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Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
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Posted - 2012.09.29 14:57:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:GM Hercules wrote:So,
I have a theory and is that you can find good players everywhere! some players spend lot of time playing the different video games or just one video game. But the important is not really know who is the best or the worst, probably the best is to find nice people willing to teach others and willing to have fun, because in the end of the day, any video game is for have fun with friends.
In the other hand I'll appreciate if we refer to other players with respect!
Cheers!
The MAG players can't help it, it's in their nature to bicker like children. Since, I've joined, however, all of the hate and bravado are coming from non-MAG players. Hence, this thread
Would i, an honest Goon start a thread to cause an argument? |
Phoenix Archer 128
Better Hide R Die
89
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Posted - 2012.09.29 15:01:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:GM Hercules wrote:So,
I have a theory and is that you can find good players everywhere! some players spend lot of time playing the different video games or just one video game. But the important is not really know who is the best or the worst, probably the best is to find nice people willing to teach others and willing to have fun, because in the end of the day, any video game is for have fun with friends.
In the other hand I'll appreciate if we refer to other players with respect!
Cheers!
The MAG players can't help it, it's in their nature to bicker like children. Since, I've joined, however, all of the hate and bravado are coming from non-MAG players. Hence, this thread
I see that a lot. Yes it happens on all sides...but a lot of the crap about MAG players and why we're worthless is coming from players from a game that isn't even an FPS...and they want to tell us how to play a genre we already know?
They wonder why many of us don't care for them...yet, when we say anything bad about them they devolve into crying and insult-throwing while claiming they're better...Real mature... |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.09.29 15:36:00 -
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Cerebral is just trying to stir up hatred because he's a scrub yo. Good old EvEtard FPS pros. (haven't had to use that word in a while). |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
760
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Posted - 2012.09.29 16:00:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Cerebral is just trying to stir up hatred because he's a scrub yo. Good old EvEtard FPS pros. (haven't had to use that word in a while).
Because he's a scrub yo? I didn't realise you lived in the ghetto. |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.09.29 16:29:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Tony Calif wrote:Cerebral is just trying to stir up hatred because he's a scrub yo. Good old EvEtard FPS pros. (haven't had to use that word in a while). Because he's a scrub yo? I didn't realise you lived in the ghetto.
Scrub yo is a throwback to the MAG days |
Salazar Skye-fire
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2012.09.29 16:30:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Salazar Skye-fire wrote:the mag kiddies tried to take the fame in round one with their nonsense now the EVE school of how-things-are-done is in session.  most of it's a bit "mature" and "high brow" and your average console kiddie.
and thats why im enjoying this side of it :D |
TotalBreakage
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
410
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Posted - 2012.09.29 16:35:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Tony Calif wrote:Cerebral is just trying to stir up hatred because he's a scrub yo. Good old EvEtard FPS pros. (haven't had to use that word in a while). Because he's a scrub yo? I didn't realise you lived in the ghetto. Scrub yo is a throwback to the MAG days
He has to get his mag forum slang game up, yo! That is, if he's going to try and understand us. |
Salazar Skye-fire
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2012.09.29 16:37:00 -
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Phoenix Archer 128 wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:GM Hercules wrote:So,
I have a theory and is that you can find good players everywhere! some players spend lot of time playing the different video games or just one video game. But the important is not really know who is the best or the worst, probably the best is to find nice people willing to teach others and willing to have fun, because in the end of the day, any video game is for have fun with friends.
In the other hand I'll appreciate if we refer to other players with respect!
Cheers!
The MAG players can't help it, it's in their nature to bicker like children. Since, I've joined, however, all of the hate and bravado are coming from non-MAG players. Hence, this thread I see that a lot. Yes it happens on all sides...but a lot of the crap about MAG players and why we're worthless is coming from players from a game that isn't even an FPS...and they want to tell us how to play a genre we already know? They wonder why many of us don't care for them...yet, when we say anything bad about them they devolve into crying and insult-throwing while claiming they're better...Real mature...
dubs it died down quite a bit on this build all the trolls went on hiatus then news of the new build they all came back like flies on ****. sad really.
phoenix, kiddies comming from 1 shooter they played a few years makes them an expert in that field? so with that logic a doctor,carpenter, mechanic, or any other treadesmen who passes their classes and goes out into the field is a master in their trade? games are all different and change with age EVE ppl know the system and the game FPS ppl are just trying to rub one off like a wannabe jersey shore episode. |
Gauder Berwyck
Deadly Blue Dots
RISE of LEGION
217
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Posted - 2012.09.29 16:38:00 -
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To those who are unaware:
Noob - A newbie to the game. Does have improvement potential but mostly end up as scrubs. Some become elite O-holders and some few become tryhards.
