Nice childish rant you have there, Dr. Video Games. Please tell us more about how qualified you are to write immature nonsense.

Some valid points Immortiano now prepare for the fan boys to shoot you down in flames and for the usual intelegent responses like the one above

Balanced game. DUST is not one. You had people complain about too many dropships, so you went and made them unflyable. Too many tanks I hear? Ok, letGÇÖs make them very expensive. Sounds fair. But wait, thereGÇÖs more! LetGÇÖs make everything so expensive, that when a talk does show up, everybody will only afford a militia swarm launcher, so the tank driver can just laugh and steamroll everyone. Kinda like they did before, right? Quoting the forums: GÇ£I think you don't see a lot of higher tier AV weapons because of how expensive they are, and how much easier to lose the isk then you are in a high tier tank right now.GÇ¥ Btw, I'll give you a beer if you tell me you've read this sentence. You stated that a new player should be able to pick up the controller and start playing DUST. HOW THE **** IS ONE SUPPOSED TO DO THAT, WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE SPAWNING OP TANKS AND ALL YOU HAVE IS A POTATO SLINGSHOT?

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Reading through the forums I see that you only got 2 builds before the big release. The last build made everything prettier and fixed nothing. In this rhythm, youGÇÖll be the laughing stock when DUST gets released. YouGÇÖd think that a company like CCP that went through the monocle fiasco with EVE would have learned how to make games by now. Another quote GÇ£u would think that from 2009 the foundation and core mechanics would be the 1st **** they worked onGÇ¥. You would think wrong. Apparently lens flare and aurum are way more important.

How do you think youGÇÖll ever make DUST a successful FPS if you canGÇÖt even get the core mechanics working AFTER SO MUCH DEVELOPMENT TIME. I wonder how you even started working on DUST. Did you try and make the models and textures first, then thought you should add flares and bloom and shortly before the first beta came out, thought it would be a good idea to do the shooting mechanics? Honestly. Look at Counter-Strike: Global Offensive. First they made sure that every bullet lands where it should every ******* time. Then they started adding guns and tweaking them. Your response to the dozens of posts complaining about tanks being unbalanced? Add another tank. Who the **** approves this kind of decisions?

Some valid points Immortiano now prepare for the fan boys to shoot you down in flames and for the usual intelegent responses like the one above

Thank you for your feedback, but please everyone, read forum rules again: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=18206

We appreciate every constructive post on our forums, and are aware of bugs/issues that beta has at the moment and that is why we are testing these things with you guys and make them better with every build! We are glad that you are participating in our beta test and will do our best to improve on everything over time.

Thank you!

Its nice to see some feed back but please could you limit the feed back to the posts that deserve it.

Im playing beta theres bug **shock horror*** b*tch and moan about stuff thats been said in a constuctive manner already never going to play again.

The above style posts should just be ignored or better still deleted. The game can do with out people like this. The OP will never be happy until you give him unlimited HP and enough damage to 1 shot kill everyone on the map without having to aim at them. that way his ePeen can be proven with a high K/D ratio.

In fact i'd go as far as banning these people from Beta as they dont seem to have any idea what its all about.

@OP if you want a bug free game go and pick up a full release but good luck finding one bug free they're few and far between even years after release.

Games companies really need to go back to the old skool before patching was wide spread where games had to be released bug free. But even then there were many many bugs in beta cos hey thats what a beta is for.

If you really were so experienced in programming youd know how difficult it is to nail down a bug especially the types that cause client disconnects and hardware freezes you need 100's or 1000's of occurances before pattens can be seen in the diag's.

The op has stated his opinion and feed back be it negative it is still valid would you rather all sing the praise of a great game and let it be released as is or would you rather have all feed back positive and negative to make a sub standard build into a working good game ?

I completely agree with the OP +1,000,000,000,000,000,000

No way should a game be in dev for 3+ years and look like an be a alpha in beta clothing! With supposed ex-DICE on the games shooter side. Horrible micro transaction model that screams P2W.

Planetside 2 is a beta in alpha clothing! Sony if youre smart you'll either let the devs for planetside 2 make MAG 2 or down grade ps2 for a console port!

I guess "intelegent" is just the right word ^^

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Let me argument my previous statements with a couple of examples. First and foremost, FPS mechanics. TheyGÇÖre non existent. Hit detection. 3 years of development and rounds still donGÇÖt hit players. Remember at the Fanfest where 90% of the player had godmode, so you didnGÇÖt do any damage to them? Well, 5 months later and you still didnGÇÖt fix it. IGÇÖve emptied a magazine on a still player, watched his shields glow as my bullets were deflecting off of it and yet his shield bar didnGÇÖt budge. Really? Really?! You want to put the best FPS out on the market and you still havenGÇÖt made shooting other people work?!

I guess "intelegent" is just the right word ^^

Thank you for your feedback, but please everyone, read forum rules again: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=18206

We appreciate every constructive post on our forums, and are aware of bugs/issues that beta has at the moment and that is why we are testing these things with you guys and make them better with every build! We are glad that you are participating in our beta test and will do our best to improve on everything over time.

