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Gerrak Saissore Bragian Order Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2012.09.08 07:38:00 - [1] - Quote What do they expect from a free to play MMOFPS? Seriously? Many FPS games these days have multimillion dollar budgets and an entire studio dedicated to them. CCP is running an incredible MMORPG, developing for it, AND working on Dust. Just gotta say, CCP is insanely awesome for the amount of things they're working on.
Lixet The Craniac Naloran Project 50	Posted - 2012.09.08 07:46:00 - [2] - Quote Thing is, so far from what I've gathered. The couple main reason people are hating it at the moment is... graphics, game style/issues, lack of innovation, the fact that it is on PS3 and not a pc. Seriously its just a beta, and people are hating for what its trying to become.
Daedra Lord9 Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 136	Posted - 2012.09.08 08:15:00 - [3] - Quote Personally, I just wish it was on the 360 instead of PS3. That's not to say that I dislike it by any means, since I love it, I just don't like the PS3. I realize that it wouldn't be as easy on 360, or maybe not even possible due to Microsoft's policies, but it would've been preferable, IMO.
Alhanna Ridgeway 123	Posted - 2012.09.08 08:24:00 - [4] - Quote Graphics? It's got pretty damn good graphics. People are to graphic hungry these days. OOHHH makes it look better. I played an Atari, so yeah the graphics are fine imo. So what if it isn't on PC. People need to realize everything doesn't have to be on PC. They are trying to tie 1 game into another across consoles. It hasn't been done before. How bout we let them do it their way yes? Gamestyle? It's a FPS, ** there are only so many ways to do a FPS. The whole point is to point and shoot at someone. If you want to be technical the ONLY original Multiplayer FPS, was Goldeneye 64, that's what brought multiplayer FPS into mainstream, and it was split screen. Cause technically every FPS is you shooting someone, if you can figure out a way to make a FPS where you aren't shooting someone and still call it an FPS let me know. Otherwise the gamestyle is fine. Lack of Innovation? See Gamestyle for my response. It's an FPS. Sorry if it isn't skilless ramboing across the map spraying bullets while not aiming, and arbitrarily gaining money or levels to unlock attachments, weapons, and gun skins like most "BIG" FPS titles. Game Issues - It's a ***** beta people. BETA. Does everyone understand what that word means? Cause it seems like most people don't.
Xiree Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 55	Posted - 2012.09.08 08:48:00 - [5] - Quote Daedra Lord9 wrote: Personally, I just wish it was on the 360 instead of PS3. That's not to say that I dislike it by any means, since I love it, I just don't like the PS3. I realize that it wouldn't be as easy on 360, or maybe not even possible due to Microsoft's policies, but it would've been preferable, IMO. You would get the red-ring within a week, putting this title on a Xbox. Most people who hate this game are just Xbox-fanboys / siblings of the Xbox-hood cult. Who are crybabies because they... Because they.... Man, I honestly don't know why anyone would hate this game actually. Free to play... Such an expansive collaboration of technical aspects in not only game design but networking also. You can get in a vehicle, you can build a lil section of base... You can be a team-player or just go lone-wolfing. This game for everyone, if you don't like it go play something you like, such as farmiville or the Sims social? Maybe Dust514 should integrate repetitive minigames inside their game world that allows people to do meaning less tasks like accounting or cleaning their weapons or building weapons... Like a mini-game that you'd find in farmville.
ComradeLewis 4	Posted - 2012.09.08 09:40:00 - [6] - Quote Why I dislike it so far is not for any of the mentioned reasons. Horrible spawn system Framerate drops/spikes Glowing arrows over everyone's head Tanks in spawns "It's just a beta" doesn't really explain bad design.
Beast Beastlington Bragian Order Amarr Empire 237	Posted - 2012.09.08 09:41:00 - [7] - Quote THE single biggest issue for everyone that I play FPS's with is the gunplay. It's sub par when compared with CoD, Battlefield and even tier 2 games like MOH and Homefront. You can get upset with me all you like, I don't personally enjoy any of the above games very much. It doesn't change the fact that Dust in it's current state is slow, clunky and the gunplay is poor. The lack of a true ADS view and poor sound design don't help much either. In other areas it excels. The customisation, ideology etc. The truth is, most people play FPS's for the thrill of the kill and so far, Dust doesn't provide the same satisfaction from gunning someone down as the top dogs.
MrShooter01 Expert Intervention Caldari State 268	Posted - 2012.09.08 09:41:00 - [8] - Quote Daedra Lord9 wrote: I realize that it wouldn't be as easy on 360, or maybe not even possible due to Microsoft's policies, but it would've been preferable, IMO. It would have been nice if it could have been on both platforms, but long story short Microsoft refused to play ball, regardless of whether or not it would have been xbox exclusive the xbox live policies are not friendly towards the sort of thing CCP wanted to do. To give you an idea, Valve releases free DLC for all of their games. Except the xbox versions, because microsoft said "hell no" and refused to budge. CCP would be more or less forced to charge money for players to access new content in an expansion, which is NOT something they want to do. Meanwhile CCP approached Sony with the same idea and they pretty much went "lol sure here's a huge bag of marketing money, also we'll stay the hell out of your way so do whatever the **** you want" Dust on Xbox isn't ever happening it was never really even a possibility without crippling the goals of the game their loss
Lixet The Craniac Naloran Project 50	Posted - 2012.09.08 15:31:00 - [9] - Quote Alhanna Ridgeway wrote: Graphics? It's got pretty damn good graphics. People are to graphic hungry these days. OOHHH makes it look better. I played an Atari, so yeah the graphics are fine imo. So what if it isn't on PC. People need to realize everything doesn't have to be on PC. They are trying to tie 1 game into another across consoles. It hasn't been done before. How bout we let them do it their way yes? Gamestyle? It's a FPS, ** there are only so many ways to do a FPS. The whole point is to point and shoot at someone. If you want to be technical the ONLY original Multiplayer FPS, was Goldeneye 64, that's what brought multiplayer FPS into mainstream, and it was split screen. Cause technically every FPS is you shooting someone, if you can figure out a way to make a FPS where you aren't shooting someone and still call it an FPS let me know. Otherwise the gamestyle is fine. Lack of Innovation? See Gamestyle for my response. It's an FPS. Sorry if it isn't skilless ramboing across the map spraying bullets while not aiming, and arbitrarily gaining money or levels to unlock attachments, weapons, and gun skins like most "BIG" FPS titles. Game Issues - It's a ***** beta people. BETA. Does everyone understand what that word means? Cause it seems like most people don't. Agree with you completely, but those are just reasons I hear floating around. I honestly don't care about graphics at all. Seriously, some gamers are getting some quite selfish with their games lately :\| Anyways, still beta, obvious issues, butt hurt people will stay butt hurted
Shiro Mokuzan 220	Posted - 2012.09.08 15:37:00 - [10] - Quote Gerrak Saissore wrote: What do they expect from a free to play MMOFPS? Seriously? Many FPS games these days have multimillion dollar budgets and an entire studio dedicated to them. CCP is running an incredible MMORPG, developing for it, AND working on Dust. Just gotta say, CCP is insanely awesome for the amount of things they're working on. I'm sure DUST has a multimillion dollar budget and it has all of CCP Shanghai working on it. CCP has three different studios on three different continents working on three different games. It's more like "what do people expect from a beta that still has probably six months left until release?" Personally, I really like it except for the stability issues and bugs. Once it's finished and polished, it'll be fun to play, and it'll keep getting more fun as more stuff is added. This game has more potential than pretty much any game on the horizon.

