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Michael Cratar
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.12 19:00:00 -
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And I can safely say that the only thing that beats a AR is a tank or another AR.
AR VS. AR Even match
AR VS. Forge gun. Forge gun wins if you can hit the bunny hoppers
AR VS. Sub. Sub dosen't stand a chance to a good shot, and a full clip.
AR VS. Scrambler. If the person using the AR is a scout and has not lvls in mechanics, the scrambler might win if the person using it is a really good shot, and if the scout is not bunny hopping.
AR VS. MD. A very tough match, but still not victorious over a good shot.
AR VS. LAZOR. lol no
AR VS. Nova knives. NO, BAD, BAD IDEA!
AR VS. HMG. Close match. but AR still wins 3 out of 5 times.
AR VS. Shotties. Shotties only win within 5-9 meters
AR VS. Sniper. +100m = sniper wins
AR VS Swarm launcher. lol no... again
AR VS. Grenade. Just run. don't sit there and shoot at it you moron. *yes i have tried to shoot a grenade. No it did not work XD*
AR VS. LAV. May take a while but a couple of clips in it and its done for. And you must use cover or your dead. Oh and if its moving it increases its chances of winning but not by much if your using cover.
AR VS. Drop ship. You cant hit it. And most of the time it cant hit you.
AR VS. HAV. Another bad idea!
This pretty much states that ARs are the best weapon for just about everything. I'm not saying that they are OP, but they are pretty much the dominant gun That out classes everything. If people want this fixed I suggest no't nerfing the AR. Instead just make everything more useful.
That's my 0.02isk And i would very much like it back ^^ |
Ridgeway Semper Fi
ROGUE SPADES
30
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Posted - 2012.10.12 19:14:00 -
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It'll stay that way because the community doesn't want differing playstyles. This community seems to think that everyone should be a bunny hopping butt ******* ****** blobbing all over the damn map, while firing walls of bullets at everything so they eventually hit something. Because you can't possibly want to play a FPS and not bunny hop and spray walls of bullets. There's no room in FPS games for snipers, vehicles, anything that isn't an AR. I mean really? Do you think they gonna balance the AR, they are gonna leave it as the only valid weapon to use because that's what all the ****** playing whiny brats want. |
Michael Cratar
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
179
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Posted - 2012.10.12 19:19:00 -
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Ridgeway Semper Fi wrote:It'll stay that way because the community doesn't want differing playstyles. This community seems to think that everyone should be a bunny hopping butt ******* ****** blobbing all over the damn map, while firing walls of bullets at everything so they eventually hit something. Because you can't possibly want to play a FPS and not bunny hop and spray walls of bullets. There's no room in FPS games for snipers, vehicles, anything that isn't an AR. I mean really? Do you think they gonna balance the AR, they are gonna leave it as the only valid weapon to use because that's what all the ****** playing whiny brats want.
This is why I haven't spent a penny on this game yet.
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Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.10.12 19:38:00 -
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So, you're complaining that the AR - the versatile weapon of the marine - is to good for doing what it's supposed to do..? They are suppose to be good in most situations, they're built for it.
Laser Rifles are made to stay in the back of the squad and rip the shields off any enemy near the end of it's range. If you are finding yourself in CQC fights with it, you're simply in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Mass Drivers are made for lobbing into crowds, not 1v1ing.
The SMG is a CQC high damage weapon, just need to max out your skills in it and it's beastly (don't go fighting heavies with it).
You seem to understand what shotties are for.
Not sure why you're trying to take an AR user from the front using Nova Knives, you're supposed to *sneak*.
Shouldn't be fighting infantry with a Forge gun.
I apply my above statement to Swarm Launchers.
HMG is for spamming at crowds as LogiBro repairs you, those things rock.
Sniper - duh.
Grenades - you can't shoot them? Thats gay... Wasn't it halo that you could shoot them as they left the hand? Loved raping people with their own Spike Grenades.
Vehicles - uh?
And thats my breakdown of what I just read, probably shoulda done it in order, but I'm way to lazy to rearrange it now. |
crazy space
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2012.10.12 19:47:00 -
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AR VS. Sniper. +100m = sniper wins
You forget tactical AR
Also I disagree about the pistol. Now that it's +1 clip per level on the cheap skill the breach pistol for instance is amazing with 8 shots. does 180 damage a shot I think?
Also lasers are better than AR at range. Lasers are a weird weapon. But in combo with a pistol for up close.
