3. AV nades - you pull the pin it should blow up, not sit ther and wait 20mins until a tank/LAV passes it by. It makes AV mines useless since you are restricted to how many you can put down when compared to an AV nade minefield

8. Armor vs shield - Anyone can use the SL on any suit so its the most common used AV but the bad new for armor drivers is that it causes most DPS against armor, if point 7 was in it wouldnt be so bad tbh and make it a viable option

1. Take away the extra 20% buff that the SL got, it was already put back to how it used to be

2. SL missiles should not be able to bend around corners when you are already behind cover, i see like 12 missiles heading for me so i back around the hill and half the missiles will then stick on the road and follow it around until they hit me. TBH its pure BS these missiles can turn quicker than an LAV, what is the point of having cover when they can avoid cover and go around it even if you was already behind cover in the 1st place

3. AV nades - you pull the pin it should blow up, not sit ther and wait 20mins until a tank/LAV passes it by. It makes AV mines useless since you are restricted to how many you can put down when compared to an AV nade minefield

4. Forge guns vs railguns - Forge gun is damn accurate and has a nice spalsh damage to boot and can take on infantry where as the tanks version has been made purly for anti tank roles so why does the forge gun get away with being infantry and AV? Shouldnt it be AV only tbh so that the heavy has to have support from MI so he doesnt get shot up

5. Dropships - Shouldnt be able to fly around in circles avoiding missiles, its BS when you see a dropship with 30missiles following it

6. Shield resistance/Armor resistance/damage control mods - They got whacked with the nerf bat and currently are not worth using tbh, if they got brought back to original levels then it would give more options for HAV drivers

7. Armor active resistance mods - we should have them tbh, give armor HAV users the same options as shield HAV drivers

8. Armor vs shield - Anyone can use the SL on any suit so its the most common used AV but the bad new for armor drivers is that it causes most DPS against armor, if point 7 was in it wouldnt be so bad tbh and make it a viable option


All i can think of atm tbh

Aye for the above! Nay for the rest!

So you want tanks to stay as paper then?

TBH i havnt seen any other tanks in any of my matches at all, all these awesome tank drivers all left when the tank got whacked with the nerf bat

Some guy dropped 5 milita tanks yday and i give him credit for that because he lost 4 to me in mine but i havent seen a proper tank since the reset

But HAV have been taken out of the game mostly, even with MI support the tank itself is like paper

TBH tanks are just perfect the way they are right now! I drive 2 tanks, a shield and an armor and even though I have been taken out by militia swarms, I still think they should remain the way they are. The reason I was taken out is because;- one I got too cocky and two the opponents were working together. No shame in being taken out that way.

Tanks are not supposed to be awesome! Tanks and infantry working together are supposed to be awesome! Last night my squad and I were playing against a group from SI and WTF. Within the first minute of the game I took out one of SIs tanks and got Ty Borgs tank down to half shields. But then WTF and SI grouped together and diluted every attempt my squad and I did to take out Ty's Gunlogi. It was good gameplay from SI and WTF.

There are tankers and good tanks out there. But tanks alone dont win battles! You need infantry!

Tell me this once you've got the marauder skill maxed out :D
It's 5mil for the book.

You make a some good points.

The AV 'nade spam need to change. The SL missile turning on a penny needs to change. and shield/armor balance.

As for the rest it seems your mad that your tank ins't invincible anymore. However a good tank is still a huge threat and if properly supported by the team fielding it it is near invincible. Lonewolf tanks are still invincible unless there are a few AV guys working together on it. The shield/armor modules still give bonus's so better to have them than not.

All the tank drivers actually switched to Tactical Assault Rifles, they will switch to the new flavour of the month OP'd piece of equipement soon now the Tactical rifle is fixed.

The good tank drivers still drive tanks.

We're 2 weeks into a built with severly gimped SP gain do you really expect to see invincible tanks being fielded yet?

Which one is marauder? is tht armor?

The Armor tank is a MudRUGAR not maRAUDER. A Marauder is either a Surya or Sagaris.