TiMeSpLiT--TeR Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 326	Posted - 2012.09.08 15:44:00 - [11] - Quote One reason that I would think it's not on the PC is that console community are at large, and they want to make money out of it. They should fix the pop-up textures (similar to Skyrim) that sometimes it freezes the game.
Pezz IsDank Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 171	Posted - 2012.09.08 15:59:00 - [12] - Quote Alhanna Ridgeway wrote: Graphics? It's got pretty damn good graphics. People are to graphic hungry these days. OOHHH makes it look better. I played an Atari, so yeah the graphics are fine imo. So what if it isn't on PC. People need to realize everything doesn't have to be on PC. They are trying to tie 1 game into another across consoles. It hasn't been done before. How bout we let them do it their way yes? Gamestyle? It's a FPS, ** there are only so many ways to do a FPS. The whole point is to point and shoot at someone. If you want to be technical the ONLY original Multiplayer FPS, was Goldeneye 64, that's what brought multiplayer FPS into mainstream, and it was split screen. Cause technically every FPS is you shooting someone, if you can figure out a way to make a FPS where you aren't shooting someone and still call it an FPS let me know. Otherwise the gamestyle is fine. Lack of Innovation? See Gamestyle for my response. It's an FPS. Sorry if it isn't skilless ramboing across the map spraying bullets while not aiming, and arbitrarily gaining money or levels to unlock attachments, weapons, and gun skins like most "BIG" FPS titles. Game Issues - It's a ***** beta people. BETA. Does everyone understand what that word means? Cause it seems like most people don't. Actually it has, one fairly older game off the top of my head is "Shadowrun", it was an online FPS (of sorts) where PC/360/PS3 could play against each other and with each other. Other than that, I agree. Though I do also think that the game is lacking in aspects that others have mentioned, like gunplay. I think it gets pretty lame at times, seen many fights devolve into circle strafing and spraying from the hip. Not much thought put into that, not tactical, it's just spray from the hip and counteract your analog stick with the other. With infantry having ~700+ EHP it sucked, now it's not so bad though.
Patches The Hyena 204	Posted - 2012.09.08 16:09:00 - [13] - Quote Quote: Graphics? It's got pretty damn good graphics. People are to graphic hungry these days. OOHHH makes it look better. I played an Atari, so yeah the graphics are fine imo. So what if it isn't on PC. People need to realize everything doesn't have to be on PC. They are trying to tie 1 game into another across consoles. It hasn't been done before. How bout we let them do it their way yes? This actually isn't true. FFXI was an MMORPG with Ps2 and PC running on the same servers on release. So CCP is breaking grounds on the whole linking two separate MMOs together, but not so much on the linking two different platforms together. Back on topic. Most people expect more from a Beta because it is common practice nowadays for developers to treat an "Open Beta" as basically a demo for their game. The game is 99% finished and they just want to stress their servers while showing off their game and getting free publicity. This makes Dust look weird because it is a true beta, with lacking features, lacking optimization and a lot of balance work to be done. So it just looks bad compared to what other developers say is their "beta". If you understand what a Beta really is and understand that this truly is one then you should be able to see how great Dust will become.
Thaddeus Paullus Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 16	Posted - 2012.09.08 16:12:00 - [14] - Quote Beast Beastlington wrote: THE single biggest issue for everyone that I play FPS's with is the gunplay. It's sub par when compared with CoD, Battlefield and even tier 2 games like MOH and Homefront. You can get upset with me all you like, I don't personally enjoy any of the above games very much. It doesn't change the fact that Dust in it's current state is slow, clunky and the gunplay is poor. The lack of a true ADS view and poor sound design don't help much either. In other areas it excels. The customisation, ideology etc. The truth is, most people play FPS's for the thrill of the kill and so far, Dust doesn't provide the same satisfaction from gunning someone down as the top dogs. Beast Beastlington wrote: It doesn't change the fact that Dust in it's current state is slow, clunky and the gunplay is poor. Beast Beastlington wrote: Dust in it's current state Beast Beastlington wrote: current state beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta.
kalahari ilkeston Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 51	Posted - 2012.09.08 18:23:00 - [15] - Quote Yep its beta, so what does ccp want us to test?
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.08 18:34:00 - [16] - Quote Beast Beastlington wrote: THE single biggest issue for everyone that I play FPS's with is the gunplay. It's sub par when compared with CoD, Battlefield and even tier 2 games like MOH and Homefront. You can get upset with me all you like, I don't personally enjoy any of the above games very much. It doesn't change the fact that Dust in it's current state is slow, clunky and the gunplay is poor. The lack of a true ADS view and poor sound design don't help much either. In other areas it excels. The customisation, ideology etc. The truth is, most people play FPS's for the thrill of the kill and so far, Dust doesn't provide the same satisfaction from gunning someone down as the top dogs. Pleae elaborate, been trying to get self proclaimed fpsers explain bad gun play and so many of them just leave it at that they dont ever explain it further.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.09.08 18:38:00 - [17] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Beast Beastlington wrote: THE single biggest issue for everyone that I play FPS's with is the gunplay. It's sub par when compared with CoD, Battlefield and even tier 2 games like MOH and Homefront. You can get upset with me all you like, I don't personally enjoy any of the above games very much. It doesn't change the fact that Dust in it's current state is slow, clunky and the gunplay is poor. The lack of a true ADS view and poor sound design don't help much either. In other areas it excels. The customisation, ideology etc. The truth is, most people play FPS's for the thrill of the kill and so far, Dust doesn't provide the same satisfaction from gunning someone down as the top dogs. Pleae elaborate, been trying to get self proclaimed fpsers explain bad gun play and so many of them just leave it at that they dont ever explain it further. Yeah, I'm curious about that myself.
