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Saiibot Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 142	Posted - 2012.08.24 05:11:00 - [31] - Quote Bugid E Aiba wrote: Hey guys......it's a beta. It's not your personal demo time, it doesn't matter that your ps3 froze, you got kicked or whatever, report it and move on. you are here to be a server load. Check out the game when it releases and whine about it then if you aren't happy. If not shut up and be a beta tester. Naw! Its more of an alpha. Of the Soon TM variety
Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 902	Posted - 2012.08.24 06:08:00 - [32] - Quote The only real problem I have with the bugs is that people are joining the beta, not realizing that its a real beta, and telling everyone they know that the game sucks, etc IRL and on the internets. Goto any article about the precursor patch and read the comments. Maybe redirect some people to fixing these bugs and slow down the features until then? I think this game has a ton of potential, as I gave up on shooters years ago, but many people won't see that, they will only see the bugs, glictches and constant restarts and give up on it. The only reason why I put up with 2-3 successful and fun matches per 5 hour block that I sit down and play is that I WANT THIS TO SUCCEED SO ******* BAD.
STB Vermaak Doe 558	Posted - 2012.08.24 06:11:00 - [33] - Quote Lol when i put the gane on a large HDTV, me and my brother got stunned by "teh epicnes" for a couple minutes. Or we're both on shrooms
crazy space ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2012.08.24 08:52:00 - [34] - Quote Burger Helper wrote: CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: Gents, We are aware that there are issues and bugs that need to be ironed out and should have been. However, we are still implementing new features and this is because of production planning, i.e. the need to keep building C&D after building A&B. We can't stop making new features and fix only bugs at this stage, since we need to keep testing new things that we introduce. That is the true purpose of the Beta. Having said that, we will of course fix existing issues and bugs, but understand that we have to balance priorities against available resources. We do have a long list of bugs (many reported by beta testers on this very forum) and we are dedicating development time towards fixing them. oh, so priorities are towards putting in more stuff, not balancing it, and not fixing the big bugs? that does explain a lot And that's why people say, its a beta. They aren't gonna balance the damn thing yet. The game isn't done ! Where's my PcS ccp ! When's it coming !
gangsta nachos Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 377	Posted - 2012.08.24 09:19:00 - [35] - Quote They have years to fix this game why rush this is a forever beta thought everyone knew this lol
Regis Mark V 91	Posted - 2012.08.24 09:35:00 - [36] - Quote So we got rid of hard resets to get them back two builds later and your telling us that it's not a priority because of new features being added? What has been going on in this games 3 year development?
Ancaris Tenarre Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 15	Posted - 2012.08.24 10:18:00 - [37] - Quote Arbor Viridanus wrote: Burger Helper wrote: CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: Gents, We are aware that there are issues and bugs that need to be ironed out and should have been. However, we are still implementing new features and this is because of production planning, i.e. the need to keep building C&D after building A&B. We can't stop making new features and fix only bugs at this stage, since we need to keep testing new things that we introduce. That is the true purpose of the Beta. Having said that, we will of course fix existing issues and bugs, but understand that we have to balance priorities against available resources. We do have a long list of bugs (many reported by beta testers on this very forum) and we are dedicating development time towards fixing them. oh, so priorities are towards putting in more stuff, not balancing it, and not fixing the big bugs? that does explain a lot It makes more sense to put everything in and then get the bugs out instead of putting some stuff in, getting the bugs out, putting more stuff in, getting the new bugs out, etc. Ummm...no. No it doesn't. As you put more components into a system, the potential negative interactions between those components rises exponentially. If a developer wanted to have a clean stable system, they would put in a few things, get rid of bugs, put in a few more things, get rid of bugs. Someone even said something to this effect in a thread about graphics; that they were intentionally gimped right now so that they could rule out all programmatic bugs and then up the graphics and know that any bugs that arose then would be graphical ones. I still sympathize with CCP to an extent, certainly the trend these days is to get a product out to the frenzied masses no matter how incomplete it is, because everything can be magically fixed with patches, but that doesn't mean I can't be a little put off by the whole thing.
