they already nerfed it once, splash damage was the balance for taking away it's ability to 1 shot most tanks

Super damage but it should be short range. The heavy suit allows it to tank some punishment. Or it did before it was nerfed. :(.

DONT nerf the forge gun. What is surprising about it being efficient against infantry(POINT 2) ? it needs a loading time, it's splash area has already been nerfed, and you can use it only when being a heavy.

NO NERF IS NEEDED.

Now, regarding HAVs, there's a bunch of adjustments to be made as i fear they may be a bit too effective against those. (but havent seen much HAVs in this build so cant really tell atm.)

Admit i didnt read the full stuff first time
Saw splash damage and just freaked out. Though now, splash damage on railgun tower and HAV turret has been drastically reduced lately as they were WMD for infantry and are basically anti-vehicule weapons(point 1). Buffing them back could be quite annoying.

Now, i dont feel like the forge gun is that buffed compared to those. There was a build where the splash of it was just unbelievable ^^

(POINT 3)regarding consistency, one could say that the forge gun has less capacity in focusing the fire thus explingin the bigger splash and the lessen damage compared to a tower or a turret :D

Not this **** again.
Harden the **** up.

if you come round the corner just as i finish charging... expect to get shot in the face

Even with more armor plating, the only way the Forge Gun can be effective is by hitting the tank from range. Its child's play to kill a Heavy up close if both your small turrets are manned. I agree that it should be almost entirely impact damage, but it's range needs to stay the same to give it a prayer of being useful.

did you read it?

for everybody infomation i noticed this when i watched ops fox play a few round(kicked me off my ps3) and he was doing his run and gun when he enegaged a heavy with a forge, he mowed into the heavy and nearly got em but had deer in the head light moment when he saw that forge charging. forge went off and missed but still killed him he shruged it off then. this came up when a match or two later he figured out large rails work and had hay day blasting infantry and LAV apart that is until a lone infantry runs up he lined up the shot fired and missed. thats when i noticed the splash radius for rails is smaller than their reticle and of course a remote explose took out his new toy, he went haywire and showed off his impressive vocablulary when this happened, but it did make me think

the issue isnt forges its that other railguns have no splash while the forge has plenty i say either nerf the forges splash or buff the other rails to have comaprable splash to damage ratio.

Not this **** again.
Harden the **** up.

I agree, currently railguns on vehicles are ****. Why would I bring a slow to aim, low splash low dmg weapon when the forge has greater dmg, manuverability and more survivibility? AND when you are done with it you can swap it out. This is why Noone is using tanks this build.

A Forge user has no anti-infantry primary, so even a Anti Armor starter fit could mince him. Also, with the active shield hardeners, it is nigh impossible to pierce even a Sica's shield, as they will switch them on and run into hiding at 1/4th HP.

As for why people would use vehicle mounted railguns... perfect accuracy, one shot kills, mobile, huge HP, and you can compensate for the slow turret speed by rotating the body as well... its like a sniper in a truck. An armored truck, but still a truck.

Personally, the reason the Forge has more damage output is because it is meant to kill vehicles. If you want to lower the Forge Gun's damage, then you will also have to lower the HP of every vehicle type to keep things in balance... which will screw balance by making the vehicle have too little health to survive non AV weapons.

So in short, why does a tank have less damage output for its railgun? Did you ever need more than 1000 damage to kill a footmobile?



Also, noone is using tanks this build? Youngcuz has one. Debacle Nano too. And Calif. According to STB, 6 Seraphims do. And I'm sure most people saw those two Gunnlogis tearing it up on the first week of the new build.

A Forge user has no anti-infantry primary, so even a Anti Armor starter fit could mince him. Also, with the active shield hardeners, it is nigh impossible to pierce even a Sica's shield, as they will switch them on and run into hiding at 1/4th HP.

As for why people would use vehicle mounted railguns... perfect accuracy, one shot kills, mobile, huge HP, and you can compensate for the slow turret speed by rotating the body as well... its like a sniper in a truck. An armored truck, but still a truck.

Personally, the reason the Forge has more damage output is because it is meant to kill vehicles. If you want to lower the Forge Gun's damage, then you will also have to lower the HP of every vehicle type to keep things in balance... which will screw balance by making the vehicle have too little health to survive non AV weapons.

So in short, why does a tank have less damage output for its railgun? Did you ever need more than 1000 damage to kill a footmobile?



Also, noone is using tanks this build? Youngcuz has one. Debacle Nano too. And Calif. According to STB, 6 Seraphims do. And I'm sure most people saw those two Gunnlogis tearing it up on the first week of the new build.

anti-tank weapons don't need splash damage.

the splash damage, and ONLY the splash damage should be nerfed. (removed, really)

but i'd also like to see the mobility penalty removed as well.


the rest is just a bad argument. even if a tank railgun deals less damage per shot, it is laserbeam accurate, has infinite ammo, fires faster, and has more shots before needing to reload (cool down)

they are not analogous.

What good is a tank if it has to duck into cover every 5 seconds? Isnt the point of a tank to be able to take a beating?

As for HAV railgun sniping, its nearly impossible. Drop a shot at someone's feet or at a wall next to them and they walk away everytime. Wouldnt it just be easier to use a sniper rifle....

Vehicles already got a super nerf from the super whine crowd...They can't turn nearly as fast as they used to, can't accelerate either.

And I've seen Cuz and Debacle in several games, and havent seen them bring in a single tank. Infact, Ive only seen 3-4 so far this build, and each was blown up within seconds of meeting the enemy.

Basically, you don't know what you are talking about. You just dont wanna give up you solo one hit anything cannon.

I still think forge should loose most of their splash or buff railgun installation and turrets with more splash to compare. Either they should all have splash or should all have none

i have a militia heavy suit with a lvl 1 forge gun. i can barely hit a drophip in the air because of its range. there is barely any splash damage on mine, i can hit directly behind someone and either take down shields or not do any damage at all......it takes four shots for me to kill a tank which by then im already dead.

now tell me again why it should be nerfed?

Um forge them selfs are pretty good at dealing with infantry all you have do do is keep the reticle on them, a forge vs a sniper a upper medium range the sniper looses. Forges are good at shooting dropships, tanks and infantry they dont need a side arm.

This is why Noone is using tanks this build.