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WHz DS9899
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.10.10 07:00:00 -
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For those who don't know, in cod, you can call in a Chinook helicopter that gives you a box for a random killstreak. But since this game has no such thing as killstreaks, then I wish for deployable objects that come in in Support drops. The objects could be called in by the commander (see commander thread here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=352974#post352974 .) can be things like large shield emplacements ( the shields from this thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=349101#post349101, only bigger.), emplaced launchers, blasters, forge cannons, large nanohives, and more into the base. Then, a dropship can come in, attach it to the bottom, and fly away with it. When it finds the spot it wants to place it down, it can cycle to it from the equipment cycle, and it will drop (or something similar).And then players can then "hack" it, and then the box will open, and the item will be ready to use.
OR
You could have a new sort of vehicle that could carry things like this, maybe even small vehicles around the map. It would be the same process, only that the care packages would have to be loaded onto the vehicle (maybe a semi- truck type thing?).
EDIT: these are not instulations. instulations are not ment for light vehicles and self infintry. These are for mainly squad help. It's not ment as a offence killer, more of a support role. Under no way in hell would I stand for doing something for x times and getting rewarded. Futhermore, that second killstreak was a typo, and I didn't spot it, so sorry. Lastly, The cod, care package+name (which I changed) was just an example. Damn, you guys are so reluctant to change..... |
Minmatar Slave 74136
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
291
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Posted - 2012.10.10 09:43:00 -
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Heh
I'd be more than happy to send you thorium-tipped care packages from the sextet of 125mm railguns on my destroyer flown by my EVE character.
But you won't like them when they get there.
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CaDaVeR 85
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
15
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Posted - 2012.10.10 09:59:00 -
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NO, JUST NO. |
Jack Boost
Zarena Family
194
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Posted - 2012.10.10 12:36:00 -
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Going into battlefield with LAV and some crazy driver with some regenerative-soup :) for teammates will be awsom
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DarkShadowFox
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
238
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Posted - 2012.10.10 16:30:00 -
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go play COD if you want care packages, they dont have CHINOOKS IN THE FUTURE SMART ONE :U |
WHz DS9899
Doomheim
136
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Posted - 2012.10.10 18:10:00 -
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CaDaVeR 85 wrote:NO, JUST NO.
so I'm going to assume that all you did was read the title and not even read the idea. if so, then read it, or get out and say out! |
Necrodermis
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
460
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Posted - 2012.10.10 18:19:00 -
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care packages require people to actually care.
guess what, people don't care. you are paid to do a job and your "care packages" are precision strikes that 90% of the game is too dumb to use. |
Governor Odius
Doomheim
177
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Posted - 2012.10.10 18:37:00 -
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Commanders will be able to call in installations. What other care packages could you need? |
801HC
Soldiers Of One Network Orion Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.10.10 18:43:00 -
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I read the whole thread.
All I have to say is **** this **** you. This is not COD. This is Dust. COD is like the crack ***** on the corner and Dust is the hot classy Playboy model. |
Norbar Recturus
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
119
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Posted - 2012.10.10 21:43:00 -
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Maybe not care packages... but I don't see any reason you couldn't PAY for an ammo drop in the form of a large orbital delivery nanohive. |
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2012.10.10 22:07:00 -
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Commanders will be able to deploy installations to support their team, so I don't think this the ability to call down packages to support the team is necessary. Commanders are coming, and they will command from the MCC. |
WHz DS9899
Doomheim
136
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Posted - 2012.10.10 22:13:00 -
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Like I said, you really didn't read it. All you saw was Care packages and went ape **** at me. Would you be happy if I/CCP called them support drops? |
Norbar Recturus
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
119
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Posted - 2012.10.10 22:24:00 -
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WHz DS9899 wrote:Like I said, you really didn't read it. All you saw was Care packages and went ape **** at me. Would you be happy if I/CCP called them support drops?
I'm fairly sure KAGEHOSHI read the thread.
He's not trashing your idea WHz, he's pointing out an angle that you might not have thought up. A Care Package mechanic is designed to give support or aid to a single individual (which is why it's a kill streak offensively) and does not really lend itself well to the concept of teamplay.
Notice that he never said it was a bad idea, just that it isn't necessary. Would you rather have a personal little box of ammunition or a supply depot delivered to you because the surrounding infantry need it too?