Forte Haulerson Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 6	Posted - 2012.08.24 10:21:00 - [38] - Quote CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: Gents, We are aware that there are issues and bugs that need to be ironed out and should have been. However, we are still implementing new features and this is because of production planning, i.e. the need to keep building C&D after building A&B. We can't stop making new features and fix only bugs at this stage, since we need to keep testing new things that we introduce. That is the true purpose of the Beta. Having said that, we will of course fix existing issues and bugs, but understand that we have to balance priorities against available resources. We do have a long list of bugs (many reported by beta testers on this very forum) and we are dedicating development time towards fixing them. So are you guys using SCRUM/Agile? If so this makes sense... but it also sounds like you are building a ton of technical debt atm .. my take is right now is I'd rather have the features implemented. For example, all those "Soon(tm)" screens need something.. :) I noticed the EVE Test Client for Singularity is reporting that pilots will be able to connect again on Monday. Does this mean we can expect a new build by then as well to sync up? Thanks, FH
Iceyburnz 316	Posted - 2012.08.24 10:24:00 - [39] - Quote Bugid E Aiba wrote: Hey guys......it's a beta. It's not your personal demo time, it doesn't matter that your ps3 froze, you got kicked or whatever, report it and move on. you are here to be a server load. Check out the game when it releases and whine about it then if you aren't happy. If not shut up and be a beta tester. /thread
JonnyAugust Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 212	Posted - 2012.08.24 11:43:00 - [40] - Quote Saiibot wrote: in most other betas, very large or game breaking bugs (like invalid fits) or huge problems with gameplay (like bad hit detection) take a build cycle or two to get fixed. Four or five of the really big bugs haven't been fixed in SIX MONTHS AND THREE BUILDS "but it's a beta!" does not cut it anymore That's exactly what I'm thinking. Also, it increases my worry that we have now moved into PS+ user beta land where the game is one build from release. "Precursor" comes before the main event. I am worried

JonnyAugust Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 212	Posted - 2012.08.24 11:50:00 - [41] - Quote CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: Gents, We are aware that there are issues and bugs that need to be ironed out and should have been. However, we are still implementing new features and this is because of production planning, i.e. the need to keep building C&D after building A&B. We can't stop making new features and fix only bugs at this stage, since we need to keep testing new things that we introduce. That is the true purpose of the Beta. Having said that, we will of course fix existing issues and bugs, but understand that we have to balance priorities against available resources. We do have a long list of bugs (many reported by beta testers on this very forum) and we are dedicating development time towards fixing them. That is reassuring, Wang. Our concerns generally stem from how other companies have promised the moon and we get half done features with little polish. As a ps3 community, we have been burned many times before. You must know of all the 'preview' beta's out there. When we see big problems we can't help but get nervous about release and the current state of the game. I do sincerely appreciate your attention into our concerns though. Proof is in the pudding for us atm.
