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Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1155	Posted - 2012.09.10 10:31:00 - [1] - Quote If any of you guys saw the "new item to come" topic on this forum, you may have notice some pretty good stuff to come. BUT, you may also have noticed this specific item and its description : Basic Auto-Detonator - Bomb that goes off upon death that's strong enough to kill nearby infantry So, who else feels like this is really the kind of stuff this game doesnt need ? Who, on the other hand, sees this as good addition ? Personally, i don't see the point of it. Except adding some frustrations. I can already picture lagged Scout using Nova knifes with damage mod and this explosive device, rushing people everywhere...... Killing their target everytime, either with the knife or with bomb device when killed first. Seriously, just dont go that way CCP.
Vickers S Grunt Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 67	Posted - 2012.09.10 10:34:00 - [2] - Quote I realy dont want to be killed in a expencive suit buy someone when all thay had to do was die
Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.09.10 10:35:00 - [3] - Quote Its a noob weapon and should not have a place in this game. If this comes in I will abuse the hell out of it with throw away alts just like everyone else. Edit also if this comes in say good bye to all close combat weapon systems cos the will just = death by noob.
Rains Akkadian BetaMax. 28	Posted - 2012.09.10 10:35:00 - [4] - Quote Imagine jumping out of a drop ship into an objective busy with enemies and not bothering to activate inertial dampeners. I wonder what the range of the boom would be ;)
dust badger BetaMax. 283	Posted - 2012.09.10 10:36:00 - [5] - Quote yeah im not in favor of this, my biggest concern is what happens when friendly fire comes in and there is a group of you and they kill the guy with this fitted, would you take out the whole squad ? the only way i could see this working (mind you i wouldn't like it implemented at all) is to have only enough damage to finish some one off, say you have a good fight and its close you went down and the guy that shot you has a sliver of health left then this would be enough to kill him but by no means if some one gets a clean kill on you and then it takes them out, thats just stupid. on the other hand, i see this as a way to stop LAVs running over people as they will get a nasty surprise :)
Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 414	Posted - 2012.09.10 10:52:00 - [6] - Quote I could be very close range, so if you shoot him he dies out of blast range. Say, blast radius same as mass driver would make it pretty easy to kill while out of blast, but make vest useful vs circling scouts and knife attacks. If it is a module that takes slot to basicly always have grenade cooking it won't be to bad, buff to snipers if you can snipe one in tight grouped squad.
Seamie Schmoove Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 64	Posted - 2012.09.10 11:13:00 - [7] - Quote Seriously!! Cod's Martyrdom or however you spell that word. I should know how seein as it popped up for every second farkin guy you shot who would then magically burst into flames killing you.... What next? Killstreaks? Second Chance? If its gonna be implemented I would hope it won't kill you at full shields and armour.
J'Jor Da'Wg KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 648	Posted - 2012.09.10 11:14:00 - [8] - Quote My answer to this is make the CPU/PG requirements so high that you can only carry a scrambler pistol with it, and you must self detonate. In other words yiu have a clacker and run at someone and explode yourself... But no CoD martyrdom!
Seamie Schmoove Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 64	Posted - 2012.09.10 11:14:00 - [9] - Quote Or if some idiot has it and you kill him and it goes off near his squad it damages them too!
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.09.10 11:20:00 - [10] - Quote Imma use it next build tbh Infact everyone will prob use it next build if they can Only way to balance it is to make the CPU/PG really high so only proto can fit it

Aeon Amadi Maverick Conflict Solutions 1003	Posted - 2012.09.10 11:25:00 - [11] - Quote Step 1.) Hold grenade in hand. Step 2.) Run up on tank. Step 3.) Pull pin - count to ten. Step 4.) Explode. Step 5.) Watch Auto-Detonator finish off tank upon self-immolated death. No more over-powered tanks because of suicide bombing scout suits.
Gauder Berwyck Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 217	Posted - 2012.09.10 11:26:00 - [12] - Quote I wanna add my "baaad idea!" mojo to this thread!
Billi Gene Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 130	Posted - 2012.09.10 11:39:00 - [13] - Quote it will see over use to begin with, of that no doubt, everyone will want to see how it works. I'd suggest making more then one fitting though, have a fitting without the AD. The optimal place to use AD would be small Ambush maps, where people tend to crowd alot. Its use in this context would be to discourage enemies from running in and spraying death, and also as a traditional suicide run into camped enemies. On larger maps AR's are still king. The exception being with speed tanking, shotgun toting scouts. I sincerely hope the blast radius is enough to discourage speed tanking scouts in the least , or at least give them a healthy respect for "personal space". Sincerely, A Heavy Suit. :P edit: don't quote me on this but i do believe that Smart Bombs in Eve predate CoD's version of Auto-detonation bomb vests w/e
Kyy Seiska Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 188	Posted - 2012.09.10 11:39:00 - [14] - Quote You people all running as shotgun/SMG fairies or just often using Assault rifle in bad places? Besides, when and if the game gets team damage I wouldn't want to be wearing one of those...
