DUST Search - What happened to 1080P?

Maffia- Thug wrote:

Mitchman 514 wrote:

Fasjh wrote:

the PS3 handles Gran Turismo 5 at 1080p and full 60fps... ok, so it took Polyphony Digital several years to make it work, but it shows that it can be done.

imho though, resolution does not equate to graphical fidelity; the human eye can only resolve so much detail, and only in the center of the field of view.

GT 5 is upscaled 1080p. Sure, it tries to do native 1080p, but let's the PS3 downgrade to lower resolutions and then upscale it to 1080p very often. 1080p will only be viable without the automatic upscaling in the next generation consoles.

Hmmmm. I think we need some clarification from sony on this one. IMO, upscaling has nothing to do with what the product(game) says it can support. If it only says 720P then it can only do 720P natively. But if it says 1080P then it can do 1080P natively. If I am correct, I believe that the PS3 doesn't upscale games only video(movies). I will test this when I get home with Madden 13 and GT5. All I am going to do is turn of my upscaling, which it might already be off, and then only have 1080P and 480P enabled in my display settings and which one the game plays in.

I really do believe that the playstation does not upscale anything to 1080P(BluRay) quality. If it upscales it only upscales to 1080i quality. I could be wrong but maybe this is a discussion for Sony.

I will post back tonight with my test results.

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Maffia- Thug 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 62	Posted - 2012.10.03 02:18:00 - [1] - Quote Since the new update I can only play DUST in 720P. On the last build I was able to play in 1080P. What happened? CCP, did you take out the 1080P support now. Is the game going to only support up to 720P now? If so, why when the other builds were 1080P?
Jotun Hiem Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 412	Posted - 2012.10.03 02:33:00 - [2] - Quote How'd you get it to play in 1080? It's always been 720 for me.
Cinnamon267 The Southern Legion 30	Posted - 2012.10.03 03:23:00 - [3] - Quote Were the other builds 1080p? They wouldn't have been native 1920x1080. It would have been upscaled. It's always been 720p here, too.
TiMeSpLiT--TeR Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 326	Posted - 2012.10.03 03:32:00 - [4] - Quote The letters got bigger, so don't get confuse about it. The game was intended to play 720p
Jack Boost Zarena Family 194	Posted - 2012.10.03 07:18:00 - [5] - Quote Check your PS3 console options for graphics.. and check graphics (there is option for upscaling and hdmi)
Skoren1 11	Posted - 2012.10.03 08:36:00 - [6] - Quote My TV told me it was playing at 1080p before the patch now it tells me the single going to it is only 480p so i am thinking a bug reducing the picture quality
Ieukoplast Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 169	Posted - 2012.10.03 08:58:00 - [7] - Quote Maffia- Thug wrote: Since the new update I can only play DUST in 720P. On the last build I was able to play in 1080P. What happened? CCP, did you take out the 1080P support now. Is the game going to only support up to 720P now? If so, why when the other builds were 1080P? It was only a faked 1080p, really just 720 (likely a LOT lower) but upscaled. Some PS3 games do this, some don't. I prefer it when they don't, and play in their native resolution. I hate when the game tries to upscale to 1080 and it ends up being all blurry because my settings are set for 1080 (even though game is really 720 or less).
Maffia- Thug 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 62	Posted - 2012.10.03 17:03:00 - [8] - Quote Ieukoplast wrote: Maffia- Thug wrote: Since the new update I can only play DUST in 720P. On the last build I was able to play in 1080P. What happened? CCP, did you take out the 1080P support now. Is the game going to only support up to 720P now? If so, why when the other builds were 1080P? It was only a faked 1080p, really just 720 (likely a LOT lower) but upscaled. Some PS3 games do this, some don't. I prefer it when they don't, and play in their native resolution. I hate when the game tries to upscale to 1080 and it ends up being all blurry because my settings are set for 1080 (even though game is really 720 or less). Okay guys, read my reply on this post and it will all make sense. The game was made to play in 1080P. I promise you it was. This will answer all of your questions. My post was the last post on page 1 last time I checked. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=38491&find=unread The question I want answered is where did my 1080P go CCP? What happened? Now I can only play in 720P or 480P. When last build I was able to play in 1080P and all the other builds before it.
Maffia- Thug 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 62	Posted - 2012.10.03 17:11:00 - [9] - Quote P.S. What I am talking about has nothing to do with upscaling. I also have Madden 13. It supports 1080P. When I first got the game though it only played in 720P and I couldn't figure this out. That is how I found out about the little adjustment to your display settings on your PS3 that you need to do.
Joey-Number1 Maniacal Miners INC The Omega Industries 32	Posted - 2012.10.03 17:13:00 - [10] - Quote No it wasnt intended for 1080p, I asked ccp some time ago and the devs themselves send me the answer, that there are no plans to make it 1080p but in the future who knows, everything is possible. Thats what they ve said.

