Obviously you were not here for the replication build... Lets just say swarm launchers with high splash damage are EVIL if you don't believe me ask any of the players here before e3 build

Disagree, AV needs to be buffed.

Tanks and Dropships just have way too much health it take forever to kill one especially if you use the miltia swarm missile launcher (default rocket launcher) and on that note that weapon needs a buff its damage is only 250 hp on direct hit and splash damage is only 10 hp, it's a missile launcher it should have just as much splash as a grenade.

Thanks for reading.

It's not difficult to kill militia dropships or tanks with militia swarm launchers. You are most likely trying to kill tier one vehicles fitted with proto level defenses. So yes, it SHOULD take you forever to kill high level vehicles with a free launcher. Invest SP and ISK in a higher level model. Don't go elephant hunting with your 22 rimfire and complain that it's not effective.

It's not difficult to kill militia dropships or tanks with militia swarm launchers. You are most likely trying to kill tier one vehicles fitted with proto level defenses. So yes, it SHOULD take you forever to kill high level vehicles with a free launcher. Invest SP and ISK in a higher level model. Don't go elephant hunting with your 22 rimfire and complain that it's not effective.

It's not difficult to kill militia dropships or tanks with militia swarm launchers. You are most likely trying to kill tier one vehicles fitted with proto level defenses. So yes, it SHOULD take you forever to kill high level vehicles with a free launcher. Invest SP and ISK in a higher level model. Don't go elephant hunting with your 22 rimfire and complain that it's not effective.

Obviously you were not here for the replication build... Lets just say swarm launchers with high splash damage are EVIL if you don't believe me ask any of the players here before e3 build

If i have a high level tank a militia swarm shouldnot be able to rip through me a proto yes a inbetwen shure if the glued to my ass or theres enough of them im sorry but in this game newbies are purposely put at a disadvantage against higher level players why cause they havent put the time and isk to get where they are unlike cod where u can pick up a m16 and mostlikely beat everyone even if theve been playing for 2 years longer.

Ccp games mimic life very closely i brand new hitman will not be getting many job offers hed be living in a carboard bx begging for a job not a penthouse where the job comes to him on a fancy mac thats able to send it to his suped up lamboginni's nav computer giving him a on the road breifing.

A army for hire fresh in the business will have to prove themselves and would have to do so with aks few men and little to no vehicles they dont get the top gear just cause the cmpition has it

No if i need a third example let me know ill use eve instead of dust then maby anouther dust

Disagree, AV needs to be buffed.

Disagree, AV needs to be buffed.

Only answer to a militia-fit, modestly skilled Sica (The lowest-teir tank that ANYONE can drive unskilled, costs less than 150,00 isk for a hull) is another tank or staggeringly massed AV infantry. Anything bigger than that (Gunnlogi, etc) demands tanks answer it. This is neither balanced nor fun, as it renders everyone else's specialization options ineffectual. I can't fly dropships, they won't take the punishment from even the lamest of tanks. Missle tanks don't even need to kill me, the gorram missiles will flip me about 30% of the time, which is permanent immobilisation when it doesn't result in a fatal crash.

Tanks need to be scaled back significantly.

Dropships (and everything else) are difficult to assess in the blinding glare of the OP nature of tanks. I actually feel they're a bit underpowered. They can only bring one small turret to bear on a given target at a time (like a LAV), and the homing stingers CANNOT be evaded atm; the only way to avoid impact is to obfuscate LOS. As stated before, missiles are often sufficient to swat the aircraft from the sky without actually having to destroy it on impact. This is likely a balance issue with missiles, however, not dropships. I'm seriously contemplating posting a suggestion that missiles with extreme homing capabilities be fairly weak, so that massed fire is required to represent a threat, with more powerful missiles only able to curve toward a locked target, instead of hammering out two 90-degree banks in rapid succession to hit anything, anytime, anywhere.

I also think there needs to be an aerial craft that can fit a large turret.

The difference is in RL, even if they haven't been around a while. A hitman could if they had enough personal funds could easily buy a high end weapon or two. Obviously they would still need to prove themselves to get high paying jobs. That hitman could of formerly been a marine scout sniper, etc. And the gun for hire example doesn't work as most soldiers of fortune are ex military, that chose not to, or couldn't reintegrate with regular society.

In EVE, a veteran or old school players biggest advantage vs a fairly new player is access to more ISK, and, a larger amount of available equipment to use from having more skill points. For all intents and purposes, if you take the two against each other, 1 having 90m sp, and the other having enough to have a given ship class maxed out, with t2 weapons. Even though the vet has more sp, they're going to be fairly evenly matched due to the way the skills in eve work. This is of course if you hand the two of them identically fit ships.

But, Dust isn't a EVE, it's a FPS that uses eves skill tree to effect the way weapons and gear work, to a point.

Some people are right though. More or less Militia gear is equal to Civilian gear in EVE. And you see how many people go around even using civilian fit ships don't ya, for those who've played. Doesn't matter what your flyin, not gonna kill much with civi weapons and mods.