I'm starting to think that all you did was read his response, assume it was negative because it intoned that care packages aren't needed, and then went off without much thought into what he really said... not too constructive broheim. |
Talos Alomar
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
391
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Posted - 2012.10.11 01:40:00 -
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It would be pretty awesome to be able to earn a nanohive/drop uplink warped into your location if you get enough wp. if you can order an airstrike, why not ammo? |
The Polish Hammer
Doomheim
373
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Posted - 2012.10.11 02:16:00 -
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Talos Alomar wrote:It would be pretty awesome to be able to earn a nanohive/drop uplink warped into your location if you get enough wp. if you can order an airstrike, why not ammo?
Where would these uplinks and nanohives be coming from? Those Precision Strikes are (when the game is officially released) be coming from EvE players, not from an NPC ship like it is now. Everything in this game is coming from or will come from something. It has to be made/bought and then used. Nothing is just given, except for now because we're in BETA and we're testing for the all the shenanigans. |
Hobos-N-Guns
Soldiers Of One Network Orion Empire
44
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Posted - 2012.10.11 02:38:00 -
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I guess Cod players really need goodies all the time or they can't play the game |
Talos Alomar
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
391
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Posted - 2012.10.11 03:40:00 -
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The Polish Hammer wrote:
Where would these uplinks and nanohives be coming from? .
an eve player would buy a bunch, and when earned warp them in to the player that earned it. it is in the corp's best intrest to keep the mercs on the ground well supplied, after all.
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tribal wyvern
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
675
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Posted - 2012.10.11 05:23:00 -
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WHz DS9899 wrote:For those who don't know, in cod, you can call in a Chinook helicopter that gives you a box for a random killstreak. But since this game has no such thing as killstreaks, then I wish for deployable objects that come in killstreaks in care packages. The objects could be called in by the commander (see commander thread here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=352974#post352974 .) can be things like large shield emplacements ( the shields from this thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=349101#post349101, only bigger.), emplaced launchers, blasters, forge cannons, large nanohives, and more into the base. Then, a dropship can come in, attach it to the bottom, and fly away with it. When it finds the spot it wants to place it down, it can cycle to it from the equipment cycle, and it will drop (or something similar).And then players can then "hack" it, and then the box will open, and the item will be ready to use. ORYou could have a new sort of vehicle that could carry things like this, maybe even small vehicles around the map. It would be the same process, only that the care packages would have to be loaded onto the vehicle (maybe a semi- truck type thing?).
NO!!!! No offense dude but this isn't COD, it isn't bf3, it isn't medal of honor. Care packages do not belong in dust, please do not try to be one of those chuckleheads who are trying to convert our beloved dust into something that some of us hate (cod). If you need that swarm launcher but don't have it, if you need that sniper rifle but didn't equip it.....then that's your fault and you should have taken care of it before you deployed, or create multiple fits like alot of us so you can choose from supply depot or when you respawn I.e logi sniper, logi AV, logi assault, scout assault, scout AV..........you get the idea. |
Baracka Flocka Flame
SyNergy Gaming
335
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Posted - 2012.10.11 19:48:00 -
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lol great thread. |
Eternal Technique
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
281
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Posted - 2012.10.11 21:10:00 -
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Minmatar Slave 74136 wrote:Heh I'd be more than happy to send you thorium-tipped care packages from the sextet of 125mm railguns on my destroyer flown by my EVE character. But you won't like them when they get there.
ewww who uses 125s on their cormorants |
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WHz DS9899
Doomheim
136
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Posted - 2012.10.12 06:56:00 -
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tribal wyvern wrote:WHz DS9899 wrote:For those who don't know, in cod, you can call in a Chinook helicopter that gives you a box for a random killstreak. But since this game has no such thing as killstreaks, then I wish for deployable objects that come in killstreaks in care packages. The objects could be called in by the commander (see commander thread here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=352974#post352974 .) can be things like large shield emplacements ( the shields from this thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=349101#post349101, only bigger.), emplaced launchers, blasters, forge cannons, large nanohives, and more into the base. Then, a dropship can come in, attach it to the bottom, and fly away with it. When it finds the spot it wants to place it down, it can cycle to it from the equipment cycle, and it will drop (or something similar).And then players can then "hack" it, and then the box will open, and the item will be ready to use. ORYou could have a new sort of vehicle that could carry things like this, maybe even small vehicles around the map. It would be the same process, only that the care packages would have to be loaded onto the vehicle (maybe a semi- truck type thing?). NO!!!! No offense dude but this isn't COD, it isn't bf3, it isn't medal of honor. Care packages do not belong in dust, please do not try to be one of those chuckleheads who are trying to convert our beloved dust into something that some of us hate (cod). If you need that swarm launcher but don't have it, if you need that sniper rifle but didn't equip it.....then that's your fault and you should have taken care of it before you deployed, or create multiple fits like alot of us so you can choose from supply depot or when you respawn I.e logi sniper, logi AV, logi assault, scout assault, scout AV..........you get the idea.