Scrub - Someone who's bad and who has no way to improve. Will forever stay a scrub.
Elite O-holder - Knows how to fire a gun at someone but isn't great at it. Knows the rules of the games and play as a team.
Tryhard - Someone who tries hard to be good, and usually are, but they are still tryhards.... |
TotalBreakage
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
410
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Posted - 2012.09.29 16:45:00 -
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Gauder Berwyck wrote:To those who are unaware:
Noob - A newbie to the game. Does have improvement potential but mostly end up as scrubs. Some become elite O-holders and some few become tryhards.
Scrub - Someone who's bad and who has no way to improve. Will forever stay a scrub.
Elite O-holder - Knows how to fire a gun at someone but isn't great at it. Knows the rules of the games and play as a team.
Tryhard - Someone who tries hard to be good, and usually are, but they are still tryhards....
Never heard elite O holder before, its not MAG slang.
Scrub(s), e-peen, yo, OP is something that was very common to see on the MAG forums. The MAG forums where great, that being said, you cant understand the MAG community with out being part of the forums. |
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Bishop Blackstone
Doomheim
9
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Posted - 2012.09.29 16:45:00 -
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Us MAG players just love to compete for the rights to be called elite.. we understand it takes more than just kills to win a match.. we now the value of having a strong team... Do I think I'm better than non mag players.. not exactly but I do feel that I have the skillset Non-MAG players lack.. the ability to put the team first nd do watever it takes for the WIN. |
Ydubbs81 RND
48
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Posted - 2012.09.29 17:02:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Tony Calif wrote:Cerebral is just trying to stir up hatred because he's a scrub yo. Good old EvEtard FPS pros. (haven't had to use that word in a while). Because he's a scrub yo? I didn't realise you lived in the ghetto.
Are you one of those?? |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.09.29 17:04:00 -
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"Scrub - Someone who's bad and who has no way to improve. Will forever stay a scrub."
Not quite Gauder. It comes from before FPS hit consoles. First time I heard of it was Mortal Kombat 2. It refers to people who are so unable to use control pads they just mash their hand over the button, "scrubbing" the pad. They then progressed to button bashing, holding the controller properly, but not fighting in any sensible manner. Then then got good. Then better. Eventually, I turned out ok at MK2. No-one dares play me at it (I'm terrible at the new one with X-ray moves ect...)
Tbh seeing players improve is vital to any long lasting clan. Hence Cerebral being all nicey nicey join the goons if you don't think KDR is important. So what if they suck for 6 months. A year later he has a huge number of capable players. Not gods, but people who will play for the win.
Propaganda Shennanigans. |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation
Test Friends Please Ignore
1591
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Posted - 2012.09.29 17:19:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=29832&find=unread
Something very important to everyone here in regards to the whole mag vs Eve and console vs PC debate.
Let this be a friendly reminder that both sides should stop bickering and work together toward a common goal that we all share which is to help CCP make DUST the best game in the market next to Eve online. Besides, don't we both love DUST for its potential? |
Gauder Berwyck
Deadly Blue Dots
RISE of LEGION
217
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Posted - 2012.09.29 17:21:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:"Scrub - Someone who's bad and who has no way to improve. Will forever stay a scrub."
Not quite Gauder. It comes from before FPS hit consoles. First time I heard of it was Mortal Kombat 2. It refers to people who are so unable to use control pads they just mash their hand over the button, "scrubbing" the pad. They then progressed to button bashing, holding the controller properly, but not fighting in any sensible manner. Then then got good. Then better. Eventually, I turned out ok at MK2. No-one dares play me at it (I'm terrible at the new one with X-ray moves ect...)
Tbh seeing players improve is vital to any long lasting clan. Hence Cerebral being all nicey nicey join the goons if you don't think KDR is important. So what if they suck for 6 months. A year later he has a huge number of capable players. Not gods, but people who will play for the win.