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.08.24 12:12:00 - [42] - Quote What about changing the gameplay and make it on apr with the best FPS on PS3, that is by far the number 1 priority. Adding more/new things now on such weak foundations will severe no purpose but to make the entire "building" fall even more disastrously.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.08.24 12:14:00 - [43] - Quote Forte Haulerson wrote: CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: Gents, We are aware that there are issues and bugs that need to be ironed out and should have been. However, we are still implementing new features and this is because of production planning, i.e. the need to keep building C&D after building A&B. We can't stop making new features and fix only bugs at this stage, since we need to keep testing new things that we introduce. That is the true purpose of the Beta. Having said that, we will of course fix existing issues and bugs, but understand that we have to balance priorities against available resources. We do have a long list of bugs (many reported by beta testers on this very forum) and we are dedicating development time towards fixing them. So are you guys using SCRUM/Agile? If so this makes sense... but it also sounds like you are building a ton of technical debt atm .. my take is right now is I'd rather have the features implemented. For example, all those "Soon(tm)" screens need something.. :) I noticed the EVE Test Client for Singularity is reporting that pilots will be able to connect again on Monday. Does this mean we can expect a new build by then as well to sync up? Thanks, FH Technical Debt in eve is rather high but lately they been addressing it. For example the woeful UI (which initself has geernated alot of debt but they're fixing it as they go with it) as well as playing whack a mole with '1000 papercuts' project which is supposivly a large list of 'low hanging' fruit to fix. I have started a similar list for dust 514 but I cant be bothered to update it until the hot fix today goes though.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.08.24 12:20:00 - [44] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: The only real problem I have with the bugs is that people are joining the beta, not realizing that its a real beta, and telling everyone they know that the game sucks, etc IRL and on the internets. Goto any article about the precursor patch and read the comments. Maybe redirect some people to fixing these bugs and slow down the features until then? I think this game has a ton of potential, as I gave up on shooters years ago, but many people won't see that, they will only see the bugs, glictches and constant restarts and give up on it. The only reason why I put up with 2-3 successful and fun matches per 5 hour block that I sit down and play is that I WANT THIS TO SUCCEED SO ***** BAD. then blame ccp/sony for allowing random ppl in a closed beta expecting them not to treat it as a demo Treating the beta like a celebrity event with these "weekly events" and granting access to ppl like IGN and PS+ who will obviously treat is as a demo and then say the game is **......ccp/sony only have themselves to blame for the poor advertisement dunno whose genius idea that was
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.08.24 12:22:00 - [45] - Quote Why is the forums full of whiny children like the OP always expecting a beta demo like BF3? Dont they realise is actually a proper beta
Mr TamiyaCowboy Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 121	Posted - 2012.08.24 12:31:00 - [46] - Quote CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: Gents, We are aware that there are issues and bugs that need to be ironed out and should have been. However, we are still implementing new features and this is because of production planning, i.e. the need to keep building C&D after building A&B. We can't stop making new features and fix only bugs at this stage, since we need to keep testing new things that we introduce. That is the true purpose of the Beta. Having said that, we will of course fix existing issues and bugs, but understand that we have to balance priorities against available resources. We do have a long list of bugs (many reported by beta testers on this very forum) and we are dedicating development time towards fixing them. i know you guys are pushed Mr wang. is there some way we could have bug reporting added to the client ? eve style petitions but in a bug hunting format. having to use two differnet platforms to contact you guys about bugs is a pain in the if we could have one bug fixed, i know all of us would stand together and say INVALID FITTING. this is a major pain the the booty its a major killer of fun. Its a pain in the freaking rear another one will be the lead upto the invalid fitting thats the SERVER FULL. if you see this you know your going to be reseting console. the invalid fittings and server full are tied bugs, i have replicated 7-7 times could we have resources just fix this invalid bug it would help us and you 100%
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.08.24 12:33:00 - [47] - Quote I just find it funny eve online has bug reporting for dust 514.
Mr TamiyaCowboy Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 121	Posted - 2012.08.24 12:37:00 - [48] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I just find it funny eve online has bug reporting for dust 514. where ? i know i come here to report bugs, i report eve bugs via petition and/or the eve forum. i do not report dust via the eve client. but i would like some way of the dust client allowing a petiton style bug report via a petiton system like eve's
Forte Haulerson Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 6	Posted - 2012.08.24 12:41:00 - [49] - Quote Mr TamiyaCowboy wrote: (...snip) another one will be the lead upto the invalid fitting thats the SERVER FULL. if you see this you know your going to be reseting console. the invalid fittings and server full are tied bugs, i have replicated 7-7 times could we have resources just fix this invalid bug it would help us and you 100% I've noticed if I go and do something else in the Neocom instead of spamming connect before trying again after a server full it reduces significantly the likelihood of this happening. I've only had one INVALID FIT bug since I started doing this and that time was actually because I was trying to restock and fit from the War Room instead of my Merc Quarters and the game started before I saved my restock... L8r, FH
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.08.24 12:46:00 - [50] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: then blame ccp/sony for allowing random ppl in a closed beta expecting them not to treat it as a demo Treating the beta like a celebrity event with these "weekly events" and granting access to ppl like IGN and PS+ who will obviously treat is as a demo and then say the game is ****......ccp/sony only have themselves to blame for the poor advertisement dunno whose genius idea that was Sony is blameless. They are not in control of Dust 514 and if the PS+ entered now its becuse CCP allowed it. Also CCP in the first place allowed to "buy" the access into the beta and did it probably because they believed that the beta was mature/solid enough to be showed to a wider public. Also journalist are allowed to enter the beta and write about it so if CCP really thought that this was a too bad beta they would not have allowed any of this to happen. The real problem here is that, while some believe Dust 514 is nowhere near to be a good FPS or a solid product, CCP seems to be of another opinion entirely. @everyone PlanetSide 2 is in beta and it's a far better game already.

PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 781	Posted - 2012.08.24 12:48:00 - [51] - Quote I'm glad people are waking up.
Templar Two Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 459	Posted - 2012.08.24 12:58:00 - [52] - Quote Another thing. If Dust is in this state it's because many defended it at all cost and blindly. During the last months those of us that criticized the quality of Dust where branded as idiots and now this is the result. Yes men & blind fanboys made Dust 514 what ti is now.
Corban Lahnder ZionTCD Legacy Rising 158	Posted - 2012.08.24 13:30:00 - [53] - Quote The big four CCP is abundantly aware of, If current builds havent fixed it, they havent fixed it for beta testers for a reason. Who knows maybe the server migration will fix some of those probs. So, Its beta. I think that statement applies less to bugs and applies more to people using statements like this: "Wow this game is terrible." Well its because its not a game. Yet. Its a beta. People reporting bugs like the big four should never be silenced with the statement: Its a beta. But at the same time I really wish they would just create sticked forums post regarding them so people would realize they have been taken into consideration by the devs and stop bitching about the same **** over and over again.
EriktheHeartless Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 168	Posted - 2012.08.24 13:32:00 - [54] - Quote i had high hopes for this game but due to poor mechanics i have decided that i wasted 20 bucks on a merc pack.A game cannot and should not live on concept and fanboys.it is a beta so we all understand that there are going to be issues but the experienced testers understand that certain problems/bugs should take precedent over new shiney stuff. i would rather play a graphically inferior game with superior gunplay than vice versa. Although the game will be free my time is valuable and i prefer not to waste it on inferior entertainment because i dont want to admit the game i kept saying was going to be great turned out to be a lemon. Sorry if my 2 cents makes any more evetards butthurt but frankly i dont care, and for those who say "you should leave if you dont like it" well my answer would be... i paid the 20 bucks i can complain and whine and troll to my hearts content. go eat a kitten.(by the way you know its a kids game when it is censored for language) cue the rage!!! cap locks down target in sight.....wait for it........waaiit for iiiitttt........FIRE
Maffia- Thug 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 62	Posted - 2012.08.24 13:58:00 - [55] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Arbor Viridanus wrote: Burger Helper wrote: CCP Cmdr Wang wrote: Gents, We are aware that there are issues and bugs that need to be ironed out and should have been. However, we are still implementing new features and this is because of production planning, i.e. the need to keep building C&D after building A&B. We can't stop making new features and fix only bugs at this stage, since we need to keep testing new things that we introduce. That is the true purpose of the Beta. Having said that, we will of course fix existing issues and bugs, but understand that we have to balance priorities against available resources. We do have a long list of bugs (many reported by beta testers on this very forum) and we are dedicating development time towards fixing them. oh, so priorities are towards putting in more stuff, not balancing it, and not fixing the big bugs? that does explain a lot It makes more sense to put everything in and then get the bugs out instead of putting some stuff in, getting the bugs out, putting more stuff in, getting the new bugs out, etc. Precisely, and hopefully we can keep going with this without any further over-nerfs due to whiners. There are a lot of whinnners. But, I wouldn't really call most of them whinners, just because of their attitiudes on the forums. They are more like?.............................................
