Look, I know what a lot of you are going to say. "People are gonna camp like crazy if they do that!" and "Snipers are bad enough as it is!", I understand all that but please hear me out. When you have a tank barreling towards you and only a short rail for cover, crouching doesn't cut it. When you are repairing a vehicle while waiting for your teammate/mates to respawn and a sniper across the field is trying to pop you, crouching isn't always good enough. When your whole squad is wiped out and there is a whole squad of enemies just over the ridge, crouching doesn't keep you out of sight. When enemies are pouring towards you in an all out charge, going prone allows you to take a defensive position that can make you a smaller target.

I'm not saying make it insanely exploitable like in cod, but I see no reason the soldier of the future can't get into the dirt if their cover isn't tall enough. Make it a slow animation and prevent people from shooting in the transition if you have to, but it just feels wrong to not be able to go prone.

Any thoughts?

I could agree to that if they allowed prone position. Like perhaps prone position blocks of some life support system and you can only stay down a certain amount of time before you die. then you have to wait a set period of time before you go prone again. I could totally support that, as long as it's an option. It just makes no sense to not allow it entirely from a tactical standpoint.

relly I think thay should put a camper bug in game if you sit in 1 place for too long you cant do damg and life slowly starts to drain

I think prone is a perfectly reasonable request and I'm not sure where the hate is coming from. It is a viable, tactical position that exists in real life and many modern FPS games.

How about this for balance? Being prone puts you in an extreme disadvantage for medium and close range combat because unlike everyone else your movement is slowed to a crawl (can't strafe). Also getting into or out of prone takes time, so if you are prone on a mountain and someone sneaks up and starts shooting you from behind you are pretty screwed.

I could agree to that if they allowed prone position. Like perhaps prone position blocks of some life support system and you can only stay down a certain amount of time before you die. then you have to wait a set period of time before you go prone again. I could totally support that, as long as it's an option. It just makes no sense to not allow it entirely from a tactical standpoint.

I don't see why not either. As long as you can't dive to prone then jump back up and keep running, why not? Heck, if anything, there should be more of a tendency to dive down, we are recklessly immortal soldiers aren't we?

Heavies carrying the forge and HMG by necessity would not be able to though.

I feel like people just jump on so many bandwagons so often.

"COD HAZ PRON3 AND THIS ISNT COD SO NO!"
"SOM GUY SAID DOLPHIN DIVIIING IS BAD FOR TEH GAEMPLAYS SO I AGREE CAUSE I WANT AN OPINION TOO"

Nah...

Every military in the world teaches you to use prone under enemy fire...

The glitches, like anything will have to be worked out. I can agree with a slower change from prone to getting up, but it should be fairly fast going downwards. During the dive, and subsequent gettin back up, accuracy should be lowered while transitioning.
Enough with the silly bandwagon opinions though folks. Prone is reasonable to ask, its not gonna KILL THE GAMEPLAY OMGZ

No, just no

Happy to agree with an STB for once :p

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It makes the most sense for heavies to go prone since they use heavier weapons

Oh just bloody let us lay down, everyone shut up about it OH WELL its gonna be implement and i want to see it implemented, who cares about all, OMG THEY CAMPING LOLLLL

Who cares DX omg just add it the bloody game, everyone shut up its fair, its part of every shooter I dont care if your all teenagers or whatever, grow up do your job you were hired to do and have it implemented :V

It makes the most sense for heavies to go prone since they use heavier weapons

This is a good idea. People hate on snipers and camping but there are simple ways to counter this. A prone sniper will be decimated by dropships, grenades, missiles. It's time consuming to go prone. Movement and field of vision is severely restricted.

Now, obviously no one wants snipers rock glitching 50-0 games, or SMG wielding protoscouts dolphin diving through battles....but these are problems to be fixed and addressed by CCP and the community when they arise, and not simply be vetoed or denounced as game-breaking ideas because they can be inconvenient to some players some of the time. The fact is, prone is an essential part of modern FPS and denying players this tactic in a game which so clearly champions realism is ridiculous.

this is not a modern FPS im not getting why ppl keep saying prone is part of every modern FPS if you want a Modern FPS go play COD

imagine heavies with hmg prone

This is exactly the attitude no one wants here. I've played COD, I'd play it now if I didn't think Dust514 had the potential to be the best next-gen FPS available. That said, demonizing something as basic as going prone because you don't want to play anything resembling CoD seems a little crazy. Why not get rid of ADS then? The sniper class? Probably should do away with anything that gives anyone a competitive edge.

I see no problem with the prone position.

-It helps snipers being, you know, snipers and not some big targets on top of a rock or in the middle of a flat field. The whole point of sniping is to shoot from vantage points and be difficult to see.

-it help in any situation that requires stealthy movements. It so frustrating to spend several minutes sneaking behind enemy lines to capture a null cannon only to be killed by the random guy just happening to pass nearby that you could have easily avoided just by laying down behind some objects.

