DUST Search - [Request} Going Prone (please???)

Uber Dragonlord Valkarish wrote:

Look, I know what a lot of you are going to say. "People are gonna camp like crazy if they do that!" and "Snipers are bad enough as it is!", I understand all that but please hear me out. When you have a tank barreling towards you and only a short rail for cover, crouching doesn't cut it. When you are repairing a vehicle while waiting for your teammate/mates to respawn and a sniper across the field is trying to pop you, crouching isn't always good enough. When your whole squad is wiped out and there is a whole squad of enemies just over the ridge, crouching doesn't keep you out of sight. When enemies are pouring towards you in an all out charge, going prone allows you to take a defensive position that can make you a smaller target.

I'm not saying make it insanely exploitable like in cod, but I see no reason the soldier of the future can't get into the dirt if their cover isn't tall enough. Make it a slow animation and prevent people from shooting in the transition if you have to, but it just feels wrong to not be able to go prone.

Any thoughts?

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Uber Dragonlord Valkarish 29	Posted - 2012.09.17 12:31:00 - [1] - Quote Look, I know what a lot of you are going to say. "People are gonna camp like crazy if they do that!" and "Snipers are bad enough as it is!", I understand all that but please hear me out. When you have a tank barreling towards you and only a short rail for cover, crouching doesn't cut it. When you are repairing a vehicle while waiting for your teammate/mates to respawn and a sniper across the field is trying to pop you, crouching isn't always good enough. When your whole squad is wiped out and there is a whole squad of enemies just over the ridge, crouching doesn't keep you out of sight. When enemies are pouring towards you in an all out charge, going prone allows you to take a defensive position that can make you a smaller target. I'm not saying make it insanely exploitable like in cod, but I see no reason the soldier of the future can't get into the dirt if their cover isn't tall enough. Make it a slow animation and prevent people from shooting in the transition if you have to, but it just feels wrong to not be able to go prone. Any thoughts?
Young Untitled Sciyon 1	Posted - 2012.09.17 14:19:00 - [2] - Quote I Agree.
Thomas Canalejo 69	Posted - 2012.09.17 15:17:00 - [3] - Quote lol that is such a bad ideal if thay do that you will have snipers gliching in rocks Ive alerty found some on top of rocks you can do that in stand up and fight this is not COD
madd mudd 41	Posted - 2012.09.17 15:32:00 - [4] - Quote no thank you
ATR Kuan Ti 5	Posted - 2012.09.17 15:40:00 - [5] - Quote Uber Dragonlord Valkarish wrote: Look, I know what a lot of you are going to say. "People are gonna camp like crazy if they do that!" and "Snipers are bad enough as it is!", I understand all that but please hear me out. When you have a tank barreling towards you and only a short rail for cover, crouching doesn't cut it. When you are repairing a vehicle while waiting for your teammate/mates to respawn and a sniper across the field is trying to pop you, crouching isn't always good enough. When your whole squad is wiped out and there is a whole squad of enemies just over the ridge, crouching doesn't keep you out of sight. When enemies are pouring towards you in an all out charge, going prone allows you to take a defensive position that can make you a smaller target. I'm not saying make it insanely exploitable like in cod, but I see no reason the soldier of the future can't get into the dirt if their cover isn't tall enough. Make it a slow animation and prevent people from shooting in the transition if you have to, but it just feels wrong to not be able to go prone. Any thoughts? what is up with all of these ppl wanting to laydown and camp? If your laying down the tank is just going to run you over.
Uber Dragonlord Valkarish 29	Posted - 2012.09.17 15:52:00 - [6] - Quote So in your view the soldier of the future shouldn't be able to take full advantage of the cover around them just because other people feel it's cheating? That's what grenades are for. You can walk up behind someone camping and pop them EASILY on a map this size. When you crouch behind cover but your head is still visible above the top of it, it's not really viable cover is it? If this game is going to be as tactically advanced as they want it to be, it would be stupid to leave out basic tactics like hitting the dirt. You can dis it all you want, but that is a tried and true tactic both in the military and in gaming. If you don't like people being able to use tactics so you can get your huge kill streak on, maybe this isn't the game for you. This game is ALL about tactics.
Thomas Canalejo 69	Posted - 2012.09.17 15:57:00 - [7] - Quote relly I think thay should put a camper bug in game if you sit in 1 place for too long you cant do damg and life slowly starts to drain
Uber Dragonlord Valkarish 29	Posted - 2012.09.17 16:04:00 - [8] - Quote I could agree to that if they allowed prone position. Like perhaps prone position blocks of some life support system and you can only stay down a certain amount of time before you die. then you have to wait a set period of time before you go prone again. I could totally support that, as long as it's an option. It just makes no sense to not allow it entirely from a tactical standpoint.
Thomas Canalejo 69	Posted - 2012.09.17 16:07:00 - [9] - Quote Uber Dragonlord Valkarish wrote: I could agree to that if they allowed prone position. Like perhaps prone position blocks of some life support system and you can only stay down a certain amount of time before you die. then you have to wait a set period of time before you go prone again. I could totally support that, as long as it's an option. It just makes no sense to not allow it entirely from a tactical standpoint. i agree with that
DOOMSDAYAKAHEINZ Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 8	Posted - 2012.09.17 16:14:00 - [10] - Quote Thomas Canalejo wrote: relly I think thay should put a camper bug in game if you sit in 1 place for too long you cant do damg and life slowly starts to drain Ha ha , this was one of my buddies ideas too.