Raynor Ragna 266	Posted - 2012.09.08 18:54:00 - [18] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Beast Beastlington wrote: ..bad gunplay.. derp.. Pleae elaborate, been trying to get self proclaimed fpsers explain bad gun play and so many of them just leave it at that they dont ever explain it further. Yeah, I'm curious about that myself. I'd like to know that too. I don't really understand why people want to change views while shoot. I grew up on ancient FPSs and played counter-strike for about a decade. None of which even had ADS and it doesn't harm the gameplay. Counter-strike bases accuracy on why you do, not whether you're pushing an additional button. I just see Dust doing about the same thing. The gunplay could be touched up with more feedback on whats going on, like recoil and headshots... But so far everything is alright.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.08 18:59:00 - [19] - Quote I mean I explained why I think Killzones gun play was bad. You guys shoudl explain why dust 514's gun play is bad.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.09.08 19:05:00 - [20] - Quote Pezz IsDank wrote: Actually it has, one fairly older game off the top of my head is "Shadowrun", it was an online FPS (of sorts) where PC/360/PS3 could play against each other and with each other. Other than that, I agree. Though I do also think that the game is lacking in aspects that others have mentioned, like gunplay. I think it gets pretty lame at times, seen many fights devolve into circle strafing and spraying from the hip. Not much thought put into that, not tactical, it's just spray from the hip and counteract your analog stick with the other. With infantry having ~700+ EHP it sucked, now it's not so bad though. Actually what Dust is doing has never been done before. Tying consoles to PC's has, but only with one game. Shadow run wasn't different (to the best of my knowledge) on PC vs Xbox vs PS3. What CCP is doing, is connecting Dust on PS3, to EVE on PC. Two very, very different games, that are going to have strong interaction and effect on each other. This is a new concept, and if it works and draws a large crowd, gaming could change a TON in the next 5 - 10 years. I'm excited to see how this goes.

Beast Beastlington Bragian Order Amarr Empire 237	Posted - 2012.09.08 19:15:00 - [21] - Quote It's not an easy thing to define but I'll give you my take on it. Before people start throwing around "lolz fanboy troll" accusations, I'd like to point out that I'm not a massive fan of any of the current crop of shooters. MAG was the last shooter I played a lot and lately, Battlefield 3 and Counter Strike: GO see a little, but not a ton of game time. The first and most obvious thing about the guns in Dust is the sound. I'm particularly referring to the AR's. The "TIP TAP TIP TAP" sound doesn't give me a sense that I'm firing a high powered futuristic rifle (LOLZ ITZ A GAEM!!1!). Yes, it is a game but I feel that one of the important things that create a sense of connection to the on screen action is the sound. Currently, it's not good enough. The second thing for me is the ADS view. It's jarring to say the least. I hope this view isn't going to be a permanent feature and we see something more akin to the E3 2011 view. Again, for me, it creates a disconnect between the weapon and the player. The weapon doesn't have any identity any more and is replaced with an ugly camera view. I also feel there's a severe lack of feedback, both aural and tactile. Let's take COD: Black Ops as an example. When you are shooting an enemy you clearly hear "THUD" sounds and feel small vibrations in the control pad. It also has the hitmarkers on screen at the same time. Dust has the red X at the moment but it needs more IMO. There's also no enemy death noise and death animations are not up to the standard of other engines. Face-offs at the moment tend to be very amateurish. It usually boils down to: see a player, aim, you both fire and strafe dance and winning feels arbitrary. These are all things that add up to the satisfaction of a kill. The sense that you've outgunned someone and give you a greater sense of belonging to a huge battle. It don't think it's any use having grandiose ideas if the basic fundamentals are not there. Please, I implore you to play a game like Battlefield 3. Despite all of it's flaws, and they are numerous, you have a sense of connection to your weapon (levelling it up was a great idea) the war around you and most of all, take note of the sound design. For most players out there, and Dust will need alot, it is these elements that keep them coming back IMO. I hope that clarifies my stance a bit. Cheers.
Beast Beastlington Bragian Order Amarr Empire 237	Posted - 2012.09.08 19:16:00 - [22] - Quote Thaddeus Paullus wrote: Beast Beastlington wrote: THE single biggest issue for everyone that I play FPS's with is the gunplay. It's sub par when compared with CoD, Battlefield and even tier 2 games like MOH and Homefront. You can get upset with me all you like, I don't personally enjoy any of the above games very much. It doesn't change the fact that Dust in it's current state is slow, clunky and the gunplay is poor. The lack of a true ADS view and poor sound design don't help much either. In other areas it excels. The customisation, ideology etc. The truth is, most people play FPS's for the thrill of the kill and so far, Dust doesn't provide the same satisfaction from gunning someone down as the top dogs. Beast Beastlington wrote: It doesn't change the fact that Dust in it's current state is slow, clunky and the gunplay is poor. Beast Beastlington wrote: Dust in it's current state Beast Beastlington wrote: current state beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. Sorry, but that's a pathetic post. You are here to give feedback. Positive or negative, so they can create a better experience.
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Legacy Rising 33	Posted - 2012.09.08 19:19:00 - [23] - Quote Beast Beastlington wrote: THE single biggest issue for everyone that I play FPS's with is the gunplay. It's sub par when compared with CoD, Battlefield and even tier 2 games like MOH and Homefront. You can get upset with me all you like, I don't personally enjoy any of the above games very much. It doesn't change the fact that Dust in it's current state is slow, clunky and the gunplay is poor. The lack of a true ADS view and poor sound design don't help much either. In other areas it excels. The customisation, ideology etc. The truth is, most people play FPS's for the thrill of the kill and so far, Dust doesn't provide the same satisfaction from gunning someone down as the top dogs. I really don't see what is so bad about the gunplay! It seems fine for the type of game Dust seems like it wants to be. I would rather them work on the on ground movement.
Inferi Speratus Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2012.09.08 19:21:00 - [24] - Quote I don't have any issues with the graphics, gun play, spawn points, etc. due to it is only the beta portion and we're - I hope - actively assisting CCP in fine-tuning the overall presentation of the final version. I'm a fan of BF3 - to a point - but this concept is very unique and special, IMO. Plus, this allows us newb's an opportunity to become acquainted with the game as well as the EVE aspect before it's final launch. I've already made the decision to keep playing the beta to learn the game and assist CCP.
