Go read some sniping tips for the ladies. If you have followed infinity even his own thread of 'help' turned into his crusade for the infantry. He is playing games now. I already told him he won and that is why I am agreeing to have the sway increased.

When we reached end game last build you could make a glass cannon that would ohk a heavy. He would die from gun powder residue though. If you made a scout tank you would not even ohk another proto scout. I asked infinity if he has faced a proto suit yet. He didn't even know that the suits were black except for scout proto thus meaning he hasn't been end game. Opinion null and void until that date. That's where the majority will be playing. Well the hardcore atleast.

I would like ccp to follow stats and decide nerfs,not us. Any game that the community has begged for nerf after nerf has turned into crap.

Totally agree. You can't please everyone. I think CCP do both. Take small missiles and the breach AR as examples.

I've been sniping with nothing more than the standard starter recon kit. I've got TONS of sway, usually takes between 2-5 shots to take somebody out, and a lot of the times when I spawn into battle I end up in the middle of the enemy's current spawn camp and get taken out effortlessly.

However, I still enjoy it somewhat, although the lag makes a hard situation, significantly harder. if I actually hit all the people that should have been hit due to lag, I would have much better stats and points.

I do get annoyed when my Assault suit with shield extenders and such gets OHK'd by a charge sniper rifle from out of nowhere that I couldn't even see... But it all comes with the game...

Pretend text is here... lol.

We really need to have a cross-corp sniper "convention" next build... I can hear the screaming already. It will be a thing of Beauty.

People will always hate us, Hide and Seek is a frustrating game at times. Terribly rude of us to not stand there and duke it out , nose-to-nose.

I see just enough of bad/greedy snipers to get my use from them, and I see a handful of very cover-and-objective conscious snipers... Usually not long enough to say "hello" without a major position change, or greater exposure.

Keep shooting folks.

#71Posted: 2012.09.10 18:36 | Report
Tony Calif wrote:
I love your rage. LoL. Feed me sniper tears lol. I could do another thread before my "tony's quick guide to skirmish." I could do one all about sniping, and how it's ineffective, KBM advantage, why people get killed with AR's when they're a sniper, that kinda thing. But I'd really rather concentrate on getting those who are actually going to the objectives, hacking them too. And getting there alive (mostly).


You get there alive from Intel and covery fire from a sniper position.

What are you on dude? Sniper tears? Do you take drugs, son? C'mon man, what the hell do you know about tactical combat? Did you serve as a private in the military for 4 years? Think that makes you a master of tactical skirmish combat?

Maybe you don't get there alive very often because you're incorrectly utilizing the combat roles available to you. Perhaps you should rethink what you think you know about combat.

And lastly, what you did is considered hate speech. You wished a detrimental outcome (permanent death) on a specific class of persons (snipers) for nothing more than being what they are. Are you also a white supremacist from the deep south who attacks blacks and gays randomly for nothing more than being who they are? What do you stand for? You act like a child who only recently received internet privileges. Retaliating the way I did was unacceptable, I'll admit that.

Do you even have a job?

First, I'm going to say that the fact that you felt the need to write this is evidence enough of snipers being out-of-line and overpowered. That we should require special techniques to deal with, when we're sitting there with a minimal investment of ISK and SP, is dumb. Dropships and tanks, they require special tactics because they've paid a lot for a method of fighting, and if they are successfully countered they take a big hit. Even if a sniper is countered somehow, who cares? A single fit is pocket change. You've accomplished nothing but a brief reprieve.

wow And i thought i was a ok sniper in this game, now i realize am horrible XD. I usualy play the recon/ sniper in FPS games so i know my way around snipers, tho in this game it feels different some how and i still cant figure out what is it.... If i could be in a squad with some off you guys that would help me out a lot.

We really need to have a cross-corp sniper "convention" next build... I can hear the screaming already. It will be a thing of Beauty.

People will always hate us, Hide and Seek is a frustrating game at times. Terribly rude of us to not stand there and duke it out , nose-to-nose.

I see just enough of bad/greedy snipers to get my use from them, and I see a handful of very cover-and-objective conscious snipers... Usually not long enough to say "hello" without a major position change, or greater exposure.

Keep shooting folks.

We really need to have a cross-corp sniper "convention" next build... I can hear the screaming already. It will be a thing of Beauty.

Also, RankRancid, regarding the southerner comment I realize now that I had made the follow post in a separate thread altogether. It was a huge mistake on my part, turned into a real cluster:




Link: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=35596&p=4

Post 11 on page 4. Again, I completely misread you after dinner and a nap.

It is all good,it was late last night and in hindsight only people that have been following infinity would have known what I was talking about.

I didn't see Tony get upset and I'm nearly 100% sure he laughed it off. It has something to do with that wicked sense of humor. The whole southener and northener thing was just me pointing out my experience from my clanmates. I really do love them.

There is nothing better in this world than listening to a southerner crap a northener out because he tuned me, a south african. That is just borderline xenophobic. I would fight with french,english and americans in cod. Until I met leggyuk and andy-skills. They made me readjust my opinion on people from different cultures.

I would also recommend reading some of tonys other threads and posts. The majority you notice will contain juicy tips for any noob and skilled person. He is constructive regularly.

Sorry I brought an old argument back here into your thread. I could see the whole op argument coming a mile away.

So hopefully no hard feelings.

Fivetimes, I've seen some of your other posts and clearly you're a skilled sniper but there are two aspects in all your posts about sniping (that I've seen/read) which you overlook.