Maffia- Thug 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 62	Posted - 2012.10.03 17:14:00 - [11] - Quote Skoren1 wrote: My TV told me it was playing at 1080p before the patch now it tells me the single going to it is only 480p so i am thinking a bug reducing the picture quality Yes sir most likely. If you look at your display settings I'm willing to bet you that you have 720P unchecked.....or your tv doesnt support 720P, which I'm sure it does. Go into your display settings and check 720P and you can play in 720P right now. But, I want 1080P back. The graphics were so much more clearer and all around better.
Maffia- Thug 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 62	Posted - 2012.10.03 17:15:00 - [12] - Quote Joey-Number1 wrote: No it wasnt intended for 1080p, I asked ccp some time ago and the devs themselves send me the answer, that there are no plans to make it 1080p but in the future who knows, everything is possible. Thats what they ve said. Yes sir it was. I promise. Upscaling was only intened for video I believe not games. If what you are saying is true then that means Madden 13 was only meant for 720P and if that's the case, why does it say it supports 1080P on the back?
Maffia- Thug 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 62	Posted - 2012.10.03 17:59:00 - [13] - Quote Maffia- Thug wrote: Since the new update I can only play DUST in 720P. On the last build I was able to play in 1080P. What happened? CCP, did you take out the 1080P support now. Is the game going to only support up to 720P now? If so, why when the other builds were 1080P? Has anyone else experienced this???
Ima Leet Imperfects Negative-Feedback 321	Posted - 2012.10.03 18:53:00 - [14] - Quote most games are not 1080p, the ps3 can not handle real games at real 1080p. the only games you find at real 1080p are PSN games. majority of games are native 720p. nothing wrong here at all IMO if the box says it supports 1080p does not mean its 1080p, it just supports the option.
Maffia- Thug 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 62	Posted - 2012.10.03 19:31:00 - [15] - Quote Ima Leet wrote: most games are not 1080p, the ps3 can not handle real games at real 1080p. the only games you find at real 1080p are PSN games. majority of games are native 720p. nothing wrong here at all IMO if the box says it supports 1080p does not mean its 1080p, it just supports the option. No sir. There is a problem with the Playstation. If you have a game and a tv that support 1080P, I promise you, the game will play in 1080P. Just google this issue and you all will find out the information that I did. You have to set you display settings up and select custom, then un check everything except for 1080P and 480P. And if the game says it's 1080P supported, then the game will play in 1080P. The downside to this is, that if the game does not support 1080P, then it will play in 480P. So, you have to go back into your display settings and select 720P. For some reason the playstation has a bug (flaw), that on most games that support 1080P, will only play up too 720P if your display settings are set to automatic and all formats are selected. I don't know why. But, trust me everyone, I have tested this on multiple games and I have seen and noticed the differences.
Cinnamon267 The Southern Legion 30	Posted - 2012.10.04 08:31:00 - [16] - Quote Maffia- Thug wrote: Skoren1 wrote: My TV told me it was playing at 1080p before the patch now it tells me the single going to it is only 480p so i am thinking a bug reducing the picture quality Yes sir most likely. If you look at your display settings I'm willing to bet you that you have 720P unchecked.....or your tv doesnt support 720P, which I'm sure it does. Go into your display settings and check 720P and you can play in 720P right now. But, I want 1080P back. The graphics were so much more clearer and all around better. You can't have "1080p back" since it wouldn't have been anywhere near 1920x1080. It would have been upscaled. It says 1080p on the back of the box for every 360 game because it supports it through upscaling.