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2012.09.08 22:06:00 - [25] - Quote I'll explain my problems with the gunplay.My experiences are primarily with the assault rifles and turrets. ARs(I have operation at lvl 3,and sharpshooter at 4) Hit detection still seems to be a little bit off,especially when trying to hit a running scout.I either see the red X and see no damage,or I'm shooting the crap out of them at point blank range,and nothing is registering. At range,I find it incredibly difficult to hit anyone with precision do to the fact that the controls seem to either have a dead spot for very small precise movement,or it's just unresponsive.When I say at range,it's anything that's outside of 25-30 meters.On MAG,a game that I was very use to playing,I didn't have any trouble hitting my targets at ranges up to and sometimes over 50 meters with the ARs,and that's with me having to compensate for random bullet spread,mind you.In this beta,I just find that the controls,pretty much in general,and more teetering towards being unresponsive,and far less intuitive that any other shooter. With that lack of precision,I also find it to be pretty damn hard to get headshots at anything over 25 meters.Again,a problem that I've never really had in any other shooters. I know they want to keep this game a little more grounded,but shooting while on the move is pretty difficult as well.With all of the other stuff that they have to keep this game from being a typical arcade style shooter,like limited bunny hopping,no knife spam,can't reload while sprinting,or sprint while strafing,I think that lessening your accuracy while on the run is probably on of the biggest reasons why people feel like the game is slower.Obviously this is all by design,but at the end of the day,you have to make some concessions when making a shooter,and I think this is one of them. Turrets Plain and simple,they are a far cry from what they use to be in the previous build.I can hit someone point blank in the chest,and it won't even register a hit.Splash damage is seemingly reduced as well.So again,it looks like it could be an issue with hit detection. So there you have it.I don't know if anyone else has the same issues that I do,but that's my experience to be as detailed as possible.I'm expecting an improvement in the next build,but if it isn't,especially with the lag spikes and one second freezes that I have when I put my dot on someone's head,then My limited play time will be further reduced until it gets better.
Thaddeus Paullus Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 16	Posted - 2012.09.08 23:43:00 - [26] - Quote Beast Beastlington wrote: Thaddeus Paullus wrote: Beast Beastlington wrote: THE single biggest issue for everyone that I play FPS's with is the gunplay. It's sub par when compared with CoD, Battlefield and even tier 2 games like MOH and Homefront. You can get upset with me all you like, I don't personally enjoy any of the above games very much. It doesn't change the fact that Dust in it's current state is slow, clunky and the gunplay is poor. The lack of a true ADS view and poor sound design don't help much either. In other areas it excels. The customisation, ideology etc. The truth is, most people play FPS's for the thrill of the kill and so far, Dust doesn't provide the same satisfaction from gunning someone down as the top dogs. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. Sorry, but that's a pathetic post. You are here to give feedback. Positive or negative, so they can create a better experience. And your original post was pretty pathetic too, which sounded to me like just another whiny complaint. I've seen so many people on the forums who clearly don't get what a beta means and seem to need it pounded into their head that this is not a finished product like so many other "betas" in the industry. Your follow-up post detailing what exactly you didn't like or things that could be improved was MUCH better, and that's the kind of feedback can 'create a better experience'.
jetblak widow Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 9	Posted - 2012.09.09 00:23:00 - [27] - Quote Lixet wrote: Thing is, so far from what I've gathered. The couple main reason people are hating it at the moment is... graphics, game style/issues, lack of innovation, the fact that it is on PS3 and not a pc. Seriously its just a beta, and people are hating for what its trying to become. The fact that its not on PC is a BIG issue to some, and rather puzzling at that. Maybe it was part of sony's plan to make EvE players who have a moderate to high interest in dust 514, to go out n buy a ps3.
Artious Jornna Algintal Core Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.09.09 00:58:00 - [28] - Quote Thaddeus Paullus wrote: Beast Beastlington wrote: THE single biggest issue for everyone that I play FPS's with is the gunplay. It's sub par when compared with CoD, Battlefield and even tier 2 games like MOH and Homefront. You can get upset with me all you like, I don't personally enjoy any of the above games very much. It doesn't change the fact that Dust in it's current state is slow, clunky and the gunplay is poor. The lack of a true ADS view and poor sound design don't help much either. In other areas it excels. The customisation, ideology etc. The truth is, most people play FPS's for the thrill of the kill and so far, Dust doesn't provide the same satisfaction from gunning someone down as the top dogs. Beast Beastlington wrote: It doesn't change the fact that Dust in it's current state is slow, clunky and the gunplay is poor. Beast Beastlington wrote: Dust in it's current state Beast Beastlington wrote: current state beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. beta. Most of us are very aware that this is a beta and know the difference between a beta and a demo. What scares me about this beta is that this beta is in the public phase and there is still so much wrong with it. I wont start a rant about it here (I will save that for another place and time) but my fear is this game is closer to release than you might realize. Anyone here beta test on SOCOM Confrontation? That game was released while the beta was still going on and it was still severely broke a year after it was released.
amarrian victorian Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 52	Posted - 2012.09.09 01:16:00 - [29] - Quote pcfags whine about it not being on pc, that is the primary amount of people crying about dust. the friends i have that tried it didn't like it, but they never gave it a chance. I really think ccp messed up opening the beta so soon, it's still ungodly buggy and most people don't understand that beta's are supposed to be buggy.
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2012.09.09 01:20:00 - [30] - Quote Artious Jornna wrote: Most of us are very aware that this is a beta and know the difference between a beta and a demo. What scares me about this beta is that this beta is in the public phase and there is still so much wrong with it. I wont start a rant about it here (I will save that for another place and time) but my fear is this game is closer to release than you might realize. Anyone here beta test on SOCOM Confrontation? That game was released while the beta was still going on and it was still severely broke a year after it was released. I don't know how you consider that to be a fair comparison.Zipper has screwed over more than one game,while this is CCP's second,and first on a console? I have to admit,I'm more than a lot bothered by the instability of this build,but I am willing to wait and see what the subsequent iterations are to bring.If there's undeniable improvements to the next build,then we know that it's going in the right direction,if not,then I truly believe that would be cause for concern. They have to get the lag,hit detection,and server stability in check before anything else.If they can at least get those things squared away in the next build,then that's reason for me to stay optimistic.There are unique qualities about the gameplay that will always be subjective,but if people are constantly getting kicked or freeze out of matches,or their console crashes,well that's just unacceptable in today's online gaming environment,and MUST be the focal point of improvement before anything else.

frfqq Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 81	Posted - 2012.09.09 01:24:00 - [31] - Quote Hit detection is awful. Takes too long too kill people and classes are imbalanced. Vehicles dominate everything.
