Aye for the above! Nay for the rest!

TBH tanks are just perfect the way they are right now! I drive 2 tanks, a shield and an armor and even though I have been taken out by militia swarms, I still think they should remain the way they are. The reason I was taken out is because;- one I got too cocky and two the opponents were working together. No shame in being taken out that way.

Tanks are not supposed to be awesome! Tanks and infantry working together are supposed to be awesome! Last night my squad and I were playing against a group from SI and WTF. Within the first minute of the game I took out one of SIs tanks and got Ty Borgs tank down to half shields. But then WTF and SI grouped together and diluted every attempt my squad and I did to take out Ty's Gunlogi. It was good gameplay from SI and WTF.

There are tankers and good tanks out there. But tanks alone dont win battles! You need infantry!

Tell me this once you've got the marauder skill maxed out :D
It's 5mil for the book.

You make a some good points.

The AV 'nade spam need to change. The SL missile turning on a penny needs to change. and shield/armor balance.

As for the rest it seems your mad that your tank ins't invincible anymore. However a good tank is still a huge threat and if properly supported by the team fielding it it is near invincible. Lonewolf tanks are still invincible unless there are a few AV guys working together on it. The shield/armor modules still give bonus's so better to have them than not.

All the tank drivers actually switched to Tactical Assault Rifles, they will switch to the new flavour of the month OP'd piece of equipement soon now the Tactical rifle is fixed.

The good tank drivers still drive tanks.

We're 2 weeks into a built with severly gimped SP gain do you really expect to see invincible tanks being fielded yet?

The Armor tank is a MudRUGAR not maRAUDER. A Marauder is either a Surya or Sagaris.

Marauder skillbook isn't needed to drive Marauders, but it gives them a 4% damage buff per level. Way worth it.

True! And a tank is mainly to support infantry not be the infantry! You take any major tank battle;- its main objective is to suppress the enemy so that the infantry can push forward.



This just means your gunners dont know what to do. If I were your gunner and someone was swarming your tank, I would jump out and shoot the swarmer in the face! Most blue dot gunners I have seen love to stay in the tank till its blown up or steal it! A tip: Have a sniper as a gunner and stay away from the blue dots!



True but you can have a guy with a militia loadout take out the guy with the 50 K AV outfit. If someone is firing at your tank, his focus is on your tank and nothing else. If should be easy to take him out!



It doesnt matter if its 8 people or 16 people! A good squad of 3 or 4 should be able to hold a choke point! The lesson learned by my squad mates was to invest in skills that would help defend choke points!

Ty "Sweetcheeks" borg or something like that is one i remember but there are a few around this build still.

I get regularly stomped by Tank, but serves me right for stalking them with nowt but 3 AV nades. i just hope for someone else on the team to be gunning for them at the same time. But the tank isnt OP'd because he can kill my Assault load out.

AV is there to kill tanks if they are doing that then they are doing there job, Tanks can kill everything on the field but may die if going solo so they are doing there job.

The balancing of a game like this is around team mechanics not balancing every weapon to do the same damage and be viable against every other weapon.

As assault I need to avoid good shotgun scouts, tanks, dropship LAVs running me over, Heavies, actually TDLR everything build can kill me 1 v 1 if the oponent has some skill and plays there role well. Does that make Assault/AR is underpowered because i can die.

Sniper can be killed by everything, Heavies can be killed by everything. LAV can be killed by anyone with AV nades or any AV fit.

Dropships require dedicated AV, and Tanks require dedicated AV.

Tanks have it easy and if piloted well and supported are near invincible, that "SL weilding Tank melter" dies when hit in the head with an AR. Where was your AR support? A sniper can 1 shot alot of "SL weilding Tank melter" where was you sniper support? A heavy HMG could rip that "SL weilding Tank melter" apart in seconds where was your heavy support?

No Support Tank = Dead

Support = SL guy has issues.

No changes are necessary to these mods. The nerf was needed due to tanks having 10,000+ HP potential.

IRL, you can kill a tank with an RPG. It isn't because the RPG is OMGHAX, it is simply because that is what the RPG is designed to do, with the downside of being heavy and inconvenient to use on foot-mobiles. I see nothing wrong with the current two AV weapon's balance.

