Oh look it has attracted another one.

"Oh not another KDR thread..." Sorry but I just had to.

KDR is the most important stat, thats a fact.

In Skirmish we have a nice little bar that shows how much shield and armor both of the teams' MCC have left. On the bottom you can se available clone reserves, in other words how many clones have a team lost so far during this battle. I implore you to pay attention at the end of games and see the similarities between getting owned and, well, getting owned. I played for 4-5 hours yesterday and had a lot of Skirmish games for once and in all the battles the winning team also had the most kills. It also seemed that the more kills the winning team got, relative to the loosing team, the "bigger" the win was. (By bigger I mean you win the game with lots of armor or even shields left on your MCC).

I don't think that this applies to every single game, there will be exceptions. Like when the loosing team is 90% snipers hanging on top of hills and such and couldn't care less about the objective.

There are also some exceptions on the personal level:
- If your one of those "hang as far away as possible from harms way" kind of snipers and couldn't really care less about the outcome of the battle. Your personal KDR doesn't really say much about anything else than perhaps your aim.
- Its a little dodgy perhaps since the tanks just got nerfed a lot, but at least pre-nerf tanking and getting a KDR of 20 isn't very impressive.
- Dedicated pilots and I'm sure there's many more good examples.

So lets take all the kittens out of the equation and your left with the objective oriented "wanna win at all cost" kind of players. Do you really think a well organised team of good players stand a chance against a team of elite killers? Do you really see yourself winning when your boys keep getting dropped over and over again?

Don't think that your a great contributor to the win when you hav 0.3 KDR just because you wave a repair gun occationally. And don't think you're the only one picking people up just because you have a logi suit, I and many more carry it with us on our Scout suits even.

And don't get me wrong, I don't mean that your a scrub if you don't have a 3 KDR. As long as its at least "1", then no one is entitled to smack talk in my opinion, you've held your own. But please, pretty please, with sugar on top, don't act like KDR is some BS stat only used by tryhards to brag about their epic skills. This is a shooter, being good at shooting people is very important....

[I make this post to try and get some people to work more on their gun game. I had a 0.62 KDR in MAG before I decided to "get gud" and I got myself up to an average between 2 and 3 with some effort and training. I was still the same O-holder (team player) as I always was, just better at the killing part aswell. You can always be both.]

Babar is right though... Just sayin'

KDR IS THE DECIDING FACTOR OF THE QUALITY OF THE PLAYER NO EXEPTIONS [<______>]

It's pointless .. really .. KDR is too general as a statistic to be relevant for evaluating a players abilities. As the OP already said:
There are exceptions
to his statement which makes the whole statement subjective and irrelevant. It's a single number that compares the OVERALL number of deaths to the OVERALL number of kills. It does not seperate between weapons, skill levels, compared latencies etc. It just generalises way too much to have an impact.

Let's have an example: My Girlfriend plays Dust with me. Usually we play together and she's riding the gunner on my LAV having an average of 6/1 and 12/1 at the end of the game. On the other hand she's not the best one at medium to close range gunfighting. Now what does her KDR say?

I bet you say: Nothing at all cause gunners don't count .. or snipers ... or pilots ... or Devs ... or Lampposts

How many people are counted into the relevant amount of examples then ?

Although some of your points are valid and your overall argument can be applied to every FPS game out there, you must realize that you represent a small percentage of those that play this game. There are others who play the game who aren't affected by the KDR aspect of the game. There are others still who may not care about KDR but care about winning. And there are others even still that grief others and neither care about KDR or winning altogether.

Find like minded folks to play with and, what it really comes down to, have fun playing a game meant for the entertainment value.

Seran, the thing in shooters is that the type of obstacles is what defines the game. In a team game, or even the earliest versions of Skirmish, the obstacle was "Destroy point X to advance to next level". These type of obstacles make it so that KDR means less as long as you eventually destroy the points.

Dust right now is a KDR game. Basically, kill everything around an objective to control the objective.

Only on first sight. There are alternatives to clashing two blobs. In my sight it's a mere coincidence that people who learned to effectively use their weapons (coming down as a +1 KDR) also know how to have an impact on the battlefield.

Your point is right though on behalf of linear and parallel capturing of objectives. Right now it's mostly zerging from one objective to another without the least intent on actual defense. I know .. offense is the best defense, but player's skill extend beyond simple pointrushing. It contains (even in gunfight only):

- movement anticipation
- behaviour anticipation
- name spotting and adaption
- class/role spotting
- timing
- luck

Those are the skills that boil down on KDR. But what about those that spent the ++bertank build harassing tanks with Swarm Launchers to keep them from smashing their team and yet just getting killed all the time?
Where does team effort come into play here? Do we get 0.5 kills for assists? 0.1 kills if the killer was repaired? Oh and what about the sniper that killed the tank driver before he got into his tank? He just get's one .. even though he has the same effect to keep the tank ot of the fight than the other tank driver that kills 3 people in the tank with the same effort.

I like your input sir!

This little thing called fun is what its all about. And yes, people have different oppinions on that aswell. In my puny little head competitive online gaming is a lazy mans sport, I'd just aswell play a basketball game if they could be bothered to make a good one. And as it is with all sports worth playing, playing in itself should be fun enough. Working your kitten off and getting that last second win will however grant me much more fun than sitting on a hilltop with a sniper rifle taking pot shots at the occational target...

I hope and believe there are many more like myself which finds the hard pressed games with constant action and pressure on the objectives the most enjoyable, not the ones were we do some line-dancing in the middle off the road just to pass the time...

What's a KDR? and how do I get one??