TREY Trey THE DOLLARS 33	Posted - 2012.09.09 01:26:00 - [32] - Quote What I hate most about it right now is the lack of massive multiplayer. It's only 16vs16 Even MAG and Resistance 2 could do more than that. I want more players per map. Large scale multiplayer. That's why I enjoy MMO games, and why MAG is my favorite FPS this generation.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.09.09 01:31:00 - [33] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Beast Beastlington wrote: THE single biggest issue for everyone that I play FPS's with is the gunplay. It's sub par when compared with CoD, Battlefield and even tier 2 games like MOH and Homefront. You can get upset with me all you like, I don't personally enjoy any of the above games very much. It doesn't change the fact that Dust in it's current state is slow, clunky and the gunplay is poor. The lack of a true ADS view and poor sound design don't help much either. In other areas it excels. The customisation, ideology etc. The truth is, most people play FPS's for the thrill of the kill and so far, Dust doesn't provide the same satisfaction from gunning someone down as the top dogs. Pleae elaborate, been trying to get self proclaimed fpsers explain bad gun play and so many of them just leave it at that they dont ever explain it further. well to start my main gripe has always been the garbage hit detection its ****** up that u deliberately have to MISS your target to actually HIT your target and no its not about leading shots this isnt leading shots this is just poor hit detection i engage enemies at longer ranges in BF3 and that joke of a game i dont have to lead...u lead at extreme ranges aka sniper ranges and with snipers being railguns in this game i see 0 reason to have to lead shots in this futuristic game. u have ppl making simple strafe movements at mid range and u find yourself having to lead to land hits its most notable on scout suits but it affects them all been like this since i got in the beta in april but alas its gotten better but for a so called "AAA" game u need to sort out the foundation of the house FIRST aka core mechanics before u add in the flashy stuff now next build supposedly gonna fix hit detection again so we'll see, if it isnt fixed next build then im gonna be losing faith that CCP will ever get it fixed and they should look to hire more ppl with FPS experience to fix it ASAP
EriktheHeartless Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 168	Posted - 2012.09.09 01:31:00 - [34] - Quote hey that guy doesn't like the game GET HIM !! http://youtu.be/yq1KeyEARBU
TREY Trey THE DOLLARS 33	Posted - 2012.09.09 01:34:00 - [35] - Quote jetblak widow wrote: Lixet wrote: Thing is, so far from what I've gathered. The couple main reason people are hating it at the moment is... graphics, game style/issues, lack of innovation, the fact that it is on PS3 and not a pc. Seriously its just a beta, and people are hating for what its trying to become. The fact that its not on PC is a BIG issue to some, and rather puzzling at that. Maybe it was part of sony's plan to make EvE players who have a moderate to high interest in dust 514, to go out n buy a ps3. No because the point of it is to get PS3 users the way to effect EvE. If it were on PC, than it would be competing dirrectly for time with the very game it goes with. Aka EvE. By having this on PS3, you open up for other audiences to handle it, while eve players continue to sub and play eve. Both sides effect the other. Eve and Dust. This adds another dynamic layer of gameplay to Eve, since the outcome of battles in Dust, aren't just some RNG, but are done by players. Also keep in mind, Dust is made using the SoE mod to the Unreal Engine. No other way Sony would let CCP get hold of that.
Zahle Undt Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 19	Posted - 2012.09.09 02:05:00 - [36] - Quote I just joined the beta & I have no experience with FPS MMOs. So 2 things I am curious about. Is the lack oof voice chatting & teamwork a normal thing, or is it due to the fact that right now we are simply testing quick matches? Also, I saw gamespot lists DUST 514 as having a dec 31st release date. This seem realistic, sine we are a little under 4 months out from there & we are testing gameplay & have yet to delve into corporate battle & EVE connectivity. Still though I am having fun with it through my hapless dying & I am already getting addicted to earning ISK & skill points.
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 666	Posted - 2012.09.09 02:12:00 - [37] - Quote ComradeLewis wrote: Why I dislike it so far is not for any of the mentioned reasons. Horrible spawn system Framerate drops/spikes Glowing arrows over everyone's head Tanks in spawns "It's just a beta" doesn't really explain bad design. The glowing arrows or TACNET system works fairly well. It is one of the things that seemed to work well in the build before E3 and then seemed to fall by the wayside in the E3 build, but is getting back to how it should be now. As more and more players upgrade their dropsuits, you will notice fewer red arrows staying on-screen, and you will be able to hide your signature as a sniper. Basically, if anyone on your team can see an enemy, then everyone on your team can see that enemy. And they get marked with the glowing arrow. This system should become much more robust and dynamic on bigger maps, with larger teams, and E war modules, weapons ,equipment. The framerate drops are killer, though. My second or third least favorite thing about DUST 514 so far, and has persisted build to build. Spawn system is bad for random matches. But also players are just terrible at using all their options. Tanks neither here nor there.
Jean-Henri 30	Posted - 2012.09.09 02:14:00 - [38] - Quote one of my cousins, when he was a young fella, all the way up to being an adult, would complain about EVERRRRything -_- Everything... his default response was to moan about how much he didnt like something or someone. It was just his way really. Now his a bloke, he as happy as larry, maybe he gets laid more " HATERZ GONNA HATEZ"
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1592	Posted - 2012.09.09 02:45:00 - [39] - Quote If people want to hate Dust 514, that's their choice. They have a right to complain in whatever manner they want. However, if they don't like Dust 514 and appear to be hellbent on just continuing to hate it regardless of the improvements, then I got news for them. "There are other games to play, you know." If one doesn't like a game, then that person should just move on the next game. It's not that hard. I don't understand why some players like to play the "doom-n-gloom" card against one game if they don't like it. For years I have seen many players post comments in the Eve Online forums saying how Eve will fail because of its hostile culture (ie: Jita scams, Hulkageddon, Market cornering, Corporate theft, propaganda, etc.) yet it's been running smoothly for nine years straight. I played many games that I know sucked, but I didn't ever go on an anti-insert-game-name-here campaign about how they sucked and how the game will fail. Stooping that low just doesn't have any benefit to anyone. Not even to the person who hates the game. This is because I know that I don't like (insert game name) either because of the play style or something else that may not suit me but might suit somebody else. There is also the fact that Dust 514 is still in closed beta. The problem here is that most players nowadays seem to have gotten use to the idea that a CLOSED BETA is somehow an OPEN DEMO of a completed game (which is not the case obviously). Players keep forgetting that a closed beta implies that most features are still missing and are due to be implemented later on over a set period of time. Let's also not forget that some players don't seem to bother with searching the forums for old posts that may have already addressed their concerns. Also, almost every player nowadays is connected via some form of social networking (Facebook, Twitter, Google+, etc.) yet a lot of them don't seem interested in following the development notes posted in those networks. If a player really wants to help make a game better and wants to understand what's going on, then that player would make the effort to stay informed in some way.