Moonracer2000 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 315	Posted - 2012.09.17 16:22:00 - [11] - Quote I think prone is a perfectly reasonable request and I'm not sure where the hate is coming from. It is a viable, tactical position that exists in real life and many modern FPS games. How about this for balance? Being prone puts you in an extreme disadvantage for medium and close range combat because unlike everyone else your movement is slowed to a crawl (can't strafe). Also getting into or out of prone takes time, so if you are prone on a mountain and someone sneaks up and starts shooting you from behind you are pretty screwed.
Thomas Canalejo 69	Posted - 2012.09.17 16:34:00 - [12] - Quote Moonracer2000 wrote: I think prone is a perfectly reasonable request and I'm not sure where the hate is coming from. It is a viable, tactical position that exists in real life and many modern FPS games. How about this for balance? Being prone puts you in an extreme disadvantage for medium and close range combat because unlike everyone else your movement is slowed to a crawl (can't strafe). Also getting into or out of prone takes time, so if you are prone on a mountain and someone sneaks up and starts shooting you from behind you are pretty screwed. this is not a modern combat game tho and dose not want to be like other FPS plus if you wanna go real life most of you guns wont work in prone from this game and just the scouts would be able to look throw sights I mean look at your dropsuits
Uber Dragonlord Valkarish 29	Posted - 2012.09.17 16:52:00 - [13] - Quote I agree that this isn't a modern combat game, but the basics have been the basics for a long time, and as far back as war goes people have known to duck when you are shot at whether it's a bullet, an arrow, a spear, or a freakin' rock aimed at you. If you want to be specific with details in order to maintain consistency with the universe this exists in, then all you'd need to do is adjust the typical prone stance to adapt to the dropsuit. Hold your gun like you do in the rifle stance while prone (I know that doesn't sound like it makes a lot of sense but think about it, your gun is perpendicular to your body and you are somewhat propped on your elbows) then it would work in a dropsuit, you'd just be turning your head to the side to aim instead of looking up.
Mads Katter Nova Corps Marines 15	Posted - 2012.09.17 17:15:00 - [14] - Quote While I do support going prone in a tactical shooter (it is the most stable position to fire after all), I see it as being too easlily exploitable by non-campers. I believe the term is "Dophin Diving" where to distract your opponent you hop up in the air drop to prone and then hop up again all while fireing and taking that same opponent out. It is a cheap tactic that works well in other shooters. There should be speed restrictions going between the different possitions and NO going prone or kneeling in the middle of a jump or fall. The anti-camping comments are just foolish and naive. Camping is what a SNIPER is supposed to do. That and provide intel. To put restictions on "Camping" is to castrate the sniper and to spit in the face of all things tactical. The fact remains that the longer a player stays in the same area the more likely they are to be taken out, this goes for "campers" as well. Camping (as it is defined by gamers) is a valid tactic that the Military and Law Enforcement use to great success. Supress your enemy in any way possible. If they come from one particular direction, post people up to cover that area and AMBUSH them. If you have several guys who are robbing a bank w/ hostages, Post shooters covering all exits of the building. Camping is a way of life in gaming and a valid tactic in real life. Counter it, and counter it early. If you get stuck in one, think your way out and communicate with your team mates..Do something crazy to throw the camper off guard if you have to, just don't keep on doing the things the camper expects