Also Mass drivers counter AR amazing well. I can kill people at 70m with a prototype mass driver. 14m splash radius. I like how you sad it, the mass driver takes a TON of skill to use, so in normal hands the AR is going to come on out top. In the right hands the mass driver is awesome. I just went 14 kills with one : )
Finally while I agree for the most part about the HMG, the brust one is hard to use but basically a close range - medium range shotgun. It's got double the rate of fire, and the spread is tiny. So up close it can be tough, but oh man, it one shots most things if you hit the whole round. You can't spray this weapon mindlessly. |
Michael Cratar
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
179
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Posted - 2012.10.12 19:52:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:So, you're complaining that the AR - the versatile weapon of the marine - is to good for doing what it's supposed to do..? They are suppose to be good in most situations, they're built for it.
Laser Rifles are made to stay in the back of the squad and rip the shields off any enemy near the end of it's range. If you are finding yourself in CQC fights with it, you're simply in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Mass Drivers are made for lobbing into crowds, not 1v1ing.
The SMG is a CQC high damage weapon, just need to max out your skills in it and it's beastly (don't go fighting heavies with it).
You seem to understand what shotties are for.
Not sure why you're trying to take an AR user from the front using Nova Knives, you're supposed to *sneak*.
Shouldn't be fighting infantry with a Forge gun.
I apply my above statement to Swarm Launchers.
HMG is for spamming at crowds as LogiBro repairs you, those things rock.
Sniper - duh.
Grenades - you can't shoot them? Thats gay... Wasn't it halo that you could shoot them as they left the hand? Loved raping people with their own Spike Grenades.
Vehicles - uh?
And thats my breakdown of what I just read, probably shoulda done it in order, but I'm way to lazy to rearrange it now.
I'm not complaining. I'm just stating what i find on the weapons and addressing the posts about the AR being op. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.10.12 20:02:00 -
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The way your post is set up makes it sound like a call for balance, when the reality is that it is balanced. AR'r are made for versatility, while many of the other weapons are much more specialized. |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.10.12 20:04:00 -
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I can see why ppl complain about the AR
Its ment to be the jack of all trades (to a point) and master of 1 or **** all, currently its master of quite a bit and you can say the same for the assualt suit |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.10.12 20:08:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:I can see why ppl complain about the AR
Its ment to be the jack of all trades (to a point) and master of 1 or **** all, currently its master of quite a bit and you can say the same for the assualt suit That's what they're made for, I don't see any issue with either of those. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
401
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Posted - 2012.10.12 20:23:00 -
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Michael Cratar wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:So, you're complaining that the AR - the versatile weapon of the marine - is to good for doing what it's supposed to do..? They are suppose to be good in most situations, they're built for it.
Laser Rifles are made to stay in the back of the squad and rip the shields off any enemy near the end of it's range. If you are finding yourself in CQC fights with it, you're simply in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Mass Drivers are made for lobbing into crowds, not 1v1ing.
The SMG is a CQC high damage weapon, just need to max out your skills in it and it's beastly (don't go fighting heavies with it).
You seem to understand what shotties are for.
Not sure why you're trying to take an AR user from the front using Nova Knives, you're supposed to *sneak*.
Shouldn't be fighting infantry with a Forge gun.
I apply my above statement to Swarm Launchers.
HMG is for spamming at crowds as LogiBro repairs you, those things rock.
Sniper - duh.
Grenades - you can't shoot them? Thats gay... Wasn't it halo that you could shoot them as they left the hand? Loved raping people with their own Spike Grenades.
Vehicles - uh?
And thats my breakdown of what I just read, probably shoulda done it in order, but I'm way to lazy to rearrange it now. I'm not complaining. I'm just stating what i find on the weapons and addressing the posts about the AR being op.
The laser needs a range buff and sorely needs a damage buff and needs to be usefull at ALL RANGES as an ALTERNATIVE to an AR.
And HELL! wheres my Wingsticks from Rage???
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Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
401
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Posted - 2012.10.12 20:28:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:The way your post is set up makes it sound like a call for balance, when the reality is that it is balanced. AR'r are made for versatility, while many of the other weapons are much more specialized.
HELL NO!! I can grab a high energy laser that runs off a small battery and use it to cut skin at ONE inch distance or in a collimated beam to cut skin at one mile away. I.e. a high energy laser beam hitting a persons eyes? They are SCREWED no matter if its an inch away or a collimated beam from a mile away.
But in THIS GAME a laser up close has magical no damage properties and the beam gets TIRED after 80 meters.........LOL!!!!
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Patches The Hyena
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2012.10.12 20:55:00 -
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Only problem with the AR currently is the complete lack of recoil. |
Aighun
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
666
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Posted - 2012.10.12 21:26:00 -
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Patches The Hyena wrote:Only problem with the AR currently is the complete lack of recoil.
