The cost of the non-Merc Pack BPOs is prohibitive unless they're your primary AUR expenditure.

They AREN'T game-changing, and (again, with the exception of the Dragonfly) they still require the relevant SP investment.

There's NOTHING about ANY of the BPOs available that can't be done equally well, or better, with sensible use of ISK. There's nothing about any of the BPOs that gives you a real advantage in battle. They're STANDARD gear AT BEST, there are 2 tiers of equipment above them for EVERY role in the game.

seriously

I do like the points you bring up. The Sever logistics makes me feel like a creamsicle. I usually use the PG/CPU as much as I can. My Logi has his PG capped and 4 free CPU. One highslot is missing but they are useless for his current purpose.

Point #4 is what I'm really getting at. When my team is losing by a lot I have a cheap suit that I can field which is compairable to the majority of suits the enemy is fielding. I like the advantage, but it's very unfair.

Proto BPOs in general circulation would be game breaking, yes. It could actually happen, as you point out, but then again CCP deciding to introduce a $50/month subscription could happen.

Tournament prizes such as the BO LAV BPOs aren't really game breaking as they will be in such limited supply that they can't have much of an impact. That said, I'd rather see the tourney prizes be limited run blueprint copies.

There are now four permanent dropsuits that have standard dropsuit stats. These are currently very unbalancing for the game due to the fact there is no loss associated with their death.

I hope that soon these permanent suits will have a build cost to them. Either in isk or raw materials if manufacturing ever comes into the game. Obviously the cost should be equal or very slightly (5%) reduced from the standard suits they represent.

Sadly this would tick off a lot of people who just want a large advantage over other people but something needs to be done to maintain a balance within the game.

Note: I currently own all four of these suits (Two of the dragonfly). A Nerf to these suits effects me and the soul reason I bought the second Merc pack.. But it needs to be done.

One thing to keep in mind is that a militia suit, with no adjustments, is 100% free.

The point of the BPO just like in EVE is you pay more upfront for it but then it lasts forever.

You can also save ISK by using AUR for other single use suits as well. Thereby giving you an ISK advantage. Is this pay to win too? Your still using real money to help cost you less ISK in game.

There is a lot to read and I have to admit I got bored. I understand the OP's point of view though that the BPO should have some cost attached to it. Just because you own a blueprint doesn't mean it doesn't cost ISK to build one. I think a reduced cost would suffice. 25 to 50% of its equal grade dropsuit considering all you need are materials and fabrication costs.

True, but you also have to pay to manufacture it. If they implemented this, I'd personally love it. Also, keep in mind that I use these BPOs to run matches for higher profit. I make on average 200k a match running with these suits because they give me the extra stats above militia.



Yes, but you pay once, then never have to pay again. At 12500/50 you'd have to use 250 of these BPO suits to equal the same cost as the BPC Aur varient... Which I've probably used up 1000 in less than 2 months. I'm glad its saving me money on my cheap fits, but its not quite fair. I plan on playing this game for years so the cost per death will quickly amount to 1 AUR or less.



This is another Idea I'd be all for except that it should be more inline with Eve. 10% profit when it hits all the research and manufacturing marks.

Yes, but you pay once, then never have to pay again. At 12500/50 you'd have to use 250 of these BPO suits to equal the same cost as the BPC Aur varient... Which I've probably used up 1000 in less than 2 months. I'm glad its saving me money on my cheap fits, but its not quite fair. I plan on playing this game for years so the cost per death will quickly amount to 1 AUR or less.

Since I just barely missed out on the suits, I wasn't able to check out their stats.

One thing to keep in mind is that a militia suit, with no adjustments, is 100% free. All the weapons, modules, equipment and suit are BPO. You can say, add a nanohive and still run that entire suit at only the cost of a nanohive. Or if you change out a single module, the only cost would be the module.

With the skinweaves, there is no BPO weapons, modulus or equipment (unless you have one specifically to use, like the Toxin SMG or something). So in order to use the same exact loadout you did with the militia suit, it will cost since you now have to buy all the militia gear to outfit the suit.

The only advantage is that you no longer have to buy a suit, which is probably a very small gain, if no gain, over a 100% pure militia suit with BPO everything. And the stat gains are probably extremely minimal vs a BPO militia suit.

However I would still like to see the stats on the skinweaves.

You pay to manufacture a BPO which is used to make BPCs with various amounts of runs specified at time of creation. The BPCs are then used to run off the actual product. BPOs, as far as I remember, aren't used to make the final product. Mind you that manufacturing and production will be entirely Eve side. It's infinitesimal to the Nth degree that resource gathering, processing, and manufacturing will ever appear in Dust.

Also, if you think saving ISK with a BPO is game breaking, then you should be of the opinion that all positive ISK gains are game breaking. In the end, it's not how much ISK or gear you have, it's how you use it to win or loose.

And yes, Eve players are LMAOing at this.

If you are still using a type 1 suit after a year, then you will probably be getting pummeled and need it to be infinite in order to make up for the deaths you have. The type 1 suit is a cheap, baseline hold over until you can unlock the type A. It's functionable, it's workable, but in order to use any serious gear on it you need to upgrade to a better suit. If you could fully outfit a type 1 with complex plates, GEK or above, decent 'nades, an injector or hive, a sidearm, and advanced damage mods or shield extenders then I would agree, but as it is you have to be careful how you fit it no matter how high you get your engineering and electronics skills. Since using it keeps you behind the curb on modules and gear, there is no reason it shouldn't be free to use indefinitely. By using it you are putting yourself at a disadvantage, perhaps not at first, but definitely down the road, and that is payment enough for having a "free" fit you bought with real money. Dwindling relevance and reliability.

Dust has two things going for it that no other FPS has touched: A persistant world and fights with real Risk vs Reward. I'd rather CCP not break either of those anytime soon.

Honestly, with either Militia OR Standard gear, there's minimal risk whether you're running blueprints or ISK-per-spawn versions. There's also a lot less reward to using blueprints vs. replaceable items.

I have two characters with identical fittings except for one factor - one of my characters has a Dragonfly Scout suit, and the other runs the fitting with an ISK-per-use Standard Scout Dropsuit (identical stats to the Dragonfly).

With almost identical relevant skills, and almost identical performance in a match, the suit where I'm paying ISK for every death typically earns me more - both in terms of SP and ISK. There's apparently a modifier applied based on the value of the gear you're bringing into the battle, and blueprints, due to their permanent nature, are treated as 0 cost, meaning a reduction in the value of your post-match rewards.

EDIT: Note that I'm phasing out my use of the term "BPO" in favour of "blueprint" since DUST doesn't seem to use the "blueprint copy" and "blueprint original" mechanics of EVE, and the in-game tutorials refer to permanent items as "blueprints" and not BPOs.