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KingBabar
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Posted - 2012.09.25 14:11:00 -
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"Oh not another KDR thread..." Sorry but I just had to.
KDR is the most important stat, thats a fact.
In Skirmish we have a nice little bar that shows how much shield and armor both of the teams' MCC have left. On the bottom you can se available clone reserves, in other words how many clones have a team lost so far during this battle. I implore you to pay attention at the end of games and see the similarities between getting owned and, well, getting owned. I played for 4-5 hours yesterday and had a lot of Skirmish games for once and in all the battles the winning team also had the most kills. It also seemed that the more kills the winning team got, relative to the loosing team, the "bigger" the win was. (By bigger I mean you win the game with lots of armor or even shields left on your MCC).
I don't think that this applies to every single game, there will be exceptions. Like when the loosing team is 90% snipers hanging on top of hills and such and couldn't care less about the objective.
There are also some exceptions on the personal level:
- If your one of those "hang as far away as possible from harms way" kind of snipers and couldn't really care less about the outcome of the battle. Your personal KDR doesn't really say much about anything else than perhaps your aim.
- Its a little dodgy perhaps since the tanks just got nerfed a lot, but at least pre-nerf tanking and getting a KDR of 20 isn't very impressive.
- Dedicated pilots and I'm sure there's many more good examples.
So lets take all the kittens out of the equation and your left with the objective oriented "wanna win at all cost" kind of players. Do you really think a well organised team of good players stand a chance against a team of elite killers? Do you really see yourself winning when your boys keep getting dropped over and over again?
Don't think that your a great contributor to the win when you hav 0.3 KDR just because you wave a repair gun occationally. And don't think you're the only one picking people up just because you have a logi suit, I and many more carry it with us on our Scout suits even.
And don't get me wrong, I don't mean that your a scrub if you don't have a 3 KDR. As long as its at least "1", then no one is entitled to smack talk in my opinion, you've held your own. But please, pretty please, with sugar on top, don't act like KDR is some BS stat only used by tryhards to brag about their epic skills. This is a shooter, being good at shooting people is very important....
[I make this post to try and get some people to work more on their gun game. I had a 0.62 KDR in MAG before I decided to "get gud" and I got myself up to an average between 2 and 3 with some effort and training. I was still the same O-holder (team player) as I always was, just better at the killing part aswell. You can always be both.]
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KingBabar
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.09.25 14:38:00 -
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Seran Jinkar wrote:It's pointless .. really .. KDR is too general as a statistic to be relevant for evaluating a players abilities. As the OP already said:
There are exceptions
to his statement which makes the whole statement subjective and irrelevant. It's a single number that compares the OVERALL number of deaths to the OVERALL number of kills. It does not seperate between weapons, skill levels, compared latencies etc. It just generalises way too much to have an impact.
Let's have an example: My Girlfriend plays Dust with me. Usually we play together and she's riding the gunner on my LAV having an average of 6/1 and 12/1 at the end of the game. On the other hand she's not the best one at medium to close range gunfighting. Now what does her KDR say?
I bet you say: Nothing at all cause gunners don't count .. or snipers ... or pilots ... or Devs ... or Lampposts
How many people are counted into the relevant amount of examples then ?
First of I'd say that objective oriented ground pounders, wich there are a lot of.
And lets wait til we get actual clan/corp battles going. I suspect that big corps will have all the tanks, proto stuff or whatnot they could possibly want with them into these kinds of battles, lets just see if the team with the best gun game wins it or not, I think they in most cases will. |
KingBabar
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.09.25 14:48:00 -
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Mejji Sez wrote:Although some of your points are valid and your overall argument can be applied to every FPS game out there, you must realize that you represent a small percentage of those that play this game. There are others who play the game who aren't affected by the KDR aspect of the game. There are others still who may not care about KDR but care about winning. And there are others even still that grief others and neither care about KDR or winning altogether.
Find like minded folks to play with and, what it really comes down to, have fun playing a game meant for the entertainment value.
I like your input sir!
This little thing called fun is what its all about. And yes, people have different oppinions on that aswell. In my puny little head competitive online gaming is a lazy mans sport, I'd just aswell play a basketball game if they could be bothered to make a good one. And as it is with all sports worth playing, playing in itself should be fun enough. Working your kitten off and getting that last second win will however grant me much more fun than sitting on a hilltop with a sniper rifle taking pot shots at the occational target...
I hope and believe there are many more like myself which finds the hard pressed games with constant action and pressure on the objectives the most enjoyable, not the ones were we do some line-dancing in the middle off the road just to pass the time... |
KingBabar
Seraphim Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.09.26 08:07:00 -
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Nitpic all you want - the ability to kill and by extension; control the battlefield, will always be the most important asset to a team.
And I ask again, why can't you do both? Be a O-holder and ok killer at the same time. I'm almost tempted to go full Loig next build just to show that its quite possible to wield a repair gun, medkit and an Assault rifle with skill and dedication. |
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