The other side of this is of course, that it seems like for the effect these higher end HAV's and Dropships have on the battlefield. They may be too low in price. Hate to say it, but right now they seem to be an I win button. And due to them being used the way they are, it's making the disparity between new players and vet players worse. Vet players are sticking to HAV's getting huge amounts of kills and new players can barely contribute to their team to earn any SP and ISK to improve their skills. Which means these vets are earning that much more sp/isk than anyone else. I've even tried hopping into a turret on someones tank, when I could catch up to it. Most of the time they were turning and spinning so much I couldn't keep a bead on anyone to get a kill. Another way Dust isn't like EVE is the fact in eve, you set a skill to train, and get sp whether your on or not, or actively using said skill. In Dust you have to fight to get SP, them skills don't level on their own.

Now mind you, I'm someone who's been around eve since late 03. The account with Morikai Acler didn't get made till April 04, after Earth and Beyond wouldn't allow monthly sub anymore, before it closed. I used my own 90m Sp as the example. My PVP trial by fire in EVE was from being a member of the PA through the great northern war, and then all the ones after that lead to the end of the Phoenix alliance.

again its team work. 32 in a match 16 per team means prob 1 tank 3 heavys 1 drop ship 2 lavs a sniper or two and two logis, rest infantry.

if you had that or around it and had good team work would there be solo invul tanks? or would the team with best team work have the i win button? prob is everyone wants to snipe or as ive said before run around and kill pll like cod. this is not cod, its based mainly off eve and in eve team work and strategy is essential or youll simply lose. stop complaining and put 2-3 mill sp into AV and become a team player, or put 2-3 mill sp into logistics, have you tried this? or just complaining cuz ur strategy is non existent?

Some people are right though. More or less Militia gear is equal to Civilian gear in EVE. And you see how many people go around even using civilian fit ships don't ya, for those who've played. Doesn't matter what your flyin, not gonna kill much with civi weapons and mods.

That's hilarious, now tell me the story where civilian available P-Mags and H&K High Reliability mags are less reliable tham government issue STANAGs.

Your militia gear isn't the equal of a civilian rifle, because often civies can afford to buy a better manufactured rifle than the government. It's the equivalent of ****** ass shoddy Yugo AK-47s.

The other side of this is of course, that it seems like for the effect these higher end HAV's and Dropships have on the battlefield. They may be too low in price. Hate to say it, but right now they seem to be an I win button. And due to them being used the way they are, it's making the disparity between new players and vet players worse. Vet players are sticking to HAV's getting huge amounts of kills and new players can barely contribute to their team to earn any SP and ISK to improve their skills. Which means these vets are earning that much more sp/isk than anyone else.

I hated when almost everyone was using swarm launchers, but they could reduce the damage against infantry making it a anti-vehicle only weapon.

Tanks and Dropships just have way too much health it take forever to kill one especially if you use the miltia swarm missile launcher (default rocket launcher) and on that note that weapon needs a buff its damage is only 250 hp on direct hit and splash damage is only 10 hp, it's a missile launcher it should have just as much splash as a grenade.

Thanks for reading.

Translation: "NO, DON'T NERF THE SOLO WTFPWNMOBILE THAT I SPENT 5 MILLION SP ON! It's SUPPOSED to take 8 people working together (while the rest of my team supposedly ignores this task group) to kill it!!"

No points for style, but the translation is not all that far off from reality. Tanks are ridiculously, hilariously EXPENSIVE, both in SP and ISK. The SP and ISK for a hull is just the beginning, the modules and weapons needed takes a lot more SP and ISK to buy.
Tier 1 tanks (Madrugar nad Gunnologi) and militia tanks (Soma and Sica) are very easy to kill. They may only cost about 4-500k ISK, but a band of freeloader Militia swarm users can kill them with relative ease.
The Marauders (Sagaris and Surya) are death on wheels, mobile fortresses. And they are expensive. To take one down requires another similar tank, and/or a well coordinated effort by a squad or two of non-militia AV fitted people. And the Marauders do die I've seen this quite a lot the past two weekends. People see a Marauder, and start ganging up on them.

Besides, they nerfed tanks a lot already. Take their rail gun. It is now much harder to use against moving targets, the gunner have to predict where the target is nearly 3 seconds after pressing the trigger, and probably an additional second or more after the gun actually fires. Unlike swarms and AV nades, the rails, blasters and rockets on a tank, have NO tracking/homing ability.

They won't stop whining until thy cab solo a sagaris with militia swarms, because that's what whiners do.

Translation: "NO, DON'T NERF THE SOLO WTFPWNMOBILE THAT I SPENT 5 MILLION SP ON! It's SUPPOSED to take 8 people working together (while the rest of my team supposedly ignores this task group) to kill it!!"

See, in the cute litte fantasy scenario you've created, balance is inexplicably inherant. You even lay out an adorable composition for each full and capable team! Indeed, if that were the case, we wouldn't need to balance anything, would we? Good for you. Now lets get back on point, since screaming "but my tank is balanced if the other team brings a tank, too!!" kind of ignores the whole purpose of this thread.

There need to be alternatives for dealing with tanks besides a bigger, better tank - and no, "Everyone spawn heavy and shoot at the tank on three!" is not an acceptable alternative.

What you "bring friends" types always seem to bizarrely overlook is that only ONE GUY is 'consumed' operating that tank, (or up to three, for uberbbqhax) while the enterety of the rest of his team is free to interdict the sort of cooperation you're insisting the other team bring to bear to balance out that tank.

Also, get over yourself, kid. When you post, try and keep in mind that you know nothing about me, who I play with, or the strategy we bring to a fight.