Very good observation. Add recoil to the lower tier assault rifles and immediately huge portions of the game will come into alignment.
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miahus
CrimeWave Syndicate
78
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Posted - 2012.10.13 00:42:00 -
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AR vs submachine gun depends on the distance. at close range forget about the AR. with 20-24.2 damage and 1000-1052.6 rpm, there is no way AR wins. if you add to that side arm sharpshooter and side arm sharpshooter proficiency, sub wins in short and medium short ranges. haven't experimented much with breach subs, so I haven't posted their stats. |
Ops Fox
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
197
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Posted - 2012.10.13 01:00:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: the versatile weapon of the marine
well glad the marines are up to date with assault rifles and such, I mean my branch is still using swords and spears... jarheads
um less about branch rivalries and about the issue I think AR should have more kick and unlike the SR kick it shouldnGÇÖt come back down on the exact same place. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.10.13 01:12:00 -
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Ops Fox wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: the versatile weapon of the marine
well glad the marines are up to date with assault rifles and such, I mean my branch is still using swords and spears... jarheads um less about branch rivalries and about the issue I think AR should have more kick and unlike the SR kick it shouldnGÇÖt come back down on the exact same place. Perhaps there isn't enough kick on the militia, but that's really such a minor issue at this point. I'd rather have 100% of the content and stability with some minor imbalance, instead of 100% balance while my games run at 15fps and I only have 50% of the content. I guess that's just me though.
I used the Tactical last build, seemed like the kick was fine to me. |
Avenger 245
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
477
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Posted - 2012.10.13 01:19:00 -
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ignore me |
Ops Fox
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
197
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Posted - 2012.10.13 01:20:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Ops Fox wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: the versatile weapon of the marine
well glad the marines are up to date with assault rifles and such, I mean my branch is still using swords and spears... jarheads um less about branch rivalries and about the issue I think AR should have more kick and unlike the SR kick it shouldnGÇÖt come back down on the exact same place. Perhaps there isn't enough kick on the militia, but that's really such a minor issue at this point. I'd rather have 100% of the content and stability with some minor imbalance, instead of 100% balance while my games run at 15fps and I only have 50% of the content. I guess that's just me though. I used the Tactical last build, seemed like the kick was fine to me.
its really the lack of kick, with zero skills put to AR i have a small amount of intial lift on my barrel but after that its good, now that i think about it i think there is kick its just how the mechanic works. i think that the AR kick causes it to raise up from where you were orginally firing for every bullet you fire you get this effect, however the AR shoot so fast that the kick still raises it from the orginal point and holds it at kick hieght until you stop firing.
the easiest way to fix this is make the kick more random, more side to side and up and down while its firing rather than the constant stream of steady kick. |
Ignatius Crumwald
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
475
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Posted - 2012.10.13 02:38:00 -
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This thread's eventual TL;DR I think it's ridiculous how the enemy can actually move around so I have to aim at them. I'm not good at aiming and moving around - make the game into a rail shooter. Assault rifles are the most common infantry weapon in the world due to their versatility but I think they should be changed so that they aren't like they actually are because I can't aim and move. |
KripnawtiQ Prime
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
206
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Posted - 2012.10.13 03:23:00 -
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Ignatius Crumwald wrote:This thread's eventual TL;DR I think it's ridiculous how the enemy can actually move around so I have to aim at them. I'm not good at aiming and moving around - make the game into a rail shooter. Assault rifles are the most common infantry weapon in the world due to their versatility but I think they should be changed so that they aren't like they actually are because I can't aim and move.
Hahaha...priceless |
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William HBonney
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
318
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Posted - 2012.10.13 03:32:00 -
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miahus wrote:AR vs submachine gun depends on the distance. at close range forget about the AR. with 20-24.2 damage and 1000-1052.6 rpm, there is no way AR wins. if you add to that side arm sharpshooter and side arm sharpshooter proficiency, sub wins in short and medium short ranges. haven't experimented much with breach subs, so I haven't posted their stats.