Fasjh Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 32	Posted - 2012.10.04 08:42:00 - [17] - Quote Ima Leet wrote: most games are not 1080p, the ps3 can not handle real games at real 1080p. the only games you find at real 1080p are PSN games. majority of games are native 720p. nothing wrong here at all IMO if the box says it supports 1080p does not mean its 1080p, it just supports the option. the PS3 handles Gran Turismo 5 at 1080p and full 60fps... ok, so it took Polyphony Digital several years to make it work, but it shows that it can be done. imho though, resolution does not equate to graphical fidelity; the human eye can only resolve so much detail, and only in the center of the field of view.
Mitchman 514 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 26	Posted - 2012.10.04 08:52:00 - [18] - Quote Fasjh wrote: the PS3 handles Gran Turismo 5 at 1080p and full 60fps... ok, so it took Polyphony Digital several years to make it work, but it shows that it can be done. imho though, resolution does not equate to graphical fidelity; the human eye can only resolve so much detail, and only in the center of the field of view. GT 5 is upscaled 1080p. Sure, it tries to do native 1080p, but let's the PS3 downgrade to lower resolutions and then upscale it to 1080p very often. 1080p will only be viable without the automatic upscaling in the next generation consoles.
Maffia- Thug 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 62	Posted - 2012.10.04 16:27:00 - [19] - Quote Mitchman 514 wrote: Fasjh wrote: the PS3 handles Gran Turismo 5 at 1080p and full 60fps... ok, so it took Polyphony Digital several years to make it work, but it shows that it can be done. imho though, resolution does not equate to graphical fidelity; the human eye can only resolve so much detail, and only in the center of the field of view. GT 5 is upscaled 1080p. Sure, it tries to do native 1080p, but let's the PS3 downgrade to lower resolutions and then upscale it to 1080p very often. 1080p will only be viable without the automatic upscaling in the next generation consoles. Hmmmm. I think we need some clarification from sony on this one. IMO, upscaling has nothing to do with what the product(game) says it can support. If it only says 720P then it can only do 720P natively. But if it says 1080P then it can do 1080P natively. If I am correct, I believe that the PS3 doesn't upscale games only video(movies). I will test this when I get home with Madden 13 and GT5. All I am going to do is turn of my upscaling, which it might already be off, and then only have 1080P and 480P enabled in my display settings and which one the game plays in. I really do believe that the playstation does not upscale anything to 1080P(BluRay) quality. If it upscales it only upscales to 1080i quality. I could be wrong but maybe this is a discussion for Sony. I will post back tonight with my test results.
Ima Leet Imperfects Negative-Feedback 321	Posted - 2012.10.04 17:14:00 - [20] - Quote no, native means thats what the game was made in. a few games can upscale to 1080p but it will look worse. i try to let my games run at their native resolution as to get the best visual fidelity out of them. real games cannot run full 1080p on the ps3, it just can't handle it. Truth, idc what any of you say. the only games that run Native 1080p are PSN games and that is only some of them. everything else is 720p or less, such as MGS4 and BF3 which apparently are 576p which is a Europe thing, its equivalent to our 480p there is nothing wrong here, the game is 720p