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.09.10 11:43:00 - [15] - Quote LoL friendly fire. This came up in feedback and I said lol. Terrible terrible idea. What's the prototype AUR variety like? Set of when crushed? LoL CCP.
Jebus McKing DUST University Ivy League 24	Posted - 2012.09.10 11:51:00 - [16] - Quote No, just no... no, no, NO... NO-HOHOHOHOOOW I always hated this kind of stuff in other games and even in those games everybody hated this and the competitive scene always banned these. So why include them here?
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.09.10 11:54:00 - [17] - Quote Because CCP aren't looking to learn from the mistakes of others it seems.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.09.10 11:54:00 - [18] - Quote in EVE there is griefin i see this as DUST version lol gonna be interesting, especially funny when ppl go in for teabags and get blown up by a smartbomb good times ahead, tears will flow im sure lol good thing im never in cqc range with how **** the hit detection is atm
Dusty Mokong ZionTCD Legacy Rising 61	Posted - 2012.09.10 11:55:00 - [19] - Quote This has GoonSwarm written all over it ....
Daalzebul Del'Armgo D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire 48	Posted - 2012.09.10 12:02:00 - [20] - Quote You get paid to win anyway you can. Starts training 3 year old how to run at enemies in game since he can't shoot worth a kitty cat. Sit back and laugh every time he actually gets a kill.

Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.10 12:13:00 - [21] - Quote Sha Kharn Clone wrote: Its a noob weapon and should not have a place in this game. If this comes in I will abuse the hell out of it with throw away alts just like everyone else. Edit also if this comes in say good bye to all close combat weapon systems cos the will just = death by noob. You'd e a noob to be caught in its blast.
dust badger BetaMax. 283	Posted - 2012.09.10 12:15:00 - [22] - Quote i wonder if its instant as soon as you die or takes a while like 3 secs, aslo going back to friendly fire, what happens if you blled out as a logi bro trys to heal you lol
Ignatius Crumwald Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 475	Posted - 2012.09.10 12:49:00 - [23] - Quote I guess if they start flashing and beeping really loud for a second or two before the blast it might be sort of funny. I think it should be something that has a high enough CPU/PG that it would require a certain level suit before you could even fit one (Maybe even the suit itself would have to be a special exploding suit.) just so no one is running around with a derka derka freebee suit.
HowDidThatTaste Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2242	Posted - 2012.09.10 12:57:00 - [24] - Quote Definetly no. This is something that will be used against heavy suits more. We cant run away and are slow targets, will ruin the heavy suit completely, any one remember remote explosives? Those made the game unplayable!
LivewireProblem Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2012.09.10 13:27:00 - [25] - Quote CCP Please dont add this :( Can anybody imagine this skill paired up with the cloak ability that is being discussed
Patches The Hyena 204	Posted - 2012.09.10 13:32:00 - [26] - Quote Yeah this is a terrible idea.
Onieros Dreamwalker 7	Posted - 2012.09.10 13:50:00 - [27] - Quote This is a bad idea.
Ghural The Southern Legion 63	Posted - 2012.09.10 13:55:00 - [28] - Quote I saw them on the market on the EVE test server. They are called 'Smart Bombs', no stats yet though.
Corban Lahnder ZionTCD Legacy Rising 158	Posted - 2012.09.10 14:25:00 - [29] - Quote If old RE = annoying This = more annoying Lets keep dust Martyr free. It wont kill tanks trust me.
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1155	Posted - 2012.09.10 14:41:00 - [30] - Quote Glad to see 99% of us also thinks it's a crappy thing to add to the game. I see people suggesting that it would be your fault to be caught in the blast but would you really have a chance against a CQC fighter with knife and this bomb ? New nova knives with the new skills + damage mods + dead switch bomb => Tenchu 514

Fivetimes Infinity Immobile Infantry 1086	Posted - 2012.09.10 14:52:00 - [31] - Quote I don't like the idea of suicide devices at all. Getting killed shouldn't be rewarded. Running around in a militia scout suit with nothing but militia junk and an auto-detonator will be a really stupid thing to have to deal with.