Regis Mark V 91	Posted - 2012.08.24 16:29:00 - [56] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: Why is the forums full of whiny children like the OP always expecting a beta demo like BF3? Dont they realise is actually a proper beta Why are the forums full of blind people? This beta is bad Esnake and you know it you dont want to admit it. The new build and move to the "better" server has bought about more hard locks than the second build. They keep adding shiny graphics and equipment instead of fixing the gameplay. Hell even Wang said that stuff doesn't take precedence over testing out new things.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.08.24 16:37:00 - [57] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: Why is the forums full of whiny children like the OP always expecting a beta demo like BF3? Dont they realise is actually a proper beta where did he say its a beta demo or expected one? are u stupid? yall need to get off the "its a beta" thing for a bit and realise that how many builds in and the basics are not good yet? that is worrying. What ***** beta u know that neglects the foundation and starts on the fancy ** 1st? i have probably been in more real betas and other "betas" than u and i can tell u this is one of the more poorly handled ones u have CCP treating the beta like a celebrity event having week passes and special invites to gaming sites and PS+ when the game is in no kinda condition to be publicly exposed yet and its giving the game bad advertisement Maybe u should go remind CCP this suppose to be a real beta and not a hype machine because in order to live up to the hype the core mechanics need to be solid and currently it is not and if the game fails fanboys will still be on and be in denial for the real reasons it failed and make excuses like "the game was just too hard for ppl......yea thats right....if i keep tellin myself that i'll eventually believe it and it has nothing at all to do with how the shooting is or how clunky the game is in general"
Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.08.24 16:52:00 - [58] - Quote Saiibot wrote: in most other betas, very large or game breaking bugs (like invalid fits) or huge problems with gameplay (like bad hit detection) take a build cycle or two to get fixed. Four or five of the really big bugs haven't been fixed in SIX MONTHS AND THREE BUILDS "but it's a beta!" does not cut it anymore It IS a beta. And it will probably be a beta for at least one more build, perhaps even two. What people need to understand is that THIS beta is more in the line of how Betas run on the PC's . That is, you get in very early, and you have a TON of bugs. You may even have builds that are deliberately unbalanced towards one type or another, just to test the math. Don't confuse this with the typical Console "Beta" where you get access to what is essentially a nearly finished product, and any problems are really minor. Last: I can only say this!
Rhadiem Algintal Core Gallente Federation 496	Posted - 2012.08.24 17:11:00 - [59] - Quote Bugid E Aiba wrote: Hey guys......it's a beta. It's not your personal demo time, it doesn't matter that your ps3 froze, you got kicked or whatever, report it and move on. you are here to be a server load. Check out the game when it releases and whine about it then if you aren't happy. If not shut up and be a beta tester. This.
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.08.24 17:29:00 - [60] - Quote TBH regis n numbers i couldnt give a ** Its a beta getting worked on by a company which going into the unknown for them, they are going far left field and trying something different which hasnt been attempted by anyone else I expect problems, i expect new problems to pop up, i expect fixes and more problems to pop up as they tweek and add things Its a beta but tbh for me its better than all other FPS shooters i have So tbh i really dont care that DUST has problems right now in the beta stage, CCP do know about them, could be worse tbh i mean we could be like still 6months+ after a AAA title is realised a mic and grouping is bugged so badly that mics are useless and so is grouping because they get split up with constant weapon tweeking and OP weapons - guess the game for a like For me its a beta, im a beta tester still playing tinkering around with things and occasionally do report things but i know its a beta and i dont expect too much these days mostly due to bad companys constantly talking out of ther arse tbh like EA does, for me i play EVE and have seen enough of CCP from the EVE side of things to give me enough hope that DUST can do well Closed beta, 3rd build in i think, i will get more worried if problems still persist when it comes out of closed status and is near release date but tbh i stuck with MAG and lolzipper long enough (after release) simply because every other FPS game is a cod clone or wannabe clone and the genre is stale as **



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