A tank isnt a tank if i cannot do its job

Half the time my tank is on the run even if i have all gunners slots filled with MI support because a guy spamming SL up on the hill is enough to back me off, i try to go in front blap a few things and cover my infantry instead i find an AV minefield and a guy spamming the milita SL so its safer for me to come in behind the MI which isnt the point of a tank

1 guy with milita SL? are you serious my tank should shrugg tht off like its nothing

You can have a 50k AV fit or less even and destroy a tank worth half a mil or even the 1.3mil tanks excluding the mods on your own

Thats not a tank thats free pts and free kills

That game you were in had 8ppl combined, at least 4 would be after you which is fine they worked together but you dont even need that, 1 guy on his own can kill a tank no problem

Then its not 5mil for the book, its 1mil for the book and you need HAV lvl3

Skills cap is kicking ym arse for that i need a total combined total of 700k to reach the Sagaris atm but that means avoiding a few things to get to it 1st

Marauder skillbook isn't needed to drive Marauders, but it gives them a 4% damage buff per level. Way worth it.

True! And a tank is mainly to support infantry not be the infantry! You take any major tank battle;- its main objective is to suppress the enemy so that the infantry can push forward.



This just means your gunners dont know what to do. If I were your gunner and someone was swarming your tank, I would jump out and shoot the swarmer in the face! Most blue dot gunners I have seen love to stay in the tank till its blown up or steal it! A tip: Have a sniper as a gunner and stay away from the blue dots!



True but you can have a guy with a militia loadout take out the guy with the 50 K AV outfit. If someone is firing at your tank, his focus is on your tank and nothing else. If should be easy to take him out!



It doesnt matter if its 8 people or 16 people! A good squad of 3 or 4 should be able to hold a choke point! The lesson learned by my squad mates was to invest in skills that would help defend choke points!

Its not ment to be invincable but its not ment to be paper to milita gear either, it should require at least some investment into AV not lets use the very basic AV stuff we got to kill a 600k tank

Good tank drivers? point them out plz because all i see is my tank since everyone dropped them when they stopped becoming the I win button which they were after the AV nerf

Ty "Sweetcheeks" borg or something like that is one i remember but there are a few around this build still.

I get regularly stomped by Tank, but serves me right for stalking them with nowt but 3 AV nades. i just hope for someone else on the team to be gunning for them at the same time. But the tank isnt OP'd because he can kill my Assault load out.

AV is there to kill tanks if they are doing that then they are doing there job, Tanks can kill everything on the field but may die if going solo so they are doing there job.

The balancing of a game like this is around team mechanics not balancing every weapon to do the same damage and be viable against every other weapon.

As assault I need to avoid good shotgun scouts, tanks, dropship LAVs running me over, Heavies, actually TDLR everything build can kill me 1 v 1 if the oponent has some skill and plays there role well. Does that make Assault/AR is underpowered because i can die.

Sniper can be killed by everything, Heavies can be killed by everything. LAV can be killed by anyone with AV nades or any AV fit.

Dropships require dedicated AV, and Tanks require dedicated AV.

Tanks have it easy and if piloted well and supported are near invincible, that "SL weilding Tank melter" dies when hit in the head with an AR. Where was your AR support? A sniper can 1 shot alot of "SL weilding Tank melter" where was you sniper support? A heavy HMG could rip that "SL weilding Tank melter" apart in seconds where was your heavy support?

No Support Tank = Dead

Support = SL guy has issues.

So 1 guy is still able to kill a tank with next to no SP investement at all and with little risk to himself with a big reward?

This is taking into account that it seems to need 4 ppl to get the 1 SL milita guy, i wouldnt mind if the guy had advanced/proto gear but the fact is the majority dont even bother

1. Take away the extra 20% buff that the SL got, it was already put back to how it used to be

2. SL missiles should not be able to bend around corners when you are already behind cover, i see like 12 missiles heading for me so i back around the hill and half the missiles will then stick on the road and follow it around until they hit me. TBH its pure BS these missiles can turn quicker than an LAV, what is the point of having cover when they can avoid cover and go around it even if you was already behind cover in the 1st place

3. AV nades - you pull the pin it should blow up, not sit ther and wait 20mins until a tank/LAV passes it by. It makes AV mines useless since you are restricted to how many you can put down when compared to an AV nade minefield

4. Forge guns vs railguns - Forge gun is damn accurate and has a nice spalsh damage to boot and can take on infantry where as the tanks version has been made purly for anti tank roles so why does the forge gun get away with being infantry and AV? Shouldnt it be AV only tbh so that the heavy has to have support from MI so he doesnt get shot up