please do the math....and if you cannot...let me...assault rifles have more DPS then SMGs. But but they shoot faster...like really fast....please before you make some asinine statement do the math....assault rifle runs 375 DPS+ and the SMG is 350+
In the previous builds SMG did do more DPS, but since they removed the 5% per level and changed it to 3% they no longer hold their own against the ARs |
miahus
CrimeWave Syndicate
78
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Posted - 2012.10.13 11:38:00 -
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William HBonney wrote:miahus wrote:AR vs submachine gun depends on the distance. at close range forget about the AR. with 20-24.2 damage and 1000-1052.6 rpm, there is no way AR wins. if you add to that side arm sharpshooter and side arm sharpshooter proficiency, sub wins in short and medium short ranges. haven't experimented much with breach subs, so I haven't posted their stats. please do the math....and if you cannot...let me...assault rifles have more DPS then SMGs. But but they shoot faster...like really fast....please before you make some asinine statement do the math....assault rifle runs 375 DPS+ and the SMG is 350+ In the previous builds SMG did do more DPS, but since they removed the 5% per level and changed it to 3% they no longer hold their own against the ARs before you post your half a$s pro wanna be post, go on the field and test them see what happends when you put a duvolle vs a proto sub up close. |
meri jin
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.10.13 12:02:00 -
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I do feel as well that the AR is overpowered. But i still don't want it to be nerved. I like the other weapons to have a role, and become better in this role.
Like the swarm launcher, this weapon is a joke, it could pull a drop ship from the sky, but skilling this weapon makes you useless in any other fight. |
Bhor Derri
Legion of Eden
95
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Posted - 2012.10.13 12:13:00 -
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The ARs are ridiculous and if no action is taken the only weapon you will see on the market will be an AR |
William HBonney
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
318
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Posted - 2012.10.13 15:09:00 -
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miahus wrote:William HBonney wrote:miahus wrote:AR vs submachine gun depends on the distance. at close range forget about the AR. with 20-24.2 damage and 1000-1052.6 rpm, there is no way AR wins. if you add to that side arm sharpshooter and side arm sharpshooter proficiency, sub wins in short and medium short ranges. haven't experimented much with breach subs, so I haven't posted their stats. please do the math....and if you cannot...let me...assault rifles have more DPS then SMGs. But but they shoot faster...like really fast....please before you make some asinine statement do the math....assault rifle runs 375 DPS+ and the SMG is 350+ In the previous builds SMG did do more DPS, but since they removed the 5% per level and changed it to 3% they no longer hold their own against the ARs before you post your half a$s pro wanna be post, go on the field and test them see what happends when you put a duvolle vs a proto sub up close.
hahaha I am sorry, does math scare you? So your scientific method is "go on the field and see what happens." You are right I must conceed, because on thew field you don't have variables at all...no lag, no difference in suit build...I can see why this game can never advance with such logical minds like yourself.
Here's the deal, Math doesn't lie, simple facts, two people of equal builds, one with the devoulle and one with the ishkononwhocareshowitisspelled, the devoulle will win 10/10 times.....why? because it has a higher DPS, period, that isn't even mentioning the fact that the guy with the SMG will likely not reach the AR guy, but up close, ARs still win. I think I am wasting my breath because math and logic must go straight over your head, esp when you have a "feeling" that a gun works better. |
aden slayer
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.10.13 15:16:00 -
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"Slow clap" |
William HBonney
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
318
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Posted - 2012.10.13 19:52:00 -
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No need, settle, but thanks. |
TiMeSpLiT--TeR
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
326
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Posted - 2012.10.13 21:21:00 -
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The op stats are invalid. It a l depends on shield and armor too. |
William HBonney
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
318
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Posted - 2012.10.13 23:55:00 -
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Correct, the use of weapons is in no way evidence of a weapons OPness...it would at best be a case study. I think it is a guy wanting attention because he is bored of playing the game. |
Khortez D
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
51
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Posted - 2012.10.14 00:07:00 -
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scrambler pistol is a beast pistol, i love the thing |
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William HBonney
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
318
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Posted - 2012.10.14 03:38:00 -
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Shhhh ....don't tell everyone
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Tmills6
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2012.10.14 05:25:00 -
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I've beating AR dudes with my militia scrambler pistol..... and anything that is within 30m of me n my HMG dies. AR dudes rarely get through my shields(100 shields) hell I'm sure I've gotten a couple 50m+ kills with my HMG can't wait to improve sharp shooter
EDIT: I went 3 matches today with + KDR's they were 16-4 19-4 and 12-1 all in biomass all with my standard HMG loadout and killing almost solely AR users so clearly it's not a 9/10 AR win scenario. only time an AR beats my HMG is when it's out of my range or when it's 2+ vs 1 |
SILENTSAM 69
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
421
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Posted - 2012.10.14 07:13:00 -
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It took a lot of effort to continue reading after seeing the use of the words "bunny hopper" but the post does have some interesting points.
The SMG needs a buff, or it needs its skills put back to giving the DMG bonus first. It takes way too many SP for an SMG to be worth using at all in this build. |
RedBleach LeSanglant
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
136
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Posted - 2012.10.14 20:47:00 -
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Agree to SMG buff. (Laugh at science and gut instincts... and then get owned by a GEK) Good post |
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