-it helps firimg the big guns that are usually difficult to use because of the recoil. Call it camping, but it's a basic feature that every fps has. And remember that a camper that can't be easilty killed by a well placed sniper shot or grenade has yet to exist.

-it also helps when things go unexpected, like when a tanks shows up and it's too dangerous to run away. Going prone could be a life saver if the driver is concentrating on something else and can't see you

I find it way too much unrealistic that a bunch of super future soldiers with dropsuits capable of falling from the sky without a scratch and with the ability to boost their bodies in every conceavable way, can't figure out how to lay down on the ground.

I'm imagining when one of those uber soldiers will trip over a rock and find himself with the face in the dirt, saying something like: HOLY S**T WHAT IS THIS SORCERY! Captain i'm laying down on the ground,WHAT NOW?! OH GOD HELP ME!

you dont even know what your talking about your in a drop suit how will you get up . you would not go prone in E.O.D. gear hell even in call of duty you cant go prone in E.O.D. gear then look at helmets in this game how are you going to scope in prone thats why im telling you to go back to call of duty and yes we can tell from you post your from call of duty

LOL. Your reply is truly embarrasing to forum goers. You first bliethely ignored everything he said, made a ridiculous assumption that servo motor assisted powered exoskeletons are jot up to the task of getting off the ground (how does bein revived work then?), performed a massive stereotype... So on and on.

Your logic is has so many cracks in it I wonder if it isn't sand. "LOL wanting prone = COD noob!"
So.. Anything that is in CoD can't be allowed in DUST? Well, lets just get rid of ADS and snipers, and hipfiring. In fact, lets turn DUST into a text based adventure. No online multiplayer either.

Yes. The existance of CoD means that we can never include basic FPS mechanics like making your profile as small as possible. Thank you for this revelation, Aristotle.

-_____- *facepalm*

LOL. Your reply is truly embarrasing to forum goers. You first bliethely ignored everything he said, made a ridiculous assumption that servo motor assisted powered exoskeletons are jot up to the task of getting off the ground (how does bein revived work then?), performed a massive stereotype... So on and on.

Your logic is has so many cracks in it I wonder if it isn't sand. "LOL wanting prone = COD noob!"
So.. Anything that is in CoD can't be allowed in DUST? Well, lets just get rid of ADS and snipers, and hipfiring. In fact, lets turn DUST into a text based adventure. No online multiplayer either.

Yes. The existance of CoD means that we can never include basic FPS mechanics like making your profile as small as possible. Thank you for this revelation, Aristotle.

-_____- *facepalm*

I'm a sniper and I don't think prone would be much help. Who isn't shooting from behind a ridge, anyway? If you're relying on being a small target to avoid getting shot, you've screwed the pooch already.

Prone slows the game down a lot. Yes, sure, great, prone is useful for things other than laying down somewhere and shooting people as they show up. But it's also really great for laying down and shooting people. There isn't a right or wrong answer here, it depends on the kind of game CCP wants.

If everyone remembers why CoD has become such a huge game, it's because of Call of Duty II. The WWII single player game that honestly made me feel like I was literally in battle the first time I played it. I could hear the bullets whizz by my head, I'd drop and crawl under brush and barbed wire with explosions all around me, dirt and sand landing all around.

THAT is the feeling that I think Dust should be after. It doesn't matter if you're in 1943 or thousands of years in the future. Also, I should add that if Dust were to implement it, I'd think getting back up should take a bit longer than dropping down, based on how nimble your dropsuit is and what they're currently carrying (large sniper rifle vs small pistol).

if there is animation for going down and getting up so it doesn't allow shots while droping then i could see it being fine, cause a hmg diving at you shouldn't be able to eat you up as it gets to a tiny hitbox.

But I'm still indifferent about it.

the HMG cant go prone its carried by a strap over your shoulder and the barrels spin

if there is animation for going down and getting up so it doesn't allow shots while droping then i could see it being fine, cause a hmg diving at you shouldn't be able to eat you up as it gets to a tiny hitbox.

But I'm still indifferent about it.

I think this would be the best way to do it, of course due to size limitations HMG's and forge guns would not fit under a heavies body, so geavies are kind of stuck there in that regard.

That's not an explanation

lol that is such a bad ideal if thay do that you will have snipers gliching in rocks Ive alerty found some on top of rocks you can do that in stand up and fight this is not COD

how is it not it would need a bypod and to youse a bypod with that big of a gun you will have to be in the kneeling but cant youse bypod becuse barrels spin unless you put it a bace of gun but then it will be offbalence

wow this is my point https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=37407&find=unread

I like the idea of having prone in the game. Maybe even as a dropsuit feature. My suggestion is that while prone all hits you take a equivalent to head shots. Make it really risk vs. reward.

I hope thay do put it in cant wait to dropshot quick scope