Propaganda Shennanigans.
Didn't know the original definition of scrub, interesting I love those kinda connections. The definition of scrub I posted is the one I have had for a while, and heard others uttered on more than one occasion. I guess words change, I mean, awful started out as Awefull, a positive word!
As for the goonfeet, of course many noobs will make it into the grades of elite O-holders, they after all have the ability to improve 
I guess what it will boil down to is how many people in X different timezones will it take to successfully defend a planet. Eperience gets you places definitely. I started my console shooter experience with Warhawk, ended up with a 0.9something KDR, went on to MAG with a 1.33KDR and now am at a comfortable 3ish. It takes time to get to a good level, especially for someone "old" like me. I doubt newbies to shooters will overcome those who have a few years of experience in just 6 months...
We'll see soon(tm) enough. |
Phoenix Archer 128
Better Hide R Die
89
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Posted - 2012.09.29 17:22:00 -
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Salazar Skye-fire wrote:Phoenix Archer 128 wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:GM Hercules wrote:So,
I have a theory and is that you can find good players everywhere! some players spend lot of time playing the different video games or just one video game. But the important is not really know who is the best or the worst, probably the best is to find nice people willing to teach others and willing to have fun, because in the end of the day, any video game is for have fun with friends.
In the other hand I'll appreciate if we refer to other players with respect!
Cheers!
The MAG players can't help it, it's in their nature to bicker like children. Since, I've joined, however, all of the hate and bravado are coming from non-MAG players. Hence, this thread I see that a lot. Yes it happens on all sides...but a lot of the crap about MAG players and why we're worthless is coming from players from a game that isn't even an FPS...and they want to tell us how to play a genre we already know? They wonder why many of us don't care for them...yet, when we say anything bad about them they devolve into crying and insult-throwing while claiming they're better...Real mature... dubs it died down quite a bit on this build all the trolls went on hiatus then news of the new build they all came back like flies on ****. sad really. phoenix, kiddies comming from 1 shooter they played a few years makes them an expert in that field? so with that logic a doctor,carpenter, mechanic, or any other treadesmen who passes their classes and goes out into the field is a master in their trade? games are all different and change with age EVE ppl know the system and the game FPS ppl are just trying to rub one off like a wannabe jersey shore episode.
So...you'll take my advice if I were to tell you how to play EVE? Good to know. Because that's what I see happening; people with little console FPS experience (or little FPS experience in general) telling FPS players how to play...an FPS. Its like one of us telling an EVE player how to play EVE. Its just doesn't work.
For many MAG players, MAG wasn't the first FPS they've played. Heck, I've been playing FPSs for...somewhere between 18 and 20 years. So, um...yeah...can't exactly say I don't have any experience here.
We have people trying to make an FPS into an MMO (where your skill [as in player skill, not SP skill] doesn't matter, your gear/money/skills do) and/or trying to say that unless you use only these EVE strategies and apply what an EVE player tells you to (which has a good chance at not working, at least not until they open up the game, but even then may still not work), and doesn't consider that the games are part of two different genres and they may not be the gods they think they are.
We want the game to stay true to an FPS; making player skill matter first and foremost; the game mechanics to work properly; grouping with friends and clanmates and have organized battles work. We don't want people turning this into a skill-less gear-focused game where it doesn't matter who fights, only what it is they're using. We also don't like being told that we have to deal with that and stop telling EVE players that they're wrong in trying to change the FPS part of the game. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.09.29 17:28:00 -
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Tosch, while I agree keeping things civil, it's depressing hearing about people who simply don't understand the nature of FPS. Had a chat with someone today, who just wants to fly Dropships. That's all. Wtf are you playing an FPS? Or the guys who repair you while you fighting. Bececause their bullets aren't worth firing apparently according to them. Because "they're not good".
Well, get better or go play the sims. Only way to get better is try.
I am still shocked friendly fire is off in high sec. That is one thing which puts MAG clans off. We sometimes stop firing so we don't shoot our team. |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
760
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Posted - 2012.09.29 18:10:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Tosch, while I agree keeping things civil, it's depressing hearing about people who simply don't understand the nature of FPS. Had a chat with someone today, who just wants to fly Dropships. That's all. Wtf are you playing an FPS? Or the guys who repair you while you fighting. Bececause their bullets aren't worth firing apparently according to them. Because "they're not good".