Scholar Him Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 29	Posted - 2012.09.09 03:01:00 - [40] - Quote Last night I had 3 games in a row that it joined me when they were almost over. All 3 of them had tanks spawn raping our side. They definitely need some sort of auto turret system to keep people out of the only spawn we could use. That aside, what makes the shooting dynamics poor is mostly the frame rate spikes. The hit detection is poor as well, but I'm guessing that's to do with the horrible server they are using. I quite often get timed out when trying to buy items, or join a new game. I'm pretty sure that's the same issue. If they fix the frame rate/ graphic lag issue, get a better test server, and increase the joystick/mouse sensitivity, you would have solid shooter dynamics. However, if you allow players to spawn camp / base **** for an entire match with a tank that you can't even target before it kills you, your not going to have many players that want to play your game, despite how the shooting functions. The game needs auto-turrets and a 3 second spawn invincibility. They also need to get rid of the random spawn system if they implement spawn invincibility.' I would not spend a cent on the game if these issues are unresolved. I would not play it for free either. Graphics and customization are also an extremely insignificant aspect of a shooter for me. Budget also should not be an excuse for a poor functioning product. If they made a Delta Force 2 clone for the PS3 I would have raved about this game. You have to get the fundamentals before you add all the extra junk. I wonder how much of a budget Delta Force 2 had...

Auztin Dorriety Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 8	Posted - 2012.09.09 03:27:00 - [41] - Quote The only thing Gameplay wise I don't like is the buy a gun.Use gun then I die then have to buy it again thing.Everything else can be smoothed out.Graphics could be tweaked just a little if possible not priority but could use it.The restock can switched into a Repair system.
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2012.09.09 14:43:00 - [42] - Quote TREY Trey wrote: What I hate most about it right now is the lack of massive multiplayer. It's only 16vs16 Even MAG and Resistance 2 could do more than that. I want more players per map. Large scale multiplayer. That's why I enjoy MMO games, and why MAG is my favorite FPS this generation. At this point,absolutely not. I know that people want a massive scaled war,but what good is it to have 32vs32 is the servers can't handle it? With the condition that the server infrastructure is in at the moment,increased players per match would be a total disaster.
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2012.09.09 14:49:00 - [43] - Quote Beast Beastlington wrote: The second thing for me is the ADS view. It's jarring to say the least. I hope this view isn't going to be a permanent feature and we see something more akin to the E3 2011 view. Again, for me, it creates a disconnect between the weapon and the player. The weapon doesn't have any identity any more and is replaced with an ugly camera view. I also feel there's a severe lack of feedback, both aural and tactile. Let's take COD: Black Ops as an example. When you are shooting an enemy you clearly hear "THUD" sounds and feel small vibrations in the control pad. It also has the hitmarkers on screen at the same time. Dust has the red X at the moment but it needs more IMO. There's also no enemy death noise and death animations are not up to the standard of other engines. For me,ADS needs work on it's feedback.Seems that it's more unresponsive than hip firing,which I find terribly inaccurate. There is a sound for killing someone,don't know how you don't hear it.It's probably THE most satisfying thing in the beta right now,is hearing that loud bombastic BUMP sound.I will agree that it would feel more complete with a little tactile feedback though.
The Robot Devil 45	Posted - 2012.09.09 14:52:00 - [44] - Quote Daedra Lord9 wrote: Personally, I just wish it was on the 360 instead of PS3. That's not to say that I dislike it by any means, since I love it, I just don't like the PS3. I realize that it wouldn't be as easy on 360, or maybe not even possible due to Microsoft's policies, but it would've been preferable, IMO. Not enough 360s outside of the US.
Tarralis ZionTCD Legacy Rising 18	Posted - 2012.09.09 15:24:00 - [45] - Quote I actually enjoy the graphics. It's nice for a change to not have to squint my way across tons of glowy bloom scenery (a la Killzone 3) to make out a single enemy. Sure, I admit the graphics could use a little improvement, but I would be fine with the current state of them if they were released like this.
Regis Mark V 91	Posted - 2012.09.09 15:41:00 - [46] - Quote I said it once and I'll say it again... Just because it's F2P does not give it an excuse to be bad! There are plenty of F2P FPS and MMOFPS out there that blow this out of the water!
Shiro Mokuzan 220	Posted - 2012.09.09 15:44:00 - [47] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Beast Beastlington wrote: THE single biggest issue for everyone that I play FPS's with is the gunplay. It's sub par when compared with CoD, Battlefield and even tier 2 games like MOH and Homefront. You can get upset with me all you like, I don't personally enjoy any of the above games very much. It doesn't change the fact that Dust in it's current state is slow, clunky and the gunplay is poor. The lack of a true ADS view and poor sound design don't help much either. In other areas it excels. The customisation, ideology etc. The truth is, most people play FPS's for the thrill of the kill and so far, Dust doesn't provide the same satisfaction from gunning someone down as the top dogs. Pleae elaborate, been trying to get self proclaimed fpsers explain bad gun play and so many of them just leave it at that they dont ever explain it further. I'm not sure either. Although some things are hard to describe. Have you ever played a game that had controls or mechanics that just felt "off", especially compared to some other game? I guess it's like that.
Shiro Mokuzan 220	Posted - 2012.09.09 15:46:00 - [48] - Quote Auztin Dorriety wrote: The only thing Gameplay wise I don't like is the buy a gun.Use gun then I die then have to buy it again thing.Everything else can be smoothed out.Graphics could be tweaked just a little if possible not priority but could use it.The restock can switched into a Repair system. This is never going to change, because it's core to the EVE/DUST experience and key to the economy working. That clone you were using is dead with a big ragged hole it its armor, and its gear is lost somewhere down on the planet. Your new body needs new gear before it's sent into battle. That new gear is not free. If it's a deal-breaker for you, you might as well uninstall and go play something else now.
Beast Beastlington Bragian Order Amarr Empire 237	Posted - 2012.09.09 16:01:00 - [49] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: Beast Beastlington wrote: The second thing for me is the ADS view. It's jarring to say the least. I hope this view isn't going to be a permanent feature and we see something more akin to the E3 2011 view. Again, for me, it creates a disconnect between the weapon and the player. The weapon doesn't have any identity any more and is replaced with an ugly camera view. I also feel there's a severe lack of feedback, both aural and tactile. Let's take COD: Black Ops as an example. When you are shooting an enemy you clearly hear "THUD" sounds and feel small vibrations in the control pad. It also has the hitmarkers on screen at the same time. Dust has the red X at the moment but it needs more IMO. There's also no enemy death noise and death animations are not up to the standard of other engines. For me,ADS needs work on it's feedback.Seems that it's more unresponsive than hip firing,which I find terribly inaccurate. There is a sound for killing someone,don't know how you don't hear it.It's probably THE most satisfying thing in the beta right now,is hearing that loud bombastic BUMP sound.I will agree that it would feel more complete with a little tactile feedback though. I'm talking more about a death scream or something to that effect. The BUMP is like a windows error message, sounds lame IMO.