Uber Dragonlord Valkarish 29	Posted - 2012.09.17 17:40:00 - [15] - Quote Absolutely, not to mention there are tanks in this game, unlike most FPS shooters. Campers can be easily scared out of a camping spot if a tank rolls over them or someone calls in an orbital strike, or hell just fly a drop ship over their heads and have everybody bail out in midair and use the impact dampener as they land. You can come in right behind them and the only means by which to stop you is an AV unit. And personally I think any unit that has to carry a large weapon like that shouldn't be able to go prone and shoot anyway, so they can easily be sniped. I still like the idea of limiting the length of time you can go prone however. You know full well that people will start lying inside of hard to reach places sniping everyone who walks by just to pad their K/D ratio, and nobody likes that. Then again..... it is still a valid tactic and CAN be countered.... I don't know, I'm sort of torn on that one now.
Guydon Antllies HoloSec Armaments and Security 51	Posted - 2012.09.17 17:48:00 - [16] - Quote i agree.... please let me lay down
Encharrion L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 104	Posted - 2012.09.17 20:22:00 - [17] - Quote I agree, it is extremely silly that for some reason my merc just can't lay down. Going prone to become a smaller target would only really be an advantage in a firefight at sniper range, since at any closer range, your lack of movement will make you far easier to hit than going prone will make it harder. It would be nice to go prone for stealth also.
Xavier Hastings ZionTCD Legacy Rising 243	Posted - 2012.09.17 21:34:00 - [18] - Quote Uber Dragonlord Valkarish wrote: I could agree to that if they allowed prone position. Like perhaps prone position blocks of some life support system and you can only stay down a certain amount of time before you die. then you have to wait a set period of time before you go prone again. I could totally support that, as long as it's an option. It just makes no sense to not allow it entirely from a tactical standpoint. Then I really don't know what the designer of Dropsuits was thinking if he let that happen.
SYST3M 0V3RL0AD Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 209	Posted - 2012.09.17 22:10:00 - [19] - Quote I'm totally torn on this subject. I completely agree that a solider "should" be able to lay down but at the same time it is the single most abused and exploitable feature in a FPS. A game almost has to be specifically designed with the prone position in mind from the very beginning to safeguard against terrain glitches, dolphin diving and the like. Just adding it in later and having it work fine is probably not as easy as it sounds. It creates many unforeseen issues that could lead to a ton of work to correct. I'm sure there's a reason it wasn't implemented. Don't get me wrong, I would totally like to have the prone ability as long as it doesn't open up abuse. I like the ideas some of you had as far as making a time delay between changing positions or stamina being effected. These are the kinds of constructive ideas that are realistic to solve the problem, although they do have their own downsides that'd need to be worked out. I disagree with all of this nonsense of health decreasing if you lay in one spot too long or what have you. That's just silly.No offense to those that mentioned it. By that standard i would suggest if you spend too much time prone then your clone may fall asleep. When he awakes his vision is blurry and reflexes slowed. Until a LogiBro brings him a cup of coffee. There does need to be a penalty method but it shouldn't penalize snipers for staying prone....which is what snipers are supposed to do. It's got to be realistic and only intended to thwart exploits, not legitimate real world battle tactics. I say keep the ideas coming. I'd love to see it as an option if done properly.Though, I personally believe If it can't be done properly it shouldn't be done at all.
FORTUNE96 Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2012.09.17 23:03:00 - [20] - Quote +1 I am a sniper and i approve this message