Maffia- Thug 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 62	Posted - 2012.10.04 18:07:00 - [21] - Quote NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! I WILL NOT BELIEVE YOU!!!!!!!!! Just kidding. Lol. I am still going ot do more research on this.
Cinnamon267 The Southern Legion 30	Posted - 2012.10.05 01:18:00 - [22] - Quote Fasjh wrote: Ima Leet wrote: most games are not 1080p, the ps3 can not handle real games at real 1080p. the only games you find at real 1080p are PSN games. majority of games are native 720p. nothing wrong here at all IMO if the box says it supports 1080p does not mean its 1080p, it just supports the option. the PS3 handles Gran Turismo 5 at 1080p and full 60fps... ok, so it took Polyphony Digital several years to make it work, but it shows that it can be done. imho though, resolution does not equate to graphical fidelity; the human eye can only resolve so much detail, and only in the center of the field of view. "1080p" in GT5 is 1280x1080 and they upscale the horizontal frame. Most games that claim to be "1080" are 1080 vertical lines and the horizontal frame is a lot less than 1920.
Cinnamon267 The Southern Legion 30	Posted - 2012.10.05 01:23:00 - [23] - Quote Maffia- Thug wrote: Mitchman 514 wrote: Fasjh wrote: the PS3 handles Gran Turismo 5 at 1080p and full 60fps... ok, so it took Polyphony Digital several years to make it work, but it shows that it can be done. imho though, resolution does not equate to graphical fidelity; the human eye can only resolve so much detail, and only in the center of the field of view. GT 5 is upscaled 1080p. Sure, it tries to do native 1080p, but let's the PS3 downgrade to lower resolutions and then upscale it to 1080p very often. 1080p will only be viable without the automatic upscaling in the next generation consoles. Hmmmm. I think we need some clarification from sony on this one. IMO, upscaling has nothing to do with what the product(game) says it can support. If it only says 720P then it can only do 720P natively. But if it says 1080P then it can do 1080P natively. If I am correct, I believe that the PS3 doesn't upscale games only video(movies). I will test this when I get home with Madden 13 and GT5. All I am going to do is turn of my upscaling, which it might already be off, and then only have 1080P and 480P enabled in my display settings and which one the game plays in. I really do believe that the playstation does not upscale anything to 1080P(BluRay) quality. If it upscales it only upscales to 1080i quality. I could be wrong but maybe this is a discussion for Sony. I will post back tonight with my test results. If it says "1080" on the back is means it supports it through upscaling. On 360 they upscale the native 720 frame. On PS3 can't upscale in the same way the 360 does. It only upscales the horizontal frame. GT5 is 1280x1080 and they upscale the horizontal frame. Wipeout HD has a dynamic framebuffer. It has 1080 vertical lines of resolution and the horizontal frame adjusts to keep the frame rate at 60FPS. It goes between 1280, 1440, 1600, 1645 and 1728. Upscaling has everything to do with it. Same with Shadow of the Colossus. That game on PS3 is 960x1080 and they do a massive upscale of the horizontal frame. The PS3 upscales everything. Not in the same way as the 360, though. Which I've already stated. They gimped the upscaler in the PS3, for some reason. Blu-ray quality has more to do with resolution, too.
Cinnamon267 The Southern Legion 30	Posted - 2012.10.05 01:26:00 - [24] - Quote Ima Leet wrote: no, native means thats what the game was made in. a few games can upscale to 1080p but it will look worse. i try to let my games run at their native resolution as to get the best visual fidelity out of them. real games cannot run full 1080p on the ps3, it just can't handle it. Truth, idc what any of you say. the only games that run Native 1080p are PSN games and that is only some of them. everything else is 720p or less, such as MGS4 and BF3 which apparently are 576p which is a Europe thing, its equivalent to our 480p there is nothing wrong here, the game is 720p MGS4 is 1024x768 and Battlefield 3 is 1280x704. I also can't find any other external evidence suggesting Dust 514 was anything more than 720p. Hard to find it considering the NDA., though. Sorry for multiple posts, too. I'll shut up, now :)