Like I said, you didn't read the post. None of you have, actually. You just read the title, and got mad. The drops aren't just magically appearing out of thin air; there called in, just like a vehicle is, but it's for things more useful (like an emplaced gun, or a big nanohive.). And it doesn't just arrive to you; It has to be brung to you via a dropship (or the land vehicle idea), that had to go to base, and pick it up. You guys really have some anger issues..... |
Raven Tesio
Liandri Hel-Jumpers Liandri Covenant
35
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Posted - 2012.10.12 07:01:00 -
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WHz DS9899 wrote:For those who don't know, in cod, you can call in a Chinook helicopter that gives you a box for a random killstreak. But since this game has no such thing as killstreaks, then I wish for deployable objects that come in killstreaks in care packages. The objects could be called in by the commander (see commander thread here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=352974#post352974 .) can be things like large shield emplacements ( the shields from this thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=349101#post349101, only bigger.), emplaced launchers, blasters, forge cannons, large nanohives, and more into the base. Then, a dropship can come in, attach it to the bottom, and fly away with it. When it finds the spot it wants to place it down, it can cycle to it from the equipment cycle, and it will drop (or something similar).And then players can then "hack" it, and then the box will open, and the item will be ready to use. ORYou could have a new sort of vehicle that could carry things like this, maybe even small vehicles around the map. It would be the same process, only that the care packages would have to be loaded onto the vehicle (maybe a semi- truck type thing?).
No... No and erm... No |
WHz DS9899
Doomheim
136
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Posted - 2012.10.12 07:12:00 -
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Raven Tesio wrote:WHz DS9899 wrote:For those who don't know, in cod, you can call in a Chinook helicopter that gives you a box for a random killstreak. But since this game has no such thing as killstreaks, then I wish for deployable objects that come in killstreaks in care packages. The objects could be called in by the commander (see commander thread here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=352974#post352974 .) can be things like large shield emplacements ( the shields from this thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=349101#post349101, only bigger.), emplaced launchers, blasters, forge cannons, large nanohives, and more into the base. Then, a dropship can come in, attach it to the bottom, and fly away with it. When it finds the spot it wants to place it down, it can cycle to it from the equipment cycle, and it will drop (or something similar).And then players can then "hack" it, and then the box will open, and the item will be ready to use. ORYou could have a new sort of vehicle that could carry things like this, maybe even small vehicles around the map. It would be the same process, only that the care packages would have to be loaded onto the vehicle (maybe a semi- truck type thing?). No... No and erm... No
Reason? |
Jonquill Caronite
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
115
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Posted - 2012.10.12 11:12:00 -
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If you actually read the post everything he suggested is in the works... Basically everyone's just upset because he mention call of duty and care packages.
A summary of the post is really "Can we give commanders the ability to drop structures and gear that can be moved and deployed on the battlefield?", answer is SOON.... |
RedBleach LeSanglant
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
136
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Posted - 2012.10.12 15:11:00 -
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OP, just wait, the commander will be sending care packages. How? we have not yet seen. What? we have not seen either, but I like your enthusiasm. |
WHz DS9899
Doomheim
136
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Posted - 2012.10.12 18:56:00 -
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RedBleach LeSanglant wrote:OP, just wait, the commander will be sending care packages. How? we have not yet seen. What? we have not seen either, but I like your enthusiasm.
how? read the end of the post. When, At the latest, at the second DLC (for this idea. the instillations will come come by release.) . |
WHz DS9899
Doomheim
136
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Posted - 2012.10.12 23:11:00 -
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I'm suprised the trolls and ragers haven't came at me.... |
Lead Squall
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
54
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Posted - 2012.10.13 02:01:00 -
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If you watch, at the beginning of skirmish matches when you start with installations they come down from orbit, like a materiel precision strike. At least that is what it looks like on the map. |
WHz DS9899
Doomheim
136
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Posted - 2012.10.13 02:39:00 -
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Lead Squall wrote:If you watch, at the beginning of skirmish matches when you start with installations they come down from orbit, like a materiel precision strike. At least that is what it looks like on the map.