STB Vermaak Doe 558	Posted - 2012.09.18 00:29:00 - [21] - Quote No, just no
J'Jor Da'Wg KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 648	Posted - 2012.09.18 02:19:00 - [22] - Quote I don't see why not either. As long as you can't dive to prone then jump back up and keep running, why not? Heck, if anything, there should be more of a tendency to dive down, we are recklessly immortal soldiers aren't we? Heavies carrying the forge and HMG by necessity would not be able to though. I feel like people just jump on so many bandwagons so often. "COD HAZ PRON3 AND THIS ISNT COD SO NO!" "SOM GUY SAID DOLPHIN DIVIIING IS BAD FOR TEH GAEMPLAYS SO I AGREE CAUSE I WANT AN OPINION TOO" Nah... Every military in the world teaches you to use prone under enemy fire... The glitches, like anything will have to be worked out. I can agree with a slower change from prone to getting up, but it should be fairly fast going downwards. During the dive, and subsequent gettin back up, accuracy should be lowered while transitioning. Enough with the silly bandwagon opinions though folks. Prone is reasonable to ask, its not gonna KILL THE GAMEPLAY OMGZ
STB Vermaak Doe 558	Posted - 2012.09.18 03:14:00 - [23] - Quote J'Jor Da'Wg wrote: I don't see why not either. As long as you can't dive to prone then jump back up and keep running, why not? Heck, if anything, there should be more of a tendency to dive down, we are recklessly immortal soldiers aren't we? Heavies carrying the forge and HMG by necessity would not be able to though. I feel like people just jump on so many bandwagons so often. "COD HAZ PRON3 AND THIS ISNT COD SO NO!" "SOM GUY SAID DOLPHIN DIVIIING IS BAD FOR TEH GAEMPLAYS SO I AGREE CAUSE I WANT AN OPINION TOO" Nah... Every military in the world teaches you to use prone under enemy fire... The glitches, like anything will have to be worked out. I can agree with a slower change from prone to getting up, but it should be fairly fast going downwards. During the dive, and subsequent gettin back up, accuracy should be lowered while transitioning. Enough with the silly bandwagon opinions though folks. Prone is reasonable to ask, its not gonna KILL THE GAMEPLAY OMGZ It makes the most sense for heavies to go prone since they use heavier weapons
madd mudd 41	Posted - 2012.09.18 03:43:00 - [24] - Quote STB Vermaak Doe wrote: No, just no Happy to agree with an STB for once :p ** I only pick on 'em cuz they hot (no homo)
STB Vermaak Doe 558	Posted - 2012.09.18 03:48:00 - [25] - Quote madd mudd wrote: STB Vermaak Doe wrote: No, just no Happy to agree with an STB for once :p ** I only pick on 'em cuz they hot (no homo) STB-Vermaak Doe BTA Next build
crazy space ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2012.09.18 04:23:00 - [26] - Quote if only for scouts
crazy space ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2012.09.18 04:24:00 - [27] - Quote STB Vermaak Doe wrote: J'Jor Da'Wg wrote: I don't see why not either. As long as you can't dive to prone then jump back up and keep running, why not? Heck, if anything, there should be more of a tendency to dive down, we are recklessly immortal soldiers aren't we? Heavies carrying the forge and HMG by necessity would not be able to though. I feel like people just jump on so many bandwagons so often. "COD HAZ PRON3 AND THIS ISNT COD SO NO!" "SOM GUY SAID DOLPHIN DIVIIING IS BAD FOR TEH GAEMPLAYS SO I AGREE CAUSE I WANT AN OPINION TOO" Nah... Every military in the world teaches you to use prone under enemy fire... The glitches, like anything will have to be worked out. I can agree with a slower change from prone to getting up, but it should be fairly fast going downwards. During the dive, and subsequent gettin back up, accuracy should be lowered while transitioning. Enough with the silly bandwagon opinions though folks. Prone is reasonable to ask, its not gonna KILL THE GAMEPLAY OMGZ It makes the most sense for heavies to go prone since they use heavier weapons When heavies press the triangle button they could pop out a stand to stabilize their weapon, allow you to aim better maybe even give a sight, but only while in the "heavy stance" Scout stance could be just prone, logi would stay the same, and each suit would have a different kind of triangle function.
STB Vermaak Doe 558	Posted - 2012.09.18 04:35:00 - [28] - Quote Either way I'm saying no, unless it requires siege modules
DarkShadowFox Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 238	Posted - 2012.09.18 05:03:00 - [29] - Quote Oh just bloody let us lay down, everyone shut up about it OH WELL its gonna be implement and i want to see it implemented, who cares about all, OMG THEY CAMPING LOLLLL Who cares DX omg just add it the bloody game, everyone shut up its fair, its part of every shooter I dont care if your all teenagers or whatever, grow up do your job you were hired to do and have it implemented :V
STB Vermaak Doe 558	Posted - 2012.09.18 05:04:00 - [30] - Quote DarkShadowFox wrote: Oh just bloody let us lay down, everyone shut up about it OH WELL its gonna be implement and i want to see it implemented, who cares about all, OMG THEY CAMPING LOLLLL Who cares DX omg just add it the bloody game, everyone shut up its fair, its part of every shooter I dont care if your all teenagers or whatever, grow up do your job you were hired to do and have it implemented :V U mad it's not gonna be implemented?



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