Well, get better or go play the sims. Only way to get better is try.
I am still shocked friendly fire is off in high sec. That is one thing which puts MAG clans off. We sometimes stop firing so we don't shoot our team.
Thats very unfair, you're going to need people who like to play logi and fly a dropship at some point in the future and you're going to rely on people like that at some point.
I love that people still can't see that there are people that play FPS games and EVE, i personally was one of the first 100 people on XBL to get the Mile High Club achievement on Modern Warfare and thats not an easy thing to achieve. I even use to be professionally sponsored by a company in the UK. Just because i play EVE does not mean i'm not capable of playing a FPS and that goes for a lot of EVE players. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.09.29 18:20:00 -
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I shouldn't be so hard on you tbh Cerebral. You're alright at the FPS side of things. But the bottom line remains. Scrubs need to practise to get good. And they need to try things they might fail.
Like I say, chat to some MAG players who actually had a brain in addition to raw skill. Aside from which MAG was not a raw gun game experience. Enigma99 said it first; UT/Q3 players will be the best. If they come here. If they leave UT & Q3.
Established MAG clans are simply go to Mercs. If they fail you in Dust, they're scrubs. Easiest way to deal with it. |
Cerebral Wolf Jr
Immobile Infantry
760
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Posted - 2012.09.29 18:42:00 -
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Thing is i honestly think SP makes a huge difference in a battle, The new guys are ****** from the start at the moment until they hit that 5m SP mark and they have some good, solid core skills behind them.
Till that point they are gonna screwed no matter what they do or how they do it. |
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Phoenix Archer 128
Better Hide R Die
89
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Posted - 2012.09.29 18:52:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:I shouldn't be so hard on you tbh Cerebral. You're alright at the FPS side of things. But the bottom line remains. Scrubs need to practise to get good. And they need to try things they might fail.
Like I say, chat to some MAG players who actually had a brain in addition to raw skill. Aside from which MAG was not a raw gun game experience. Enigma99 said it first; UT/Q3 players will be the best. If they come here. If they leave UT & Q3.
Established MAG clans are simply go to Mercs. If they fail you in Dust, they're scrubs. Easiest way to deal with it.
Game is way too different from either to get them to play Dust. |
Fierces Dave
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
19
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Posted - 2012.09.29 19:13:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=29832&find=unread
Something very important to everyone here in regards to the whole mag vs Eve and console vs PC debate.
Let this be a friendly reminder that both sides should stop bickering and work together toward a common goal that we all share which is to help CCP make DUST the best game in the market next to Eve online. Besides, don't we both love DUST for its potential?
^this |
Ydubbs81 RND
48
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Posted - 2012.09.29 19:25:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Tosch, while I agree keeping things civil, it's depressing hearing about people who simply don't understand the nature of FPS. Had a chat with someone today, who just wants to fly Dropships. That's all. Wtf are you playing an FPS? Or the guys who repair you while you fighting. Bececause their bullets aren't worth firing apparently according to them. Because "they're not good".
Well, get better or go play the sims. Only way to get better is try.
I am still shocked friendly fire is off in high sec. That is one thing which puts MAG clans off. We sometimes stop firing so we don't shoot our team.
I'm going to have to agree with cerebral on this one....that is a bit harsh. I don't mind guys who want to specialize in certain things because they feel their fps skills are already saturated. I love games that allow someone who isn't a great shooter to play a role and still be a decisive factor in the battle.
Its like in MAG....shooters aren't going to go out and repair your frontline for you. Nor, will they risk dying trying to repair the gates at the letters. Even in DUST...killers may not run around the field looking for armor to repair.
The only thing I don't like about some players is that they like to stay in the spawn area and not move towards objectives. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.09.29 21:31:00 -
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Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:Thing is i honestly think SP makes a huge difference in a battle, The new guys are ****** from the start at the moment until they hit that 5m SP mark and they have some good, solid core skills behind them.
Till that point they are gonna screwed no matter what they do or how they do it.
Heh I fully agree here. SP is OP. But another thing about Dust is PvE. Look at Borderlands. CoD zombies. Multiplayer team based gaming is where these guys can improve both skills, decide their role, gather ISK and gain SP.
