands of others. I've found the best way to play this carp is not to play it.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1058	Posted - 2012.10.31 22:08:00 - [16] - Quote First, you might want to turn sensitivity down a little (by turning it up- I heard that the lower the number, the more sensitive it is, and vice versa) Also: if you're having problems with accuracy, I would suggest using a burst assault rifle- last build, it had a much tighter spread than other ARs (this build, they all shoot perfectly in a line), higher damage because you'll hit less, and since it's burst and not single shot, you can still spray a little for fast-moving targets.
Rendiff Jurr Black Omega Industrial 21	Posted - 2012.10.31 22:25:00 - [17] - Quote Well I'm glad I'm not the only one having issues. I normally prefer the PC and Xbox, so I kinda figured that maybe I was just having an issue with the PS3 (I've never liked the controller), I bought an Xbox style controller for the PS3 but that hasn't seemed to help much. I have been leading with the cross hairs so that could definitely be part of the problem.
Ima Leet Imperfects Negative-Feedback 321	Posted - 2012.10.31 22:57:00 - [18] - Quote Rendiff Jurr wrote: I'm not sure if I just suck or if maybe I've got something setup incorrectly but I can't seem to get a good aim on anyone. I'm constantly over/under correcting. It's really taking the fun out of the game. I'm not new to FPS games, I've been playing them since 007 and I've never had this much trouble. not just you, CCP needs to tighten up the controls all around. not just with the analog sticks but also with the R2 button with switching weapons, it all seems too sloppy to me. Tony Calif wrote: It's not you. I have turned from a good player into a giant ***** super scrub. Cant hit anything. I don't know if it's connection or what. I can't be arsed. The game is NOT improving in anyway and I just can't be bothered sitting through more months of ** hit detection, lag and frame rate drops. Pile of **. yea, i felt decent last build, this build its like i had to relearn dust all over again and yes, i'm glad i'm not the only one
Zekain Kade BetaMax. 931	Posted - 2012.11.01 02:18:00 - [19] - Quote Rendiff Jurr wrote: I'm not sure if I just suck or if maybe I've got something setup incorrectly but I can't seem to get a good aim on anyone. I'm constantly over/under correcting. It's really taking the fun out of the game. I'm not new to FPS games, I've been playing them since 007 and I've never had this much trouble. it's hit scan, you have to aim right at them to hit them. No leading necessary.
frfqq Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 81	Posted - 2012.11.01 03:57:00 - [20] - Quote Nobody, not even the best of the best, can consistently stay on target with analog sticks, especially in a laggy, stuttery game like Dust. You're not alone. I've seen gameplay from top players that reveal them erratically swinging their camera all over the place while their opponent strafes around Quake style...

Bug1 Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2012.11.01 06:10:00 - [21] - Quote I found that once i had the weapon skill to 5 it was much easier to aim.
AltTest Doomheim 21	Posted - 2012.11.01 10:30:00 - [22] - Quote It's because CCP won't correct the ******* deadzone on the sensitivity that's been here since the first build. CCP, most incompetent developers of all time.
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 288	Posted - 2012.11.01 11:20:00 - [23] - Quote Rendiff Jurr wrote: I'm not sure if I just suck or if maybe I've got something setup incorrectly but I can't seem to get a good aim on anyone. I'm constantly over/under correcting. It's really taking the fun out of the game. I'm not new to FPS games, I've been playing them since 007 and I've never had this much trouble. This games aiming is absolutely horrible, and it is definitely not just you. I have been playing console FPS games since at least 1997 (007 Goldeneye), and I have to fight the controls 100% of the time in this game when I play. I think luck has more to do with how well I perform than skill, in terms of aiming. Some players are able to cope with the extremely awful aiming, including players in my corp... but that doesn't excuse the fact that the aiming mechanics in Dust 514 are one of the worst of any game I have ever played, including Killzone 2 when it first came out (worst console aiming game of all time, with Far Cry 2 in second place).
Adeptus Ezekiel Bragian Order Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2012.11.01 11:22:00 - [24] - Quote The microfreezes in close combat are a nightmare. Its not much consolation to know the enemy likely is having the same problems. I don't mind being killed if I simply screwed up, which happens a lot, but after sneaking up into one shot kill range and then being hit with lag for long enough for them to open fire is really pissing me off (or alternatively it just has enough effect for the weapon to jerk from side to side and completely miss the enemy while warning them i'm there )
D'Finn Rhedlyne Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 266	Posted - 2012.11.01 12:35:00 - [25] - Quote I got to say that, yesterday, I just could not hit anybody even at close range, shotgun/AR/smg my aim was all over the place. So I resorted to a spot of sniping, same issue, just about to red dot that shiny helmet and aim skipped past target. I messed around with X/Y sensitivity to no avail. Eventually, I just got my S/L out and chased down LAV's and tanks or shot at dropships (just to watch the pretty lights in the sky!) Something is defo off and needs to be addressed ASAP.