5. Dropships - Shouldnt be able to fly around in circles avoiding missiles, its BS when you see a dropship with 30missiles following it

6. Shield resistance/Armor resistance/damage control mods - They got whacked with the nerf bat and currently are not worth using tbh, if they got brought back to original levels then it would give more options for HAV drivers

7. Armor active resistance mods - we should have them tbh, give armor HAV users the same options as shield HAV drivers

8. Armor vs shield - Anyone can use the SL on any suit so its the most common used AV but the bad new for armor drivers is that it causes most DPS against armor, if point 7 was in it wouldnt be so bad tbh and make it a viable option


All i can think of atm tbh

No changes are necessary to these mods. The nerf was needed due to tanks having 10,000+ HP potential.

IRL, you can kill a tank with an RPG. It isn't because the RPG is OMGHAX, it is simply because that is what the RPG is designed to do, with the downside of being heavy and inconvenient to use on foot-mobiles. I see nothing wrong with the current two AV weapon's balance.

@EnglishSnake With the shield hardener available it is not necessary to have 25% shield resist once the AV grenade exploit is fixed. However, given the vulnerability of the armor tank to SL, it may be ideal to return the resist armor module to a max 25%. An increase in turning speed/acceleration may also be acceptable for the armor tank (Overdrives appear to have no effect).

None of the prop mods seem to work at all in general

25% shield resist is pure passive, atm most you can have is 15% per one or a 30% for 10sec but 30sec cooldown, while it may be benefical for AV nades what about forge guns if they become more popular?

That means armor gets the bonus and advantage, as for increased turning and acc armor weights more espc with the plates so until the prop mods are fixed they cant be on equal terms with the shield for movement

IRL, you can kill a tank with an RPG. It isn't because the RPG is OMGHAX, it is simply because that is what the RPG is designed to do, with the downside of being heavy and inconvenient to use on foot-mobiles. I see nothing wrong with the current two AV weapon's balance.

AV is now a landmine.

So 1 guy is still able to kill a tank with next to no SP investement at all and with little risk to himself with a big reward?

This is taking into account that it seems to need 4 ppl to get the 1 SL milita guy, i wouldnt mind if the guy had advanced/proto gear but the fact is the majority dont even bother

A small, hard to detect mine with a unexplained attraction to vehicle hulls.

Magnet, I know science fiction is OP'd oh wait google just told me they exist already

Every militia weapon can kill the enemy. Why should tank be immune to milita. Since your probably talkin about a milita tank too.


I've put 2 mil SP into AR. Why do I die when a militia weapon shoots me?

If the tank is sat in the open thinking he's god then a milita SL should very well destroy him.


1guy with a militia SL will not kill a fully supported tank. SL guy needs to hit you 3/4 times. You hit him 1 time he's dead end of. You have the upper hand. He can fire at you. You and 2 gunners can fire at him. If he's causing you an issue you ain't doing it right.

So how did you get into a fully Proto fit tank with the SP cap? And even if you are why should proto be immune to militia.

As a tank you have very few threats, use cover use team mates and tanks are fine.

True! And a tank is mainly to support infantry not be the infantry! You take any major tank battle;- its main objective is to suppress the enemy so that the infantry can push forward.



This just means your gunners dont know what to do. If I were your gunner and someone was swarming your tank, I would jump out and shoot the swarmer in the face! Most blue dot gunners I have seen love to stay in the tank till its blown up or steal it! A tip: Have a sniper as a gunner and stay away from the blue dots!



True but you can have a guy with a militia loadout take out the guy with the 50 K AV outfit. If someone is firing at your tank, his focus is on your tank and nothing else. If should be easy to take him out!



It doesnt matter if its 8 people or 16 people! A good squad of 3 or 4 should be able to hold a choke point! The lesson learned by my squad mates was to invest in skills that would help defend choke points!

