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STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.24 21:13:00 -
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_machine_gun read this and give it a second try. The modern style should come with modern stats. Or you could make a new hmg based off of the link.
Personally i would say the current falls in the general purpose/medium classification |
William HBonney
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.08.24 22:07:00 -
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The worse part about the HMGs is that they are broken...the advanced AUR one is the exact same and the Proto AUR, but the proto costs 9 AUR....
Plus the price of HMGs is rediculus....177,000 for a proto weapon??? compared to the 70,000 of assault rifles...some of the "special class" guns cost a dumb amount....forge, HMG, mass driver.....just stupid expensive |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.24 22:09:00 -
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William HBonney wrote:The worse part about the HMGs is that they are broken...the advanced AUR one is the exact same and the Proto AUR, but the proto costs 9 AUR....
Plus the price of HMGs is rediculus....177,000 for a proto weapon??? compared to the 70,000 of assault rifles...some of the "special class" guns cost a dumb amount....forge, HMG, mass driver.....just stupid expensive
Exactly those weapons are less meant for reg combat yet they cost a eve shuttle more |
Victor Czar
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.24 22:12:00 -
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I'd actually prefer that CCP make the HMG into an LMG (nerfing as they go so that you don't have assault guys just spamming LMG's) before making a new HMG that fires relatively slowly but fires 13mm steel clad, tungsten cored bullets more accurately than the current HMG. |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.24 22:16:00 -
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Victor Czar wrote:I'd actually prefer that CCP make the HMG into an LMG (nerfing as they go so that you don't have assault guys just spamming LMG's) before making a new HMG that fires relatively slowly but fires 13mm steel clad, tungsten cored bullets more accurately than the current HMG.
This is what a true hmg is |
Drake Gro'Dar
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Posted - 2012.08.24 22:58:00 -
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Yes give me This http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAU-8_Avenger and I'll be happy :) |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.24 23:02:00 -
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That doesn't even go on tanks... yet I'd be happy with an ads able m2 |
Anatoly Gasputin
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.08.24 23:12:00 -
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I just want my balanced HMG and I will be happy. CCP will deliver this in the future. |
Ignatius Crumwald
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.24 23:13:00 -
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I preferred the high damage, short distance HMG. Not only is it better from a gameplay perspective, but It just makes more sense that a projectile weapon meant to be just a few steps above what we have now would be less effective at distances than a plasma or energy weapon against a dropsuit.
The current incarnation is sort of sloppy. |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.24 23:16:00 -
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Ignatius Crumwald wrote:I preferred the high damage, short distance HMG. Not only is it better from a gameplay perspective, but It just makes more sense that a projectile weapon meant to be just a few steps above what we have now would be less effective at distances than a plasma or energy weapon against a dropsuit.
The current incarnation is sort of sloppy.
I was thinking around old breach damage but an even lower rof and about equal range but a smg or mass driver sight for ads |
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Evane Sa'edi
Celtic Anarchy
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Posted - 2012.08.24 23:38:00 -
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The current incarnation is a weak ghost of its ancestors. The current HMG needs to be given a larger damage level that offsets the problems of its size and weight, or there will be NO reason to take it to battle when smaller guns can kill just as well as and most times better than the HMG. It should be a high damage weapon that should even give tanks a difficlut time if caught in its sights. The current gatling style guns fire from 7.62mm to 12.7mm rounds at approximate speed of 1000m/s, with between 2000 to 6000 rpm (without overheating). CCP please correct the stats for the HMG to make it more useful in battle. |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.24 23:42:00 -
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Evane Sa'edi wrote:The current incarnation is a weak ghost of its ancestors. The current HMG needs to be given a larger damage level that offsets the problems of its size and weight, or there will be NO reason to take it to battle when smaller guns can kill just as well as and most times better than the HMG. It should be a high damage weapon that should even give tanks a difficlut time if caught in its sights. The current gatling style guns fire from 7.62mm to 12.7mm rounds at approximate speed of 1000m/s, with between 2000 to 6000 rpm (without overheating). CCP please correct the stats for the HMG to make it more useful in battle.
Possibly multiple incarnations of the hmg at least put the damage at the lowest for assault rifles and make a hmg that you could aim with a real slow rof and high damage |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.08.24 23:46:00 -
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Well eve is about 2 dark agest removed and 51k years from terra. |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.24 23:49:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Well eve is about 2 dark agest removed and 51k years from terra.
They've advanced this far yet they can't put rifle rounds in a machine gun |
Regis Mark V
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Posted - 2012.08.25 00:18:00 -
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It's not even an HMG it's a minigun/gatling gun!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minigun
Most LMG's fire the same round as most AR's while HMG's fire heavier rounds but are still manageable. LMG's and HMG's are used as mass casualty producing weapons! A machine gunner has a life expectancy of about 2 minutes on the combat zone because of there ability to put more ammo down range than a AR especially if the machine gunner is using a HMG.
Those minigun/gatling guns are usually mounted on vehicles. So my question is who in there right mind decided to give foot soldiers miniguns? If they would've been mounted on the dropship instead of rocket launchers I could understand.