Rendiff Jurr Black Omega Industrial 21	Posted - 2012.11.01 18:52:00 - [26] - Quote I've tried messing with the X&Y sensitivity as well as turning "aim assist" on and off. None of it seems to make much of a difference. Either way aiming is terrible, staying on target is extremely difficult. If that wasn't bad enough since they've reduced the amount of isk you get for each round I'm stuck with the standard equipment. The game still plays more like an Alpha than a Beta. The Beta is supposed to fix minor flaws and weed out bugs. But there is still major work to be done in the game. CCP has a bad habit of pulling the trigger on things too soon, I hope for their sake they're not planning on releasing this to the general public any time soon.
Rendiff Jurr Black Omega Industrial 21	Posted - 2012.11.01 22:24:00 - [27] - Quote Has anyone seen a major difference between using the keyboard/mouse setup versus the controller?
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 132	Posted - 2012.11.02 03:28:00 - [28] - Quote I ve posted about this problem multiple times. To me it seems that things got a little better since last patch but still there are 'deadzone' and skipping sensitivity issues. One fact that is useful for new players is that X/Y sensitivity scale is reversed - 0 mad sensitivity, 100 % slow reticle movement but better control.
angelarch Algintal Core Gallente Federation 93	Posted - 2012.11.02 05:29:00 - [29] - Quote Rendiff Jurr wrote: Has anyone seen a major difference between using the keyboard/mouse setup versus the controller? as far as hit detection i haven't noticed a real different between mouse or controller. If it is bad on one, it is bad on the other in my experience. The micro-freezes are what is really driving me mad lately. And they always happen to me right when something important comes into view, as if the game suddenly has to draw something new and the PS3 can't handle it. . . like coming around a corner to shoot someone, freeze, unfreeze, i'm already dead. - drive at high speed around some rocks to race by a blockade of mercs, freeze as soon as they come into view, unfreeze now my steering is sideways and the LAV is stuck right in front of the group of reds-- click- i'm dead. - climb up the stairs to ambush reds at the null cannon, freeze, unfreeze, i'm already dead. OMG it's driving me nuts. . .
Sergeant Wiznowski Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 38	Posted - 2012.11.02 08:54:00 - [30] - Quote Yep. Controls fells like worse version of aiming lag on the release of BF3 for me. I am overshotting and over correcting all the time. Hard to say if it's acceleration curves, deadzone, or aiming lag but definitely it is off. Add to that slow movement and turning, too long granade throw animations and R2 "wheel of laggy switching disaster" and FPS fans might not be pleased at all.

JACK THE R1PPER Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 84	Posted - 2012.11.02 12:27:00 - [31] - Quote Sergeant Wiznowski wrote: Yep. Controls fells like worse version of aiming lag on the release of BF3 for me. I am overshotting and over correcting all the time. Hard to say if it's acceleration curves, deadzone, or aiming lag but definitely it is off. Add to that slow movement and turning, too long granade throw animations and R2 "wheel of laggy switching disaster" and FPS fans might not be pleased at all. Haven't you heard, ask any of the forum dwellers, sorry I mean EVE players. This is not an FPS, it's an MMO, or an RPG, or an MMORPG. Or very occasionally an MMORPGFPS. I suggest you HTFU, leave your stuff at the door, without letting it hit you on the way out. Get out of New Eden because CCP have their own way of doing things, adapt or die. Go back to COD console fanboi.
Sergeant Wiznowski Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 38	Posted - 2012.11.02 14:31:00 - [32] - Quote Hue hue. Yes indeed, us Console Peasants like tight action on our DualShocks. Not like some Pc Master Race with their sloppy mouse actions. We will gank CCP about that with our superior advantage in numbers and ability to create milions of post on that. Mark my words heathens it will start on a launch day ! Unless of course CCP will adapt and meet our reasonable demands.