Ieukoplast Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 169	Posted - 2012.10.05 02:59:00 - [25] - Quote Maffia- Thug wrote: P.S. What I am talking about has nothing to do with upscaling. I also have Madden 13. It supports 1080P. When I first got the game though it only played in 720P and I couldn't figure this out. That is how I found out about the little adjustment to your display settings on your PS3 that you need to do. No PS3 game created to date is native 1080p (except for maybe a few PSN games that are not that graphically intense). And that means every PS3 game has to be upscaled from their native resolution, 720p or less, to output at 1080p. Just because your TV says 1080p, doesn't mean the game is a native 1080p resolution, it just means the PS3 is upscaling to match your TV's/PS3's output resolution settings. There is a few different situations where upscaling occurs. 1. The PS3 upscales the game from 720p and outputs at 1080p, your TV will tell you it has 1080p input resolution. 2. The PS3 outputs at 720p and your TV does the upscaling, your TV will say it is a 720p resolution, but in fact it has to upscale to the TV's native resolution in order to fill the screen. So it actually still is a 1080p upscale resolution. Both scenarios will likely result in a slightly blurrier picture than if you were to play the game on a native 720p HDTV and a native 720p game, it just depends on what you have better faith in upscaling, your TV, or the PS3.
Maffia- Thug 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 62	Posted - 2012.10.06 18:55:00 - [26] - Quote Okay guys, I actually contacted Sony and this is what they said. It appears that we were all right in a sense. PS3 games are NOT upconverted. But, at the same time, if a game is advertised 1080P, that doesn't neccassariy mean that it was made for native 1080P but instead 720P. So, the way I understand it, if you start a game and it says 1080P on the box and you can play in 1080P, then it is native 1080P. So, I think this is a very interesting topic. I'd be curious to see what the game manufacturers say. :////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Thank you for contacting PlayStation-« Technical Support. My name is Ayla, and I will be assisting you today. I understand how frustrating it is when a game is advertised 1080p and it only plays in 720p. Unfortunately, the upscale option is for the PlayStation-«One games and the PlayStation-«2 games only, the PlayStation-«3 games do not us the upscale option. The game publisher determines the resolution for the game and what the output for the game is. The publisher may advertise that the game is displayed in 1080p due to the high definition cut scenes in the game. In most cases, the actual game is only designed to play in 720p. If you would like more information regarding this topic I would advise contacting the individual publishers of each game. Thank you so much, for not only your time and patience in this matter, but for also giving me the opportunity to assist you today. Kori, you also may receive a brief survey in your e-mail about the customer service I was able to provide you today. When you do receive the survey, please let me and my supervisor know how satisfied you are with my personal response. Sincerely, Ayla B. PlayStation-« Technical Support 1-800-345-SONY (7669) www.us.playstation.com ://///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// So, back to my original question. I was able to play DUST in a 1080P format and now I cannot. So, WTF? What did you change CCP?... I mean that in a very nice way of course. Lol.
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 208	Posted - 2012.10.06 19:15:00 - [27] - Quote Always played in 720 for me ... right from first build.
Maffia- Thug 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 62	Posted - 2012.10.06 19:46:00 - [28] - Quote Needless Sacermendor wrote: Always played in 720 for me ... right from first build. Did for me too until I learned the trick to deselect every other option in my display settings besides 480P and 1080P.
Leos Valentine Vatta Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 23	Posted - 2012.10.06 20:46:00 - [29] - Quote to quote CCP themselfs Quote: 2012.09.12 13:06:00 GM Bishop Hello, Thanks for your email. DUST 514 is running in 720p so anything that supports that resolution will work fine. Hope this answer your question. Regards, GM Bishop DUST 514 Customer Support Team
Maffia- Thug 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 62	Posted - 2012.10.07 01:12:00 - [30] - Quote Leos Valentine Vatta wrote: to quote CCP themselfs Quote: 2012.09.12 13:06:00 GM Bishop Hello, Thanks for your email. DUST 514 is running in 720p so anything that supports that resolution will work fine. Hope this answer your question. Regards, GM Bishop DUST 514 Customer Support Team Thank you sir. But, the question I would like the answer too is why was I able to play in 1080P before this update?



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