G Torq ALTA B2O 88	Posted - 2012.09.09 16:12:00 - [50] - Quote Pezz IsDank wrote: I think it gets pretty lame at times, seen many fights devolve into circle strafing and spraying from the hip. Not much thought put into that, not tactical, it's just spray from the hip and counteract your analog stick with the other. I like those players - quickly found a Tactical Assault Rifle, and tend to kill those players easily (I hit them a lot more than their spraying hits me ) Anyways, it shows that this is a closed beta - there is still a lot of polish to be done, which I'm sure CCP is trying to do, partly based on the feedback here and on measurements on their servers and test-machines. What I worry about is that when the game goes live and people cannot just hit "Instant Battle" and run around shooting willy-nilly, a lot of people are going to be put off; If there is any persistence that requires maintaining, the Lets Run And Shoot Everything (aka the ones who does nothing to meet the goal of a given fight, or coordinate, or ...) will drop off quickly. Beast Beastlington wrote: Th3rdSun wrote: Beast Beastlington wrote: I also feel there's a severe lack of feedback, both aural and tactile. There is a sound for killing someone,don't know how you don't hear it.It's probably THE most satisfying thing in the beta right now,is hearing that loud bombastic BUMP sound. I'm talking more about a death scream or something to that effect. The BUMP is like a windows error message, sounds lame IMO. Would like something similar to the sound when you light a Lancer in Borderlands on fire - the "screaming over the COM-system" is the sole reason for carrying a fire-elemental rocket-launcher!

vint trebble Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 46	Posted - 2012.09.09 16:22:00 - [51] - Quote Daedra Lord9 wrote: Personally, I just wish it was on the 360 instead of PS3. That's not to say that I dislike it by any means, since I love it, I just don't like the PS3. I realize that it wouldn't be as easy on 360, or maybe not even possible due to Microsoft's policies, but it would've been preferable, IMO. If it had been on the Xbox 360 then it would no longer be free to play. You have to pay Microsoft to access their internet service, where Sony lets you connect for free. It's better in the long run. Gives the players a chance to actually spend that 15 a month on Dust if they so choose, and keeps the game truly free to play. I prefer a PS3, and for a game like Dust 514 to hop on the PSN and for Sony to accept it as a F2P gives me hope for the future of gaming. As long as the F2P market goes in the direction that it is, we could be looking at a complete reduction of cost for at least MMO type games. Supply and Demand I guess. If all the customers stop paying because there is a market to play for free then more and more games will join in, in order to compete. THIS is what we need as gamers. Not willingness to pay Microsoft 15 dollars a month just to bypass a lock they set. One word... Kittens.
Mr Funless Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 191	Posted - 2012.09.09 17:07:00 - [52] - Quote I play EVE, I want DUST to succeed. I like the EVE style character progression and the potential of DUST. I have been in the beta for a couple of months. Here is the part where everyone is going to ignore the first part of my post. I got into Planetside 2 beta a couple days ago. It is also a beta. It is more fun now than DUST, and they are both in betas. I did not play PS1, I did not know anything about the factions, game times, weapons, classes, etc. In about 10 minutes I was up to speed on what I was supposed to do, how to navigate the map, what the objectives are, and how to upgrade classes/weapons. When I get killed, I didn't have the "wtf just killed me" moment, because it tells you who and what weapon killed you in a giant screen, easily recognizable. So next time I don't do the same thing. Even being an EVE vet. It took a lot of reading to figure out what the skills where in DUST. In PS2, you just have to play the game to figure that stuff out. Having played other FPSes, PS2 controls are more intuitive, DUST you have to look at the keybinds screen to figure out wtf does what. PS2 is a pure PVP game. No PVE, no politics, just jump in and kill stuff. In that respect, DUST has more potential. However, some people don't want to wait 2 years for it to get to that point. Edit: PS2 also does not have great graphics. My first reaction to seeing them was "wtf this isn't 2000 anymore". The gameplay made me forget them.
GarryKE Omnispace Trading Company 60	Posted - 2012.09.09 17:37:00 - [53] - Quote Alhanna Ridgeway wrote: t's an FPS. Sorry if it isn't skilless ramboing. That part made me giggle. What CCP are doing here by intertwining two games from two different platforms is a completely original idea and I can't think of any other company who has done this. If anyone says there's a lack of innovation I think they need to step back and look at it at a different angle in all honesty. So far though I think it'll be really good. Few thoughts I'd like to bounce to the forums a little later after playing the game a bit more and getting more used to it. Perhaps some people just like running around like the hulk with a machine gun or RPG shooting the stupid out of people
FiddlersGreen Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2012.09.09 17:47:00 - [54] - Quote The only thing that I am not liking about the game so far is that people take literally FOREVER to die by shooting them, however I also have realized that the way to solve this is to level up your weapon skills and get better guns, so its not THAT bad but still, it is a little misleading when you first jump into the game. Other than that I absolutely love the game, customization is more than any other FPS I have ever played, multiplayer wise at least. I am really liking the game alot so far. I just wish that I had easier ways of communicating to other players. I need to get a headset so that I can talk to and make friends with other people and start co-ordinating with teammates like the game is clearly designed for.
Shiro Mokuzan 220	Posted - 2012.09.09 18:37:00 - [55] - Quote FiddlersGreen wrote: people take literally FOREVER to die by shooting them. I hope you're ashamed of yourself for such blatant misuse of the word "literally". Go sit in the corner and stop posting.
FiddlersGreen Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2012.09.09 18:43:00 - [56] - Quote Shiro Mokuzan wrote: FiddlersGreen wrote: people take literally FOREVER to die by shooting them. I hope you're ashamed of yourself for such blatant misuse of the word "literally". Go sit in the corner and stop posting. Thanks for pointing that out, now that we have gotten that cleared up and you have reprimanded me for my misuse of the English language can we please talk about what my post was actually pointing out?
