DUST Search - What happened to 1080P?

Maffia- Thug wrote:

Okay guys,

I actually contacted Sony and this is what they said. It appears that we were all right in a sense. PS3 games are NOT upconverted. But, at the same time, if a game is advertised 1080P, that doesn't neccassariy mean that it was made for native 1080P but instead 720P. So, the way I understand it, if you start a game and it says 1080P on the box and you can play in 1080P, then it is native 1080P. So, I think this is a very interesting topic. I'd be curious to see what the game manufacturers say.

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Thank you for contacting PlayStation-« Technical Support. My name is Ayla, and I will be assisting you today. I understand how frustrating it is when a game is advertised 1080p and it only plays in 720p.

Unfortunately, the upscale option is for the PlayStation-«One games and the PlayStation-«2 games only, the PlayStation-«3 games do not us the upscale option. The game publisher determines the resolution for the game and what the output for the game is.

The publisher may advertise that the game is displayed in 1080p due to the high definition cut scenes in the game. In most cases, the actual game is only designed to play in 720p. If you would like more information regarding this topic I would advise contacting the individual publishers of each game.

Thank you so much, for not only your time and patience in this matter, but for also giving me the opportunity to assist you today. Kori, you also may receive a brief survey in your e-mail about the customer service I was able to provide you today. When you do receive the survey, please let me and my supervisor know how satisfied you are with my personal response.

Sincerely,
Ayla B.
PlayStation-« Technical Support
1-800-345-SONY (7669)
www.us.playstation.com

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So, back to my original question. I was able to play DUST in a 1080P format and now I cannot. So, WTF? What did you change CCP?... I mean that in a very nice way of course. Lol.

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Cinnamon267 The Southern Legion 30	Posted - 2012.10.07 04:23:00 - [31] - Quote Maffia- Thug wrote: So, the way I understand it, if you start a game and it says 1080P on the box and you can play in 1080P, then it is native 1080P. So, back to my original question. I was able to play DUST in a 1080P format and now I cannot. So, WTF? What did you change CCP?... I mean that in a very nice way of course. Lol. If it says it is "1080p" on the back of the back it isn't native 1080p. It won't be running at 1920x1080. At most it will be 1280x1080. Very, very, very rarely will a game actually run native 1920x1080p. The only examples I can think of are some sports games, the PS3 version of ICO and Super Stardust HD after the 3D update. My guess it was a bug in the code. Since you seem to be one of the few people who experienced it.
DENT Farrow Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.10.11 21:46:00 - [32] - Quote Actually I used to be able to run it in 1080p and now it's stuck at 720p which just gives the wrong aspect ratio on my tv :(
Maffia- Thug 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 62	Posted - 2012.10.11 23:14:00 - [33] - Quote DENT Farrow wrote: Actually I used to be able to run it in 1080p and now it's stuck at 720p which just gives the wrong aspect ratio on my tv :( I as well sir. But, I guess I am one of the few who was able to play in 1080P.
Ieukoplast Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 169	Posted - 2012.10.12 03:44:00 - [34] - Quote Maffia- Thug wrote: Okay guys, I actually contacted Sony and this is what they said. It appears that we were all right in a sense. PS3 games are NOT upconverted. But, at the same time, if a game is advertised 1080P, that doesn't neccassariy mean that it was made for native 1080P but instead 720P. So, the way I understand it, if you start a game and it says 1080P on the box and you can play in 1080P, then it is native 1080P. So, I think this is a very interesting topic. I'd be curious to see what the game manufacturers say. :////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Thank you for contacting PlayStation-« Technical Support. My name is Ayla, and I will be assisting you today. I understand how frustrating it is when a game is advertised 1080p and it only plays in 720p. Unfortunately, the upscale option is for the PlayStation-«One games and the PlayStation-«2 games only, the PlayStation-«3 games do not us the upscale option. The game publisher determines the resolution for the game and what the output for the game is. The publisher may advertise that the game is displayed in 1080p due to the high definition cut scenes in the game. In most cases, the actual game is only designed to play in 720p. If you would like more information regarding this topic I would advise contacting the individual publishers of each game. Thank you so much, for not only your time and patience in this matter, but for also giving me the opportunity to assist you today. Kori, you also may receive a brief survey in your e-mail about the customer service I was able to provide you today. When you do receive the survey, please let me and my supervisor know how satisfied you are with my personal response. Sincerely, Ayla B. PlayStation-« Technical Support 1-800-345-SONY (7669) www.us.playstation.com ://///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// So, back to my original question. I was able to play DUST in a 1080P format and now I cannot. So, WTF? What did you change CCP?... I mean that in a very nice way of course. Lol. I am pretty sure this rep misunderstood your question. She was referring to the upscale option in the XMB for PS1 and PS2 games, not the upscale we are referring to. Look, PS3 games do get upscaled, they absolutely have to unless they are running an EXACT native output of 1280x720, or 1920x1080. Think about that one for a second, MW2 (and I believe MW3 as well) run native at 600p. Well, most HDTV's out there cannot run a resolution of 600p, if you tried it would likely say "Unsupported resolution" or something to that extent. It's just like your computer monitor, there is only a handful of resolutions that work with it. Well, in order for games not running a perfect native resolution of 1280x720 or 1920x1080, they HAVE to be upscaled to work with our TV's, and the PS3 does this. You yourself have proven my point, as you said you were once able to play at 1080p, even though the devs have told us the game is NOT 1080p. This occurred because the PS3 upscaled the lower native resolution of the game to 1080p, in fact you force upscaled it by un-selecting 720p. This doesn't magically make the game native 1080p, it essentially just blows up the picture to fit a larger resolution frame. Some games do this automatically, some forbid it, and others, like Dusts previous build, allowed it but only if the user forced it. DENT Farrow wrote: Actually I used to be able to run it in 1080p and now it's stuck at 720p which just gives the wrong aspect ratio on my tv :( You probably need to adjust your screen fitting settings. Setting it to "wide screen", "16:9", or "wide fit" may stretch it weirdly, if you have a just-scan option, or a unscaled option, that would likely fix the aspect ratio problem.
Maffia- Thug 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 62	Posted - 2012.10.14 06:50:00 - [35] - Quote Ieukoplast wrote: Some games do this automatically, some forbid it, and others, like Dusts previous build, allowed it but only if the user forced it. This is what I would like to know. Why can I not "Force" it anymore. Regardless of weather is was native or not, the game still looked much better when I "Forced" it.
Ieukoplast Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 169	Posted - 2012.10.14 09:27:00 - [36] - Quote Maffia- Thug wrote: Ieukoplast wrote: Some games do this automatically, some forbid it, and others, like Dusts previous build, allowed it but only if the user forced it. This is what I would like to know. Why can I not "Force" it anymore. Regardless of weather is was native or not, the game still looked much better when I "Forced" it. That I am not sure about, has to do with whatever the devs did with this build. Some games you can force it, some you can't. It's up to the devs to allow that option or not. Not sure why they would deny it, but I am not a game developer so I don't know all the potential consequences.
DENT Farrow Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.10.14 22:19:00 - [37] - Quote Ieukoplast wrote: Maffia- Thug wrote: Okay guys, [quote=DENT Farrow]Actually I used to be able to run it in 1080p and now it's stuck at 720p which just gives the wrong aspect ratio on my tv :( You probably need to adjust your screen fitting settings. Setting it to "wide screen", "16:9", or "wide fit" may stretch it weirdly, if you have a just-scan option, or a unscaled option, that would likely fix the aspect ratio problem. Nope played with all of the screen settings (ingame and ps3) and it's still squished : /
Ieukoplast Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 169	Posted - 2012.10.15 02:28:00 - [38] - Quote DENT Farrow wrote: Ieukoplast wrote: Maffia- Thug wrote: Okay guys, [quote=DENT Farrow]Actually I used to be able to run it in 1080p and now it's stuck at 720p which just gives the wrong aspect ratio on my tv :( You probably need to adjust your screen fitting settings. Setting it to "wide screen", "16:9", or "wide fit" may stretch it weirdly, if you have a just-scan option, or a unscaled option, that would likely fix the aspect ratio problem. Nope played with all of the screen settings (ingame and ps3) and it's still squished : / I was talking about the settings directly on your TV.
Ty 'SweetCheeks' Borg Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 192	Posted - 2012.10.15 15:20:00 - [39] - Quote You've not lost any options at all. Dust, like 90% of Unreal engine games on console, runs at 720p. Fact. Just because your TV is telling you it's 1080p doesn't mean the game is. The game is being output at 720p on a 1080p display. That's it. My TV could be set to 1080p running PS2 games. That doesn't mean the entire game is being output with more pixels and polygons, it's purely the display setting your TV is at. Very very few games get close to 1080p on PS3. Gt5 and Wipeout are two of the few I know of. Like most have said already it's generally reserved for PSN games as they don't tax the PS3 like triple A titles do. I've not seen any triple A title running at 1080p tbh, there all 720p pretty much. If you can't tell just by looking at crappy textures and actually seeing polygons, then there's something wrong imo. Even things like Killzone are 720p with lots of things on there to make it look better than it actually is and that's one of the nicest looking games out there imo. 720p looks horrible in comparison to true 1080p, even upscaled. In fact, there is no comparison imo.
daBiggi Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.10.16 00:07:00 - [40] - Quote Farrow has a point though. Although the image is upscaled either in the PS3 or in the TV, the quality of the scale may not be the same, and if the PS3 has a better upscale than the TV, then the request to let the PS3 do the upscale seems valid. On the other hand, upscaling in the PS3 may eat resources which may have an impact on the game, and thats why it was disabled in the latest build. Only the devs know...