@EnglishSnake With the shield hardener available it is not necessary to have 25% shield resist once the AV grenade exploit is fixed. However, given the vulnerability of the armor tank to SL, it may be ideal to return the resist armor module to a max 25%. An increase in turning speed/acceleration may also be acceptable for the armor tank (Overdrives appear to have no effect).

Every militia weapon can kill the enemy. Why should tank be immune to milita. Since your probably talkin about a milita tank too.


I've put 2 mil SP into AR. Why do I die when a militia weapon shoots me?

If the tank is sat in the open thinking he's god then a milita SL should very well destroy him.


1guy with a militia SL will not kill a fully supported tank. SL guy needs to hit you 3/4 times. You hit him 1 time he's dead end of. You have the upper hand. He can fire at you. You and 2 gunners can fire at him. If he's causing you an issue you ain't doing it right.

So how did you get into a fully Proto fit tank with the SP cap? And even if you are why should proto be immune to militia.

As a tank you have very few threats, use cover use team mates and tanks are fine.

1. Take away the extra 20% buff that the SL got, it was already put back to how it used to be

2. SL missiles should not be able to bend around corners when you are already behind cover, i see like 12 missiles heading for me so i back around the hill and half the missiles will then stick on the road and follow it around until they hit me. TBH its pure BS these missiles can turn quicker than an LAV, what is the point of having cover when they can avoid cover and go around it even if you was already behind cover in the 1st place

3. AV nades - you pull the pin it should blow up, not sit ther and wait 20mins until a tank/LAV passes it by. It makes AV mines useless since you are restricted to how many you can put down when compared to an AV nade minefield

4. Forge guns vs railguns - Forge gun is damn accurate and has a nice spalsh damage to boot and can take on infantry where as the tanks version has been made purly for anti tank roles so why does the forge gun get away with being infantry and AV? Shouldnt it be AV only tbh so that the heavy has to have support from MI so he doesnt get shot up

5. Dropships - Shouldnt be able to fly around in circles avoiding missiles, its BS when you see a dropship with 30missiles following it

6. Shield resistance/Armor resistance/damage control mods - They got whacked with the nerf bat and currently are not worth using tbh, if they got brought back to original levels then it would give more options for HAV drivers

7. Armor active resistance mods - we should have them tbh, give armor HAV users the same options as shield HAV drivers

8. Armor vs shield - Anyone can use the SL on any suit so its the most common used AV but the bad new for armor drivers is that it causes most DPS against armor, if point 7 was in it wouldnt be so bad tbh and make it a viable option

9. AV mines/nades - They cannot be destroyed, i can see them and i fire at them with my large missile turret and they shrug it off like i hit them with air, nades should go off after 5 seconds anyways like i covered but mines should be destroyed with any type of weapon when you fire at it tbh, they are not a hardened structure a mile under the ground its a damn mine

10. Turret on the front of the HAV - If an LAV hits the front of your HAV at full speed while your pretty much at full speed or so it will blow up but it will take the guy in the front turret also, he is in the tank tho he should not die since he is protected by my shields and armor

11. Swarm Launcher - Should not be able to lock on through the mountain so when you pop up you can instantly spam your missiles and then hide again and rinse and repeat

12. Vehicle controls - I would like to swap them about tbh, R2/L2 for forward and reverse, R1/L1 kept the same, Left analog kept for direction, R3 for turret movement, the booster would also move moved to R3 then when the wheel pops up you flick it in the direction of the booster you want to use and it activates - Either way i would think it be better if we could have alternate controls because frankly moving the tank about while firing the main turret screws up your direction

13. Reversing in a HAV - the camera should change so it shows you where you are reversing instead of basically guessing and praying ther isnt a bunch of rocks you will hit or some other crap which is littered about, i cant turn my turret around quick enough either and when i do turn my turret for some reason it also changes my direction


All i can think of atm tbh

There used to be AUR turrets for vehicles but got removed on Codex. One of the large turrets used to go for 360 AUR.

What is happening to them now? They explode instantly?