Ok..... and? |
Lead Squall
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
54
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Posted - 2012.10.13 05:20:00 -
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WHz DS9899 wrote:Lead Squall wrote:If you watch, at the beginning of skirmish matches when you start with installations they come down from orbit, like a materiel precision strike. At least that is what it looks like on the map. Ok..... and? RedBleach LeSanglant wrote: OP, just wait, the commander will be sending care packages. How? we have not yet seen. What? we have not seen either, but I like your enthusiasm. how? read the end of the post. When, At the latest, at the second DLC (for this idea. the instillations will come come by release.) .
sorry, I was lazy and didn't use the quote button. I was referring to how the "care packages" will arrive. |
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Baal Jagorin
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.10.13 05:34:00 -
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Wow, did you even bother to look at what you can call in without some kind of rediculous killstreak bonus? No? Lets take a quick look.
Emplaced weapon turrets modded to your liking.
Vehicles fit-able to any situation -Tanks with missle launcers mounted blasters and CRU's -Drop ships mounted with door guns of many varities and CRU's -LAV's with small weapon turrets of multiple types
The first wave of orbital strikes that can't kill team members. (another rant in and of itself)
There are even things you can carry
Nano hives that can supply and heal team members Spawn beacons Medical and repair equipment
There is no point in care packages in this game because a well rounded squad properly equiped and organised can competently and successfully handle nearly any situation encounted on the battleground using only squad organic weapons and tools.
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tribal wyvern
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
675
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Posted - 2012.10.13 08:00:00 -
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WHz DS9899 wrote:tribal wyvern wrote:WHz DS9899 wrote:For those who don't know, in cod, you can call in a Chinook helicopter that gives you a box for a random killstreak. But since this game has no such thing as killstreaks, then I wish for deployable objects that come in killstreaks in care packages. The objects could be called in by the commander (see commander thread here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=352974#post352974 .) can be things like large shield emplacements ( the shields from this thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=349101#post349101, only bigger.), emplaced launchers, blasters, forge cannons, large nanohives, and more into the base. Then, a dropship can come in, attach it to the bottom, and fly away with it. When it finds the spot it wants to place it down, it can cycle to it from the equipment cycle, and it will drop (or something similar).And then players can then "hack" it, and then the box will open, and the item will be ready to use. ORYou could have a new sort of vehicle that could carry things like this, maybe even small vehicles around the map. It would be the same process, only that the care packages would have to be loaded onto the vehicle (maybe a semi- truck type thing?). NO!!!! No offense dude but this isn't COD, it isn't bf3, it isn't medal of honor. Care packages do not belong in dust, please do not try to be one of those chuckleheads who are trying to convert our beloved dust into something that some of us hate (cod). If you need that swarm launcher but don't have it, if you need that sniper rifle but didn't equip it.....then that's your fault and you should have taken care of it before you deployed, or create multiple fits like alot of us so you can choose from supply depot or when you respawn I.e logi sniper, logi AV, logi assault, scout assault, scout AV..........you get the idea. Like I said, you didn't read the post. None of you have, actually. You just read the title, and got mad. The drops aren't just magically appearing out of thin air; there called in, just like a vehicle is, but it's for things more useful (like an emplaced gun, or a big nanohive.). And it doesn't just arrive to you; It has to be brung to you via a dropship (or the land vehicle idea), that had to go to base, and pick it up. You guys really have some anger issues.....
"ANGER ISSUE!!!? F**** ANGER ISSUE!?? I GOT NO DAMN ANGER ISSUE!!!!!! DAMMIT MOFO!!!!........just kiddin man GǪGǪGǪyeah that makes more sense, we just kinda link 'care packages' to COD, that game has a stigma bro lol. But really the commander role will kind of be responsible for deploying care packages, probably not the kind you're thinking of but somewhat similar. |
WHz DS9899
Doomheim
136
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Posted - 2012.10.14 03:34:00 -
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Baal Jagorin wrote:Wow, did you even bother to look at what you can call in without some kind of rediculous killstreak bonus? No? Lets take a quick look.
Emplaced weapon turrets modded to your liking.
Vehicles fit-able to any situation -Tanks with missle launcers mounted blasters and CRU's -Drop ships mounted with door guns of many varities and CRU's -LAV's with small weapon turrets of multiple types
The first wave of orbital strikes that can't kill team members. (another rant in and of itself)
There are even things you can carry
Nano hives that can supply and heal team members Spawn beacons Medical and repair equipment
There is no point in care packages in this game because a well rounded squad properly equiped and organised can competently and successfully handle nearly any situation encounted on the battleground using only squad organic weapons and tools.
The big weapon turrets won't fit into a little area. I mean something like a deployable HMG with sheilds, or a MGL (like the MK19, or a M134.) in a smaller enviroment that using a LAV or tank wouldjust get you killed.
I'm talking about Nano Hives that can resupply faster and heal faster than regular ones, and are bigger than normal, and are harder to kill (same with the spwan beacons.) .I was also thinking about sending in base level gear that was disposalable, like a wuick swarm launcher to scare away that tank.