Ad ski IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 209	Posted - 2012.09.10 15:13:00 - [32] - Quote The last thing I thought this game would become is CoD, however adding stuff like this is certainly off putting. I honestly don't know why someone would think it's a good idea to add suicide bombers to the game.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.09.10 15:26:00 - [33] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Glad to see 99% of us also thinks it's a crappy thing to add to the game. I see people suggesting that it would be your fault to be caught in the blast but would you really have a chance against a CQC fighter with knife and this bomb ? New nova knives with the new skills + damage mods + dead switch bomb => Tenchu 514 yes u would have a chance infact the only reason ppl are able to run up to u in the first place is because of the "awesome" hit detection DUST currently has. Nova Knives are also a side arm now so if u allow someone to run up to u with a knife drawn and either stab u or u linger around after he somehow got in ur face and u kill him to be killed by smart bombs then yea....ur also kinda at fault there tbh. i doubt smart bombs will be instant detonate and i doubt CCP would be dumb enough to put them on militia suits EVEN tho militia items will be costing u ISK from the next build. Im not a fan of it and i honestly dont see it being used in anything other than hisec for some trollin, when **** is on the line in FW and nullsec ppl wont bring troll fits to battle so smart bombs i dont see being a big issue there Hisec is for casual fun, if ppl wanna troll and have the funding to keep purchasing smart bombs roll with it in the attempt for some lulz then thats their choice
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1060	Posted - 2012.09.10 15:33:00 - [34] - Quote oh great scout spngers with shotguns and dead mans hand. Is it just my impression or will this lead us to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pQieshmVIxw i can assure you that this will be abused the same way as the remote explosives. The only difference now is then you put a module on a militia scout suit which will probs cost you around 1000 ISK and then you start running into enemy groups with only 1 goal: blow them up in their expensive gear. And will we get that thing for vehicles aswell? Go ahead and put it on your militia vehicle and crash into any kind of tank. Who needs av weapons if you have suicide LAV bombers?
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1155	Posted - 2012.09.11 07:34:00 - [35] - Quote Mavado, Hit detection isnt the sole problem. Dust is probably one of the shooters that requires the biggest amount of rounds to take a guy to the ground. Good hit detection or not, people have a better chance to come CQC on you due to this fact than in other shooters. Also, let's not forget all maps wont be such "open space". And a tight urban type map with those things ? Hell no.
amarrian victorian Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 52	Posted - 2012.09.11 07:50:00 - [36] - Quote why not? unlike fagoduty this will waste PG/CPU. making the person much less combat effective. plus this game is more long range, and panic knifing BS doesn't happen. I approve of it as long as the blast radius isn't to large.
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1155	Posted - 2012.09.11 07:54:00 - [37] - Quote Long range mostly ? Depends on the map actually. And wait till the next nova knife changes, we may be surprised. Also, we have no idea how gready this item could be in terms of CPU\PG.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.09.11 08:15:00 - [38] - Quote This is an AWESOME idea. Downright amazing. Why is everyone so against this? All CCP has to do to make this viable is A) turn on friendly fire, B) make the damage/radius significant though not unreasonable, C) make the price/resource requirement rather high, and D) make them manually detonated. Now, what does this accomplish? Friendly fire would mean that you wouldn't have the option of blowing yourself to pieces in the middle of a ten man CQC fight in order to decimate your enemies and leave your friends untouched, it would only be valuable for taking out someone that lone-wolfed you. The high damage/radius would also play into this bit. If the price were significant, it would mean you couldn't have this on every fit and expect to make money at the end of the round, assuming you die more than once or twice. It would also possibly make specializing in suicide a viable role. Manual detonation is obviously necessary, if people exploded automatically the moment they went down, what hope would a shotgun wielding scout have against such a weapon? It is also easy to realize, that using this bomb would shred your corpse, meaning you could no longer be revived, so blowing yourself to pieces could not only be staggering to your own wallet, but it could put a dent in the wallets of your allies as well. As such, if a triage unit is in the area, it makes sense to wait it out, hope your team clears the area, and possibly save the 50k - 100k ISK you spent on the suit.
Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.09.11 09:10:00 - [39] - Quote I think a goon is involved in all this somehow
Aldz D Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 49	Posted - 2012.09.11 09:10:00 - [40] - Quote NOOOO..this is an ANTI-TEABAG mechanic probably lololol

Guydon Antllies HoloSec Armaments and Security 51	Posted - 2012.09.11 09:13:00 - [41] - Quote Sha Kharn Clone wrote: Its a noob weapon and should not have a place in this game. If this comes in I will abuse the hell out of it with throw away alts just like everyone else. Edit also if this comes in say good bye to all close combat weapon systems cos the will just = death by noob. i agree with this message
Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.09.11 09:15:00 - [42] - Quote CCP WHY U HATE TEABAG????
Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.09.11 09:17:00 - [43] - Quote We don't know the stats of this yet. I doubt it'll kill a "healthy" non-militia suit.
Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 414	Posted - 2012.09.11 09:19:00 - [44] - Quote What slot will it be? In EvE, smart bombs use the same slots as guns and missiles. So, it may take a light weapon slot to equip a auto-detonator. The auto in name suggests it will be on death, so you would have till they they hit bleed out to get back. it may require having it equipped to detonate, so it's a unarmed guy with bomb. We will find out with next build, much feedback will be given then. Does the smartbomb item say on death? In EvE smart bombs were a radius that damages enemies and friendlies but not yourself. Like the typhoon system from Deus Ex: human revolution, or the emp pulse on the ships in The Matrix movies. A weak explosion centered on player that causes player no-damage with a recharge till next use. Just wondering since smart bomb and auto-detionator could be two diffrent item. EvE style smart bomb would be a great counter to scouts strafing faster then heavy heavy can turn, detonate to make them move away so turn speed can keep up to shoot them.
Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.09.11 09:24:00 - [45] - Quote If its like an eve SB then http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM8nX2LfiAk Just gona haz to keep an eye on it I guess
Timothy Reaper ZionTCD Legacy Rising 321	Posted - 2012.09.11 09:39:00 - [46] - Quote I'm in favor of this. In fact, I suggested something similar a couple of months ago. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=169192#post169192 And I'm not the only one. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=256303#post256303 To keep it from being overused, simply make it a high ISK/SP/CPU/PG item. Edit: Of course in order to work out the bugs they may have to be easily accessible for a while. *Remembers the days HAV/Dropship BPOs and RE spams, and shudders.
Buzzwords Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 416	Posted - 2012.09.11 10:12:00 - [47] - Quote this is potentially one of those things people quit videogames over.
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1155	Posted - 2012.09.11 10:52:00 - [48] - Quote Exactly. And to those who say : "make it high SP\ISK\CPU\PG demanding". Then what's the point of it all ? And to those comparing it to smartbombs in EVE i say LOL. Smartbombs in EVE have a tactical aspect in their use. There it's just a simple "ho god i died but BOOOOOM fragged you ! me happy" What's the overall gain in gameplay with this ? Isnt there many other stuff to add that would effect the game a lot more positively ? Like re-balancing shield tanking and armor tanking through new armor modules ?
J'Jor Da'Wg KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 648	Posted - 2012.09.11 11:25:00 - [49] - Quote If they are added, they need to be such a high PG/CPU cost that it makes having other modules and weapons almost impossible. Also, it needs to be auto detonated. Still not sure about it though.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.09.11 14:25:00 - [50] - Quote I am inclined to be against it, but I suppose it could be handled well... like a sound alarm and flashing light that gives you a second or 2 to escape the blast, and a really low radius.

Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.09.11 14:35:00 - [51] - Quote Hmm i have noticed that most suicide bombers have flashing lights ands sirens so yep that gets my vote
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1903	Posted - 2012.09.11 14:47:00 - [52] - Quote So long as they have a slight delay and a visual queue that they're about to go off, it should be fine. That way only noobs will die to this, or those who get tricked by clever players. Suicide bombing is important
Fivetimes Infinity Immobile Infantry 1086	Posted - 2012.09.11 14:53:00 - [53] - Quote Dewie Cheecham wrote: We don't know the stats of this yet. I doubt it'll kill a "healthy" non-militia suit. Then nobody will use it. That's the problem with this, it's such an all-or-nothing thing. If it won't wipe out the people you're near, people will see it as a waste (rightfully) and never equip it. If it does wipe out people near the blast, then it will be abused like crazy, with all-militia scout suits running around with this thing and a shotgun. It'll be incredibly annoying, or it'll be a waste of time to even code it. Either way, it isn't gameplay that sounds fun to me and I wish they'd just not even go this direction.
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1903	Posted - 2012.09.11 14:54:00 - [54] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: New nova knives with the new skills + damage mods + dead switch bomb => Tenchu 514 Or = dead by anything with range?
Ire's thug GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 272	Posted - 2012.09.11 15:02:00 - [55] - Quote you guys are crazy! I cant wait to be freaked out while unloading a clip into a scout while he sprints toward me at top speed! Knowing that if he gets close enough im dead. This new dynamic is going to ne awesome!


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