I'll be playing the PvE regardless of rewards, because that's the place I can just muck about.
My problem with the "I wanna fly!" logic is that they neglect other vital areas of training. Look at them tankies. 20 mil SP and no type 2 dropsuits...
It's just like how I have a problem when assault rifle infantry DOESN'T have Av nades. I mean, wtf?
Edit: I just get all grumpy about poorly balanced loadouts... |
Scurvy Granger
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
75
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Posted - 2012.09.29 22:01:00 -
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Salazar Skye-fire wrote:Phoenix Archer 128 wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote:GM Hercules wrote:So,
I have a theory and is that you can find good players everywhere! some players spend lot of time playing the different video games or just one video game. But the important is not really know who is the best or the worst, probably the best is to find nice people willing to teach others and willing to have fun, because in the end of the day, any video game is for have fun with friends.
In the other hand I'll appreciate if we refer to other players with respect!
Cheers!
The MAG players can't help it, it's in their nature to bicker like children. Since, I've joined, however, all of the hate and bravado are coming from non-MAG players. Hence, this thread I see that a lot. Yes it happens on all sides...but a lot of the crap about MAG players and why we're worthless is coming from players from a game that isn't even an FPS...and they want to tell us how to play a genre we already know? They wonder why many of us don't care for them...yet, when we say anything bad about them they devolve into crying and insult-throwing while claiming they're better...Real mature... dubs it died down quite a bit on this build all the trolls went on hiatus then news of the new build they all came back like flies on ****. sad really. phoenix, kiddies comming from 1 shooter they played a few years makes them an expert in that field? so with that logic a doctor,carpenter, mechanic, or any other treadesmen who passes their classes and goes out into the field is a master in their trade? games are all different and change with age EVE ppl know the system and the game FPS ppl are just trying to rub one off like a wannabe jersey shore episode.
Horrible analogy...nice try though.
"A nurse is able to be a good nurse, but can't perform brain surgery" might have been a better fit.
This thread is just to stir up trouble and you know that, but yet you jump right on the wagon as well?
I'll say this about Dust in general:
-EVE players know the mechanics and politics
-FPS players know how to kill the enemy
-MAG players know how to work as a team to beat the enemy
-All this combined has me interested and excited about the full realease of Dust |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.09.29 22:05:00 -
[56] - Quote
+1 scurvy |
Scurvy Granger
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
75
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Posted - 2012.09.29 22:13:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Tosch, while I agree keeping things civil, it's depressing hearing about people who simply don't understand the nature of FPS. Had a chat with someone today, who just wants to fly Dropships. That's all. Wtf are you playing an FPS? Or the guys who repair you while you fighting. Bececause their bullets aren't worth firing apparently according to them. Because "they're not good".
Well, get better or go play the sims. Only way to get better is try.
I am still shocked friendly fire is off in high sec. That is one thing which puts MAG clans off. We sometimes stop firing so we don't shoot our team.
Whille being able to kill the enemy is important if you know anything about real combat you'd know that the support roles are just as important.
That being said Dust looks to be working towards being the game that comes closest to real coordinated combat. So those support roles in which the players heal you or fly you around are going to be just as important as your ability to run around killing clones.
Good luck winning a game without any pilots/medics/drivers/etc.
EDIT: I will say though that a FPS player does need to be a bit more rounded than just healing or flying so I agree they need to practice and try to get better, but I wouldn't tell them to go play the sims. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.09.29 22:35:00 -
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Tbh, I do regret that comment. I wouldn't wish the sims on anyone really.
:D
So long as people can enjoy the game with friends, does it really matter if it's Hisec PvE where KDR wont matter at all,or Null sec with "elite" clans.
We are only testing the PvP. Often with unfair teams in regards SP & groups. The Playerbase is growing, and I think next build with Corps ect, we might see the first improvised player corp battles.
The other thing is those guys running PvE will be paying tax to a corp. They don't just support players, they support your whole corp. Especially when industry starts.
There is so much on offer with Dust once CCP get "everything" working. There will be a place for everyone. |
SWEETY muffin CAKES
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2012.09.29 22:49:00 -
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deleted because this thread is way too friendly to allow it to be tainted by drama :D |
DON RODIE II
Deep Space Republic
168
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Posted - 2012.09.29 23:17:00 -
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lol @ call of shytty |
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