Care packages could be useful, and has a point in Dust. You just see the name, and start raging because I got it off of cod. Yes, I took the name, but how they work is so different, that it's not even funny. stop raging, and step up and say that you were wrong, because your just going to make yourself look stupid, K (BTW, would it make you feel better if I called them support packages?)? |
Raven Tesio
Liandri Hel-Jumpers Liandri Covenant
35
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Posted - 2012.10.14 10:56:00 -
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Jonquill Caronite wrote:If you actually read the post everything he suggested is in the works... Basically everyone's just upset because he mention call of duty and care packages.
A summary of the post is really "Can we give commanders the ability to drop structures and gear that can be moved and deployed on the battlefield?", answer is SOON....
No I read it... the issue I have isn't actually with the ability to replace destroyed emplacements / structures. Rather in the way he suggests they be brought in, with it being attached to a Killstreak or such.
I find the current method for allowing Orbital Bombardment / Precision Strikes also to be completely stupid, as this focus' on allowing the side that is currently dominating to actually gain are far more commanding position.
As Structure Dropping WILL be in the game, what we should be discussing is actually the best method CCP can use so we don't get the Precision Drop kitten mess we currently have. I mean these should be "tactical" options available from the outset of the mission / complex... forcing Squad Commanders or Platoon Commanders to be far more tactical and conservative over their use to help their Team accomplish an objective rather than the current "I getz m3 moar p0intz!" mentality right now.
We could say for example follow the example of "Seige" or "Triage" mode on Capital Ships, so for example all of the Squad Commanders would have to "link" to an Orbital Ship or Warbarge. These would have a 5 minute Cooldown, which would be with the ship itself (thus shared with everyone linked to it) between Strikes.
This would be the same for the Structures, which like vehicles you would have to purchase pre-game (I don't like the idea of the Market being available in-game, sorry but this is EVE if you didn't think of restocking before the fight then use the Default Setups or always keep a Blueprint-based setup handy... don't cry cause you can't replenish that expensive baller fit) then they could be dropped on the field with say a 1 minute drop timer, as they are dropped from the Warbarge in Orbit rather that being on the MCC like vehicles.
As such when that Structure has been destroyed, you will just have to do without it until the Next Drop is Schedualed. To be honest I wouldn't mind this being based against a "Calibration Point" system as well.
This would mean each Team would have say 2,500 points available... with each Structure costing X points, the "better" the Structure the more points it is. So a Small Turret might be 50 points, Medium 100 points and Large 250 points. As such you would need to think about what Structures would be best to have and where to put them - as opposed to people simply dropping in the best they can afford to.
Now to me that would not only make it more "balanced" for all Players involved, but would also introduce some more tactical thinking over how these aspects are used along with communication if people are "Sharing" them. |
Jonquill Caronite
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
115
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Posted - 2012.10.14 11:35:00 -
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I actually completely agree with you, I seriously hope Orbital strikes wont be based on Warpoints but rather on roles, and the actual availability of the strike bought before hand for use from the Warbarge with a limitation of say 2 uses per match (Ammunition limitation), then additional strikes must be provided by actual EVE players waiting in orbit.
Also no kill-streaks another point I agree with. So basically were on the same page, so long as its agreed that the actual dropping of structures, and payloads, material and direction is a part of the game, and will be occurring. Plus of course the navigation of the MCC, its attack and retreat, the targeting of its main gun, hopefully the ability to destroy bases will return, among other things. But we shall see. |
Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
39
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Posted - 2012.10.14 16:07:00 -
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The Dust 514 soldiers are super soldiers, they have heat resistant armour, repair modules, implants, regenerative biotic attachments, equipment, weapons.
They will never need any of those things that aren't already able to be called in as installations.
And calling them 'care packages' in the first place was just no. |
WHz DS9899
Doomheim
136
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Posted - 2012.10.22 23:45:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:The Dust 514 soldiers are super soldiers, they have heat resistant armour, repair modules, implants, regenerative biotic attachments, equipment, weapons.
They will never need any of those things that aren't already able to be called in as installations.
And calling them 'care packages' in the first place was just no.
So being in the middle of a battle (when they get into the 64v64+ battles on the conquest sized maps) and your almost/out of ammo and your squad is out of nanohives, and I won't need these things? I think not. Plus, the instulations are static, meaning they are stuck there. If your moving only one, you could (possibily, if they use my idea) use just one MTAC and you got a mobile one, which it will have aginst a instulation. these are just weaker than the instulations. |
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