#1. Define "minimal investment". Minimal for who? In what context? As compared to what? Now granted I'm still new to the beta so I certainly don't have the SP bank that some players do but I have yet to even finish out my basic sniper skills much less support skills that would allow me to use better gear etc and I've already put over 4 million SP into being a sniper and I haven't even maxed out all the skills with sniper in their name yet. Then there are the general weapon skills which apply to sniping and again all of that is excluding the support/upgrade skills which unlock gear or give a little bit more durability.

So how many million skillpoints invested does it take before, in your estimation, the SP investment is no longer "minimal"?

#2. And frankly this may be more important so I'll be marking it out clearly you are NOT the standard the very fact that you're near the top of the leader board when it comes to sniping means that you shouldn't, and cannot be the correct metric for game wide class balance. Just because *someone* can go 30-0 in a given role or with a given fit/skill spec does not mean that fit/skill spec is imbalanced. Those conclusions have to be drawn game wide and based on a cross section of data not the experiences of one player. Certainly not the experiences of one player who's at the top of the heap when it comes to performance/player skill. Just because Michael Jordan could play circles around most other players in the NBA does not make the number 23 overpowered or imbalanced, and while that is clearly not an exact parallel the reasoning still applies.


In conclusion, thank you for your high quality of sniper know how it's been a help in finding some direction as a sniper new to Dust (and a player who's not a "FPS guy"), but you are not the average and shouldn't be the balance point.

My 0.00 ISK
Cross

I like to snipe more than using the others (hence my name) but I am absolutely terrible at it and need some advice and I would like to thank you for providing the advice I've been looking for. And if there is anything you can tell me more about sniping I am really happy to hear well read what you have to say.

wow And i thought i was a ok sniper in this game, now i realize am horrible XD. I usualy play the recon/ sniper in FPS games so i know my way around snipers, tho in this game it feels different some how and i still cant figure out what is it.... If i could be in a squad with some off you guys that would help me out a lot.

First off, I am not a Sniper. I tried the role, found it ill suited my playstyle. That being said, I'm not exactly a Sniper Hunter either, but I have my own methods of dealing with them.

First... ID their location. IMPORTANT! If you know where the sniper is, you can hide from him behind cover.

Second... get behind cover... anyone sitting in the open when there is cover available deserves to be sniped.

Third... when in doubt, suppress... Scout suits used as Snipers are flimsy... they generally stack Damage mods to increase the chances of that OHK, (some exceptions occur), if you start firing and land even one bullet that Scout WILL duck... whether it be to preserve their KDR, or their suit, or simply retain their hard to reach position, they don't want to die.

One your team, in games such as Battlefield 3, and some others, Snipers are supposed to 'spot' targets for you. In BF3 particularly, this has to be done manually, and alot of snipers do not do it. Possibly a cause of some sniper hate. However, a Sniper, watching from his perch, 'Spotting' Incoming hostiles in an area, and calling out enemy movements is a honest to god boon to any team.

Myself, I love having a sniper on 'Overwatch' and it has allowed me to retain situational awareness in some hell-like situations under fire.

Stop bashing the snipers, learn to work with, or deal with, them.

Oh, and I saw mention that Snipers require 'special' skills to take care of... What character, suit, or other doesn't? Do you stand in front of a Heavy with a HMG and have a shoot-out in an Assault Suit? Do you use cover to protect against incoming fire? All these are 'special' skills required for FPS, or real-life combat (yes I said real-life).

That's my rant. Snipers, you have my support!

The Black Jackal

Actually I've got ideas about snipers working in pairs that I think could work, kind of like real life sniper/spotter duos except both will be shooting. The few times I've had to defend a spot with other snipers we ended up turning things into a meat grinder for the other side. It worked especially well because even if the ideal of "one shot one kill" isn't possible for most targets then a second shooter would at least finish off your target and get you assist points.

Now that I think about it, I know that logis and pilots have their own channels but do snipers? Someone get on that if not, we could use a sniper union hall.

You know wut I hate snipers they **** me off and dont (in my eyes) help with anything...

However in the next build...

If a sniper makes any crusader dropsuit class head explode I will dry hump you 4 ever, be your bt1ch, clean you merc quarters and will even fluff ...your pillows.

This build tho your just air stealers.

Why is there an actual need for a defense of sniping? I actually don't mind sniping on the battlefield.

1) And you snipers aren't going to like this, I don't see it really swinging the game either way during a battle. Sure during an ambush map a sniper might get some good kills but it is really nothing compared to vehicle users and more aggressive AP dropsuit builds.

During skirmish maps I never have seen a sniper on my team assisting with taking/holding objectives in a meaningful way. Perhaps I have just been unlucky and completely missed the opportunity to see someone who is on the ball at work, or perhaps I just haven't actually seen a good sniper in game. Given these two options I think the former is more likely and that most people who snipe just don't really pay attention to skirmish maps' objectives and instead just try to farm kills during these matches.

Please prove me wrong in my next game though. Shoot the guy who is about to pop me while I'm taking an objective. Or shoot him/her while he/she is trying to rehack what I just took. I'd love to thank the snipers I just have no reason to as of yet.

2) Snipers are a great way for me to get points. I love how you all are so focused on your target that you completely miss seeing me sneak up on you. Perhaps some people need to spend more time looking at their radar, though it could be that all that sp I spend on dropsuit command is finally paying dividends.

That being said I do believe that a sniper could be a relevant player in any game and as you have already said Van simply having the whole team on coms would go a long way towards making that a possibility.

They could make 100 builds and the job of a sniper will never change. Cover hack point. Win.
(Sha, I hate the sound of these new modules, but tbh they'll be fine. Just slow everything down more... Mass drivers/SMG will be a big pile of win. Split em up, knock em down.)