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2012.09.09 19:10:00 - [57] - Quote Beast Beastlington wrote: Th3rdSun wrote: Beast Beastlington wrote: The second thing for me is the ADS view. It's jarring to say the least. I hope this view isn't going to be a permanent feature and we see something more akin to the E3 2011 view. Again, for me, it creates a disconnect between the weapon and the player. The weapon doesn't have any identity any more and is replaced with an ugly camera view. I also feel there's a severe lack of feedback, both aural and tactile. Let's take COD: Black Ops as an example. When you are shooting an enemy you clearly hear "THUD" sounds and feel small vibrations in the control pad. It also has the hitmarkers on screen at the same time. Dust has the red X at the moment but it needs more IMO. There's also no enemy death noise and death animations are not up to the standard of other engines. For me,ADS needs work on it's feedback.Seems that it's more unresponsive than hip firing,which I find terribly inaccurate. There is a sound for killing someone,don't know how you don't hear it.It's probably THE most satisfying thing in the beta right now,is hearing that loud bombastic BUMP sound.I will agree that it would feel more complete with a little tactile feedback though. I'm talking more about a death scream or something to that effect. The BUMP is like a windows error message, sounds lame IMO. Well,I think thats a completely irrelevant thing to ask for,imo.No offense,but if that's one of your main gripes,then you might as well stop playing now,because asking for something so trivial just seems like with all of the other issues,nothing will ever make you happy.
Enzo Rossi Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2012.09.09 19:13:00 - [58] - Quote Just start passing out tissues for the crybabies because thats all i ever see in this forum.I understand that people need to vent their frustration out somewhere but D.a.m.n if you hate the game so bad or constantly try to compare it to another game go start your own company and make your own game.if its a bug report it , and stfu
FiddlersGreen Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2012.09.09 19:21:00 - [59] - Quote I don't hate the game, I think its great! Im just saying that the game could be so much better. And since its still in Beta, it is a good thing that people are stating their opinions.
T asujke Witko Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2012.09.09 19:40:00 - [60] - Quote Alhanna Ridgeway wrote: Graphics? It's got pretty damn good graphics. People are to graphic hungry these days. OOHHH makes it look better. I played an Atari, so yeah the graphics are fine imo. So what if it isn't on PC. People need to realize everything doesn't have to be on PC. They are trying to tie 1 game into another across consoles. It hasn't been done before. How bout we let them do it their way yes? Gamestyle? It's a FPS, ** there are only so many ways to do a FPS. The whole point is to point and shoot at someone. If you want to be technical the ONLY original Multiplayer FPS, was Goldeneye 64, that's what brought multiplayer FPS into mainstream, and it was split screen. Cause technically every FPS is you shooting someone, if you can figure out a way to make a FPS where you aren't shooting someone and still call it an FPS let me know. Otherwise the gamestyle is fine. Lack of Innovation? See Gamestyle for my response. It's an FPS. Sorry if it isn't skilless ramboing across the map spraying bullets while not aiming, and arbitrarily gaining money or levels to unlock attachments, weapons, and gun skins like most "BIG" FPS titles. Game Issues - It's a ***** beta people. BETA. Does everyone understand what that word means? Cause it seems like most people don't. I'm T asujke Witko (aka Crazy Horse), and I approve this message.

Beast Beastlington Bragian Order Amarr Empire 237	Posted - 2012.09.09 23:11:00 - [61] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: Beast Beastlington wrote: Th3rdSun wrote: Beast Beastlington wrote: The second thing for me is the ADS view. It's jarring to say the least. I hope this view isn't going to be a permanent feature and we see something more akin to the E3 2011 view. Again, for me, it creates a disconnect between the weapon and the player. The weapon doesn't have any identity any more and is replaced with an ugly camera view. I also feel there's a severe lack of feedback, both aural and tactile. Let's take COD: Black Ops as an example. When you are shooting an enemy you clearly hear "THUD" sounds and feel small vibrations in the control pad. It also has the hitmarkers on screen at the same time. Dust has the red X at the moment but it needs more IMO. There's also no enemy death noise and death animations are not up to the standard of other engines. For me,ADS needs work on it's feedback.Seems that it's more unresponsive than hip firing,which I find terribly inaccurate. There is a sound for killing someone,don't know how you don't hear it.It's probably THE most satisfying thing in the beta right now,is hearing that loud bombastic BUMP sound.I will agree that it would feel more complete with a little tactile feedback though. I'm talking more about a death scream or something to that effect. The BUMP is like a windows error message, sounds lame IMO. Well,I think thats a completely irrelevant thing to ask for,imo.No offense,but if that's one of your main gripes,then you might as well stop playing now,because asking for something so trivial just seems like with all of the other issues,nothing will ever make you happy. I suggest you stop taking it so personally. I am in the beta to give feedback. I will continue to do so whether or not you agree with what I post. None of the things posted are trivial. They all add to the experience. Every single small improvement can only serve to make the game better.
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2012.09.10 00:18:00 - [62] - Quote Beast Beastlington wrote: Th3rdSun wrote: Beast Beastlington wrote: Th3rdSun wrote: Beast Beastlington wrote: The second thing for me is the ADS view. It's jarring to say the least. I hope this view isn't going to be a permanent feature and we see something more akin to the E3 2011 view. Again, for me, it creates a disconnect between the weapon and the player. The weapon doesn't have any identity any more and is replaced with an ugly camera view. I also feel there's a severe lack of feedback, both aural and tactile. Let's take COD: Black Ops as an example. When you are shooting an enemy you clearly hear "THUD" sounds and feel small vibrations in the control pad. It also has the hitmarkers on screen at the same time. Dust has the red X at the moment but it needs more IMO. There's also no enemy death noise and death animations are not up to the standard of other engines. For me,ADS needs work on it's feedback.Seems that it's more unresponsive than hip firing,which I find terribly inaccurate. There is a sound for killing someone,don't know how you don't hear it.It's probably THE most satisfying thing in the beta right now,is hearing that loud bombastic BUMP sound.I will agree that it would feel more complete with a little tactile feedback though. I'm talking more about a death scream or something to that effect. The BUMP is like a windows error message, sounds lame IMO. Well,I think thats a completely irrelevant thing to ask for,imo.No offense,but if that's one of your main gripes,then you might as well stop playing now,because asking for something so trivial just seems like with all of the other issues,nothing will ever make you happy. I suggest you stop taking it so personally. I am in the beta to give feedback. I will continue to do so whether or not you agree with what I post. None of the things posted are trivial. They all add to the experience. Every single small improvement can only serve to make the game better. Not taking in personally,and you gave your feedback,now I gave you mine,and I think having a guy that you shot scream is irrelevant,especially considering the other things that need to be fixed in the beta. Furthermore,seems like you are taking it personal.I didn't call you any names or insult you,so sorry if you took it that way.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1592	Posted - 2012.09.10 01:42:00 - [63] - Quote Regis Mark V wrote: I said it once and I'll say it again... Just because it's F2P does not give it an excuse to be bad! There are plenty of F2P FPS and MMOFPS out there that blow this out of the water! Really? Did you really have to go there? I mean... you are effectively comparing an unfinished game to others that may have already be finished. Even with the Planet Side 2 beta argument, there is no comparison because it involves comparing two entirely different companies with differing levels of available resources.


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