kill the reps? i dont see the problem here.

I think CCP just wants everyone to spec tanks. They should really just take out all the other skills and make it more streamlined, so when the game launches every last person is driving a tank and shooting a turret.

Ahh, progress.

I'm sorry I killed you so much tonight in my Gunnlogi.

I think CCP just wants everyone to spec tanks. They should really just take out all the other skills and make it more streamlined, so when the game launches every last person is driving a tank and shooting a turret.

Ahh, progress.

Works in EVE do they have a problem with it? not really... Anyhow this is a important aspect of the EVE universe get over it.

He's not saying it shouldn't exist.

He's pointing out that it makes both tanks nearly invincible

He's not saying it shouldn't exist.

He's pointing out that it makes both tanks nearly invincible

I have yet to see someone attack my tank with anything other than a single person using militia ****. Do you think 1 person with militia should be able to kill a well-fit Gunnlogi with 3 people inside of it? You are a moron. I've seen how much effort you put into properly combating tankers.

I can't help it if no one wants to cooperate.

If only tank drivers needed coordination and skill to get all their kills. Also, where the **** did I say one person should be able to take these things down?

We're talking about spider tanking here, get with the program...

you don't know what spider tanking is do you? the rep, is another tank. it's multiple tanks repping EACH OTHER.

I can't help it if no one wants to cooperate.

Rock paper scissors.

Rock beats scissors. Dont think rocks are overpowered, because paper counters Rocks.

Scissors beat paper. Doesnt make scissors overpowered just because they tear up paper, throw a rock at them.

Basic principles. Find a counter to tanks and make it work instead of moaning that expensive anti-infantry tanks are raping you.

you need to play eve . the wining side is the group that has the more log ships . DUST is just a extension of eve . so learn to work together or just stop playing dust . 90% OF EVERYTHING in eve is done in groups from 6 to 1000 in groups .

You could always use a forge gun and a dropsuit instead. Otherwise putting a forge gun on a jeep would be far too powerful. Plus no one would see the point in acquiring forge guns for a dropsuit when they can just get one on a jeep........

I have yet to see someone attack my tank with anything other than a single person using militia ****. Do you think 1 person with militia should be able to kill a well-fit Gunnlogi with 3 people inside of it? You are a moron. I've seen how much effort you put into properly combating tankers.

you need to play eve . the wining side is the group that has the more log ships . DUST is just a extension of eve . so learn to work together or just stop playing dust . 90% OF EVERYTHING in eve is done in groups from 6 to 1000 in groups .

I love how no one seems to aknowledge the fact that if you have 4-6 guys with swarm launchers, you suddenly have 4-6 guys on your team that can't fight infantry. The tank just rolls on by, and now you've got a bunch of ISK just sitting there, waiting to be sent back to the clone vats.

I really hope they figure out swarm launchers soon >_<

Fast forward this game to two weeks time as it stands and put yourself in the shoes of a new merc.
After he's been killed by spider tanks time and again with no way of doing anything about it what do you really think his impressions will be ?.
It will take forever to rank up the pathetic AV weapons that are in the game with every game type being dominated by tanks.
Not like he signed up for tank wars in the first place, he signed up for an MMOFPS as advertised.
Tanks will kill all comers and dust the game too sadly !

Fast forward this game to two weeks time as it stands and put yourself in the shoes of a new merc.
After he's been killed by spider tanks time and again with no way of doing anything about it what do you really think his impressions will be ?.
It will take forever to rank up the pathetic AV weapons that are in the game with every game type being dominated by tanks.
Not like he signed up for tank wars in the first place, he signed up for an MMOFPS as advertised.
Tanks will kill all comers and dust the game too sadly !

im about to go see if av nades/nano actually work like mines and test how many i can lay down.

though i did notice the lead tank in the spidertanked armor duo i was a gunner in last night didnt have any sheilds constantly. this is prolly why.

LMFAO.........

I do believe I pointed out all of this and more a week ago, I got ripped to pieces for saying it !
Now look, a week later and it's thread after thread.

So happy I can say this now.

'' TOLD YA SO ''

Submachine guns. Train them, use them, love them. They have shorter range than a rifle, but absolutely massive amounts of ammo. If you get into a firefight with an assault suit and he starts reloading that's when you charge forward, because you've just won.

LMFAO.........

I do believe I pointed out all of this and more a week ago, I got ripped to pieces for saying it !
Now look, a week later and it's thread after thread.

So happy I can say this now.

'' TOLD YA SO ''

Did some math.