Maffia- Thug 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 62	Posted - 2012.10.18 16:57:00 - [41] - Quote I do understand what everyone is saying. But, a couple of things. 1. My TV does not upscale. It will only show what format is being pushed to it. 2. The sony rep. did say that PS3 games where not upscaled. The upscaling that the PS3 does is only for PS2 games and videos. Regardless though, I used to be able to play DUST in 1080P, upscaled or not, my TV was saying 1080P and my picture quality was better. After this last build, I cannot. That is all I would like to know is why cannot I not now? And why was I able too before? I'm am looking for a Dev's reply to this. What did you change and why did you change it. One other thing to point out. If my PS3 or tv was upscaling it before, why is not now? Wouldn't it be the same now as it was then?
Dzark Kill Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 115	Posted - 2012.10.19 13:47:00 - [42] - Quote Maffia- Thug wrote: I do understand what everyone is saying. But, a couple of things. 1. My TV does not upscale. It will only show what format is being pushed to it. 2. The sony rep. did say that PS3 games where not upscaled. The upscaling that the PS3 does is only for PS2 games and videos. Regardless though, I used to be able to play DUST in 1080P, upscaled or not, my TV was saying 1080P and my picture quality was better. After this last build, I cannot. That is all I would like to know is why cannot I not now? And why was I able too before? I'm am looking for a Dev's reply to this. What did you change and why did you change it. One other thing to point out. If my PS3 or tv was upscaling it before, why is not now? Wouldn't it be the same now as it was then? There was a big graphic improvement in the last patch, as the post directly before you assumed, this was probably done intentionally by the dev to free up resource on your PS3 to allow teh game to run smoother. The PS3 is struggling to run DUST smooth at 720p with all the frame rate drops.graphics lag. I think this is the most likely reason.


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