Rendiff Jurr Black Omega Industrial 21	Posted - 2012.11.05 15:39:00 - [33] - Quote JACK THE R1PPER wrote: Sergeant Wiznowski wrote: Yep. Controls fells like worse version of aiming lag on the release of BF3 for me. I am overshotting and over correcting all the time. Hard to say if it's acceleration curves, deadzone, or aiming lag but definitely it is off. Add to that slow movement and turning, too long granade throw animations and R2 "wheel of laggy switching disaster" and FPS fans might not be pleased at all. Haven't you heard, ask any of the forum dwellers, sorry I mean EVE players. This is not an FPS, it's an MMO, or an RPG, or an MMORPG. Or very occasionally an MMORPGFPS. I suggest you HTFU, leave your stuff at the door, without letting it hit you on the way out. Get out of New Eden because CCP have their own way of doing things, adapt or die. Go back to COD console fanboi. Well thing is, this game is being targeted at a mass console audience, if it's going to be successful it has to come more in line with other "AAA" titles currently available. It occurred to me the other day that maybe the PS3 itself is partly to blame. The system is over 5 years old now, maybe we're reaching the limits of what the hardware is capable of. Aside from aging hardware all of CCP's servers in London, so anything we do here US side has to go across the Trans-Atlantic cable system along with tons of other traffic.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.11.05 15:45:00 - [34] - Quote MAG managed 256 players in the same game. If Dust can't manage similar numbers on the same hardware, I have serious doubt about the lifespan of Dust.
Hehaw Jimbo Bragian Order Amarr Empire 46	Posted - 2012.11.06 00:52:00 - [35] - Quote The sad part is, everyone (seemingly even CCP) says "Oh next build the aiming/hit detection/lag will be fixed!". However, they have said this EVERY build, and half the time it has been WORSE in the next build. I'm done with this game for the time being, it is a beta and I can put up with all of the balance issues and such, but when the game has been in "closed beta that anyone can get into by preordering" for nearly a year, and the basics still don't work, that's where I throw in the towel. I can't count the number of times I've been lining up a shot, microfreeze right before I have a bead on them, and when the microfreeze is over I'm 2 inches past them. Usually at this point I'm half dead even if I got the drop on them because of **** poor performance.
SILENTSAM 69 Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 421	Posted - 2012.11.06 02:33:00 - [36] - Quote I didn't read to see if anyone already said this, but... When changing the sensitivity settings 0 is fastest and 100 is slowest. This messes with a lot of people trying to adjust their sensitivity.
Rendiff Jurr Black Omega Industrial 21	Posted - 2012.11.06 04:11:00 - [37] - Quote SILENTSAM 69 wrote: I didn't read to see if anyone already said this, but... When changing the sensitivity settings 0 is fastest and 100 is slowest. This messes with a lot of people trying to adjust their sensitivity. Yeah it seems there problems persist no matter what the setting is. 30 seems to be the best for me, but there are still a bunch of other issues.
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 288	Posted - 2012.11.06 05:07:00 - [38] - Quote Rendiff Jurr wrote: It occurred to me the other day that maybe the PS3 itself is partly to blame. The system is over 5 years old now, maybe we're reaching the limits of what the hardware is capable of. Have you ever played Killzone 2 or Killzone 3? The Uncharted series? The PS3 has proven to be able to pull off some pretty amazing games in terms of graphics, complexity, and performance... Dust 514, in it's current, could probably run smoothly on the PS2 if the coding was correct and they didn't use the Unreal engine. Although to be fair to the engine, Mass Effect 2 looks and runs beautifully, and it uses some form of Unreal. So the potential is there for this game to run and look amazing on our aging console, CCP just needs to iron out the kinks in their code. With the PS3's limited ability, there is very little room for bad coding, because it simply cannot compensate without having detrimental effects on the gameplay (ie like the severe frame-rate problems). Because there is nothing about this game right now that even remotely hints that it is going beyond what the PS3 is capable of doing, unless you count inefficient/poor coding which requires more horsepower from the PS3 to run it. As for the controls, well controls have very little to do with hardware, I could have a FPS game on the NES with smoother and better aiming than Dust.
frfqq Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 81	Posted - 2012.11.06 06:51:00 - [39] - Quote This problem isn't hit detection...the hit detection has been improved tremendously. The problem is that stuttery, laggy gameplay and jerky movement make it difficult for anyone to keep their camera on target. This in combination with high health, high movement speeds, and glitchy bumpy terrain that is extremely easy to get stuck on makes getting kills unnecessarily difficult and makes this game very frustrating....
JaZZa01 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 81	Posted - 2012.11.07 01:07:00 - [40] - Quote SILENTSAM 69 wrote: I didn't read to see if anyone already said this, but... When changing the sensitivity settings 0 is fastest and 100 is slowest. This messes with a lot of people trying to adjust their sensitivity. Thanks for the tip. The deadzone is still terrible though.



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