A full Swarm Launcher skill set will cost you 9,728,000 SP
An Assault Suit with a Prototype SL fit (No accessories like side arm or grenades) will cost you 111,120 ISK
That fit, if all six missiles hit, will give you (Approximations because of variable acquisition time)

Alpha: 2,927.4 HP
First Clip: 11,709.6 HP and 918.4 DPS
Sustained: 574 DPS

I've been told by HAV drivers they can reliably fit 14K EHP using a shield tank.

So (if I got the numbers close to right) After spending almost 10M Skill Points on Swarm Launchers and putting upwards of 110,000 ISK into their drop suit two coordinated players could Alpha a single tank.

Weaponry15512,0003% to light weapon damage
Swarm Launcher Operation251,024,0005% to damage radius
Swarm Launcher Proficiency552,560,0003% to rate of fire
Light Weapon Reload251,024,0003% to reload time
Light Weapon Reload Pro552,560,0002% to reload time
Assault Drop Suit 4842,048,000Three High Slots

Adv Assault131,92031,920
Complex Light Damage Modifier310,36031,080
Wiyrkomi Swarm Launcher148,12048,120

If youre using militia swarm launchers against standard or proto tanks, dont expect anything to come of it. You need to skill up in AV then co-ordinate with team mates to attack the tank. If it doesnt work....well. It should work. So many people are complaining about the same thing, yet they havent made an effort to do the logical thing and invest in AV skills.

@ Cpl Quartz, jeeps are quite weak vs tanks tbh. But it then depends on the type of turret used by the tank. LAV's are only jeeps remember. They shouldnt have much in the way of armour and anti-tank capacity.

why dont you go try that m8 swams max out were no good vs tanks in the last build go do a practical experiment smart @ss and then come back and tell us how you did lmfao

Did some math.

A full Swarm Launcher skill set will cost you 9,728,000 SP
An Assault Suit with a Prototype SL fit (No accessories like side arm or grenades) will cost you 111,120 ISK
That fit, if all six missiles hit, will give you (Approximations because of variable acquisition time)

Alpha: 2,927.4 HP
First Clip: 11,709.6 HP and 918.4 DPS
Sustained: 574 DPS

I've been told by HAV drivers they can reliably fit 14K EHP using a shield tank.

So (if I got the numbers close to right) After spending almost 10M Skill Points on Swarm Launchers and putting upwards of 110,000 ISK into their drop suit two coordinated players could Alpha a single tank.

Weaponry15512,0003% to light weapon damage
Swarm Launcher Operation251,024,0005% to damage radius
Swarm Launcher Proficiency552,560,0003% to rate of fire
Light Weapon Reload251,024,0003% to reload time
Light Weapon Reload Pro552,560,0002% to reload time
Assault Drop Suit 4842,048,000Three High Slots

Adv Assault131,92031,920
Complex Light Damage Modifier310,36031,080
Wiyrkomi Swarm Launcher148,12048,120

And when/how would you make Logi vehicles stop sucking? As in for a combat role. They already tank quite well for a fast vehicle...

Allright ive finally grouped up with a few people who actually use armor tanks like the Soma/Madrugar. I dont know why CCP allows it that remote armor repair modules are much more effective then remote shield booster modules. Lets take a look on both sides shall we?

Remote shield boosters:
-Active time :15 secs
-cooldown time: 15 secs

Remote armor repairs:
-active time: 60 seconds
-cooldown time: 3 seconds

This goes for all modules be it light or heavy modules it doesnt matter. If you encounter 2 guys spidertanking with armor repairs you are screwed cause theres allmost no way to destroy the tank. It needs like 4-6 guys who constantly attack the tank who gets constantly repaired. Its even more likely that you will run out of ammo for your AV weapon then destroying the spidertank. Just think it that way: a tank that gets repaired every sec with 400HP and that for 60 seconds. And the time before you can re use the module is only 3 secs. So the only time where you can inflict damage are just those 3 secs (+2 secs for re lock on). In my opinion as how it is now every 1 who goes for a shield tank is not very smart and doesnt even think about spidertanking. Hell you can even do tactics like 1 spidertank and 1 tank with extreme high armor (10.000HP+) and the spidertank just simply repairs the other tank while he kills everything on top of a hill. Another thing is that you probably wont get any SP for shield spidertanking while on the other hand you can get loads with armor spidertanking. Hell ive got once 80.000SP just for repairing a tank infront of me. And when i see a armor tank i know its time to farm SP.

Ha cry me a river. 2 tanks working together needed 4-6 people to kill them. Sounds under powered to me, not over powered