This is what happens when people think oh this is cool and it's actually a horrible idea. |
Darky SI
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Posted - 2012.08.25 00:34:00 -
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I have been asking for HMG damage buff for months now, its called "Heavy Machine Gun" for a reason just look at description in one of CCP's Devs blog: A multi-barrel, rotary drive machine gun, the autocannon is a singularly (1)devastating anti-infantry weapon. Eschewing the advantages of a lighter frame in favor of (2)stopping power, the exponentially increased heat and vibration produced by this Boundless Creation developed weapon makes it almost unbearable to fire. Yet despite this fact, its above average hit ratio and extreme rate of fire has earned it the nickname (3)GÇ£DeathGÇÖs Engine.GÇ¥
(1) nope its far from anti-infantry currently (2) again wrong it can be out gunned by an SMG in its own range not to mention ARs (3) lol yeah we die a lot alright
that being said, we are not asking for Overpowered gun but a balanced one that has its own advantage over others a gun that fit its description to define its rule. The heavy dropsuit already has a lot of disadvantages no need to make it worse and give it underpowred gun, i love the heavy/HMG class but the cost-to-performance ratio is highly unbalanced. If you are going to make it 3x more expensive than the other guns in same tier at least give us the power advantage there is no point in using a gun that cost you a lot but it can't protect you well against other cheaper guns.
I am HMG fanboy i just love this gun it awesome and am going to use no matter what, if not in the front lines then so be it i'll provide cover to my teammates even if its mean am not going to kill anyone. |
Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.25 00:46:00 -
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Arnold didn't even need a heavy suit.
Neither did Jesse Ventura |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.25 01:00:00 -
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Cause they had the actually range and stopping power |
Avenger 245
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.25 01:08:00 -
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Regis Mark V wrote:It's not even an HMG it's a minigun/gatling gun! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MinigunMost LMG's fire the same round as most AR's while HMG's fire heavier rounds but are still manageable. LMG's and HMG's are used as mass casualty producing weapons! A machine gunner has a life expectancy of about 2 minutes on the combat zone because of there ability to put more ammo down range than a AR especially if the machine gunner is using a HMG. Those minigun/gatling guns are usually mounted on vehicles. So my question is who in there right mind decided to give foot soldiers miniguns? If they would've been mounted on the dropship instead of rocket launchers I could understand. This is what happens when people think oh this is cool and it's actually a horrible idea.
They are walking around in half a ton of armour, its not a big leap to give the biggest guy around a big gun. Besides heavys are more like walking turret mounts rather than infinitry.
I think the hmg should be a killing machine like no other give the hmg a dmg buff |
Nahtlog
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Posted - 2012.08.25 01:19:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_machine_gun read this and give it a second try. The modern style should come with modern stats. Or you could make a new hmg based off of the link.
Personally i would say the current falls in the general purpose/medium classification I enjoy the Minmatar technology where they can build you an engine with nothing but scrap metal and duct tape thank you. There could always be different variations in guns in terms of the races, so you might see something more like that for a Caldari HMG. |
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Regis Mark V
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Posted - 2012.08.25 01:26:00 -
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When Arnold used it wasn't he a freaking robot? |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.25 07:33:00 -
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Nahtlog wrote:STB Vermaak Doe wrote:http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_machine_gun read this and give it a second try. The modern style should come with modern stats. Or you could make a new hmg based off of the link.
Personally i would say the current falls in the general purpose/medium classification I enjoy the Minmatar technology where they can build you an engine with nothing but scrap metal and duct tape thank you. There could always be different variations in guns in terms of the races, so you might see something more like that for a Caldari HMG. I don't get why people down the minmatar. Most scouts will probably be minmatar, possibly heavies too |
Evane Sa'edi
Celtic Anarchy
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Posted - 2012.08.25 19:41:00 -
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Regis Mark V wrote:When Arnold used it wasn't he a freaking robot?
He was a suit in reverse - metal powered-suit on the inside, clone flesh on the outside.
Their miniguns have better fire rate and damage potential. Why do we not have the ability to fire through the ENTIRE ammo capacity in one go (if need be all 1500 plus rounds)? If 2 dark ages and 51 melenia have pass, where has the material development breakthroughs gone? Miniguns of today have a RoF of approx 4000 R/m with out excessive heat build up. The future should have improved since then. |
Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.08.25 19:56:00 -
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the damage potential isn't really that much better, and it's more than negated by the terrible accuracy.
i don't care if they increase the effective range, it will never be effective at range if you can't aim it. (i'm not saying you SHOULD be able to aim them, i'm just saying CCP seems to be missing the point.) |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.25 20:38:00 -
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Buzzwords wrote:the damage potential isn't really that much better, and it's more than negated by the terrible accuracy.
i don't care if they increase the effective range, it will never be effective at range if you can't aim it. (i'm not saying you SHOULD be able to aim them, i'm just saying CCP seems to be missing the point.)
Exactly the spread becomes unbearable quickly even with the range increase |
lDocHollidayl
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.08.25 20:55:00 -
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Video game. |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.26 02:34:00 -
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Bump |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.26 23:38:00 -
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Bump |
Facile
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.27 03:21:00 -
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ditto....from an HMG specialist that is moving to other builds |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.27 03:27:00 -
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If we keep this thread going long enough, ccp might listen to us disgruntled heavies |
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