Milita tanks dying to milita stuff is fine since its equal just like proto kills proto stuff

Im on about 1 milita guy being able to cause serious damage to a gunlogi or even the sagaris on his own with very little invested in skills

Milita gear is ther to be used but really it should scratch the paintwork at best, if milita can do just a good as job as AV then why bother really skilling up for anything higher which costs more isk and SP

I dont skill up anything apart from if its tank releated

I use milita everything except on a tank and do okay with it and destroy tanks with milita it if the rare one appears use milita weapons and mods and do okayish, i dont expect to do well because i havnt invested points into weapons or better mods and equipment so i dont always expect to kill

As for is it a 'milita AV guy' it mostly is i can tell these days but ther is the odd person who i think does use advanced or so or prob the AUR ones if ther is any and they are turning up a bit more plus you can tell by the number of missiles which are fired and i count them as they turn the corner to hit my HAV as its behind the cover of a mountain

Plus i havnt lost a tank in days tbh except when the framerate dropped to 1 and it got blown up while my screen was frozen which i dont count for obv reasons because i couldnt do anything while frozen

Going for RL examples now?

Challenger 2 tank i think took a combined total of 14 RPGs and the occupants inside survived

1. Take away the extra 20% buff that the SL got, it was already put back to how it used to be

2. SL missiles should not be able to bend around corners when you are already behind cover, i see like 12 missiles heading for me so i back around the hill and half the missiles will then stick on the road and follow it around until they hit me. TBH its pure BS these missiles can turn quicker than an LAV, what is the point of having cover when they can avoid cover and go around it even if you was already behind cover in the 1st place

3. AV nades - you pull the pin it should blow up, not sit ther and wait 20mins until a tank/LAV passes it by. It makes AV mines useless since you are restricted to how many you can put down when compared to an AV nade minefield

4. Forge guns vs railguns - Forge gun is damn accurate and has a nice spalsh damage to boot and can take on infantry where as the tanks version has been made purly for anti tank roles so why does the forge gun get away with being infantry and AV? Shouldnt it be AV only tbh so that the heavy has to have support from MI so he doesnt get shot up

5. Dropships - Shouldnt be able to fly around in circles avoiding missiles, its BS when you see a dropship with 30missiles following it

6. Shield resistance/Armor resistance/damage control mods - They got whacked with the nerf bat and currently are not worth using tbh, if they got brought back to original levels then it would give more options for HAV drivers

7. Armor active resistance mods - we should have them tbh, give armor HAV users the same options as shield HAV drivers

8. Armor vs shield - Anyone can use the SL on any suit so its the most common used AV but the bad new for armor drivers is that it causes most DPS against armor, if point 7 was in it wouldnt be so bad tbh and make it a viable option

9. AV mines/nades - They cannot be destroyed, i can see them and i fire at them with my large missile turret and they shrug it off like i hit them with air, nades should go off after 5 seconds anyways like i covered but mines should be destroyed with any type of weapon when you fire at it tbh, they are not a hardened structure a mile under the ground its a damn mine

10. Turret on the front of the HAV - If an LAV hits the front of your HAV at full speed while your pretty much at full speed or so it will blow up but it will take the guy in the front turret also, he is in the tank tho he should not die since he is protected by my shields and armor

11. Swarm Launcher - Should not be able to lock on through the mountain so when you pop up you can instantly spam your missiles and then hide again and rinse and repeat

12. Vehicle controls - I would like to swap them about tbh, R2/L2 for forward and reverse, R1/L1 kept the same, Left analog kept for direction, R3 for turret movement, the booster would also move moved to R3 then when the wheel pops up you flick it in the direction of the booster you want to use and it activates - Either way i would think it be better if we could have alternate controls because frankly moving the tank about while firing the main turret screws up your direction

13. Reversing in a HAV - the camera should change so it shows you where you are reversing instead of basically guessing and praying ther isnt a bunch of rocks you will hit or some other crap which is littered about, i cant turn my turret around quick enough either and when i do turn my turret for some reason it also changes my direction


All i can think of atm tbh

18. AUR items and mods for vehicles - Dropsuits have them so why dont use vehicle users get some aswell, maybe and just maybe an extra AUR tank which has diff stats etc

I dont see why we cannot have AUR items for vehicles at least for mods

There used to be AUR turrets for vehicles but got removed on Codex. One of the large turrets used to go for 360 AUR.

3. AV nades - you pull the pin it should blow up, not sit ther and wait 20mins until a tank/LAV passes it by. It makes AV mines useless since you are restricted to how many you can put down when compared to an AV nade minefield - FIXED

What is happening to them now? They explode instantly?