Thank you!

Balanced game. DUST is not one. You had people complain about too many dropships, so you went and made them unflyable. Too many tanks I hear? Ok, letGÇÖs make them very expensive. Sounds fair. But wait, thereGÇÖs more! LetGÇÖs make everything so expensive, that when a talk does show up, everybody will only afford a militia swarm launcher, so the tank driver can just laugh and steamroll everyone. Kinda like they did before, right? Quoting the forums: GÇ£I think you don't see a lot of higher tier AV weapons because of how expensive they are, and how much easier to lose the isk then you are in a high tier tank right now.GÇ¥ Btw, I'll give you a beer if you tell me you've read this sentence. You stated that a new player should be able to pick up the controller and start playing DUST. HOW THE **** IS ONE SUPPOSED TO DO THAT, WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE SPAWNING OP TANKS AND ALL YOU HAVE IS A POTATO SLINGSHOT?

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Reading through the forums I see that you only got 2 builds before the big release. The last build made everything prettier and fixed nothing. In this rhythm, youGÇÖll be the laughing stock when DUST gets released. YouGÇÖd think that a company like CCP that went through the monocle fiasco with EVE would have learned how to make games by now. Another quote GÇ£u would think that from 2009 the foundation and core mechanics would be the 1st **** they worked onGÇ¥. You would think wrong. Apparently lens flare and aurum are way more important.

How do you think youGÇÖll ever make DUST a successful FPS if you canGÇÖt even get the core mechanics working AFTER SO MUCH DEVELOPMENT TIME. I wonder how you even started working on DUST. Did you try and make the models and textures first, then thought you should add flares and bloom and shortly before the first beta came out, thought it would be a good idea to do the shooting mechanics? Honestly. Look at Counter-Strike: Global Offensive. First they made sure that every bullet lands where it should every ******* time. Then they started adding guns and tweaking them. Your response to the dozens of posts complaining about tanks being unbalanced? Add another tank. Who the **** approves this kind of decisions?

Yep and 'Argument' = Augment - not the same

....& gem is spelled with a 'g' not 'jem'

Spellcheck your rant maybe before yelling at CCP about not paying enough attention to details...

But hey lets please most of you the games ready for release it's fantastic especially the fps bit.

I've seen a couple people say the game's ready for release, and it's as ridiculous as saying the game is total garbage. Nobody reasonable believes the game is near primetime. But many of us do see that it's going in a good direction and want to encourage it to grow that way.

On the other hand, some of us apparently want the devs to realize they're total idiots and just give up. I don't understand that.

Yup you cant post anything of late nagative without some one jumping in and going off on one .No one seems to like anything unless it suits there own point of view, discussion has gone out of the window

It's all about the way you frame it. If you're posting to say DUST is terrible and everything about it is stupid and sub-par and it's so bad it can't be fixed, what are you trying to discuss? Try framing it as, "I think there's a fundamental problem here that we should look at, it's a lot of work to fix it but I think it's crucial to the game."

Hey all I said was the op had some valid points and wait for the flame to start then i get it in the neck and commented on some one who replied whine whine whine, just goes to prove a point but i'm gonna leave it now as most people are ok it's just a few who spoil it

It plays ok. There's still no feeling of "soul" and it's still pub par even compared to sub par games. It's improving though.

Until it's as good as crappy games like say cell factor ; psycokinetic wars, we can fully expect post like this and they are valid. Especially from someone who played in the fanfest tournament.

And yet, it plays well. Perhaps you just are terrible at the game despite your so-called "history" of gaming. Next time, learn how to play.

maybe hes shooting his own team thats why he sees the shield effect and the health bar go down, because i have no problem now.

I read that sentence.

I doubt he has won anything in his life let alone the fanfest tourny and professional TF2 lol no, so far i just think he is full of ****

...i doubt hes a programmer and worked anywhere unless hes worked for zipper then i can understand why he seems to ride short bus

Has to be a troll

The OP will never be happy until you give him unlimited HP and enough damage to 1 shot kill everyone on the map without having to aim at them. that way his ePeen can be proven with a high K/D ratio.

And someone said that the foundation should be the link to EVE. Yes and no. First and foremost, this is an FPS. Where people shoot each other and expect them to die if they empty a clip between their eyes. Starting this project without any prior experience and not getting the core FPS elements right is a huge mistake. You can not build on something that masquerades as an FPS when you still haven't ironed out hit detection.

I know I've pissed a lot of people today with this thread, but if things don't take a turn for the best, I'm afraid this won't end well for CCP. No matter how cool orbital strikes will be. I love CCP and I love the concept of DUST. I just don't see it leading anywhere good if the devs don't refocus on what's important.

A little bit of info about myself: I have played video games since forever. IGÇÖve played EVE since 2004. I have played professional Counter-Strike 1.6 and Team Fortress 2. I am one of the 24 people who won the DUST tournament at this yearGÇÖs EVE Fanfest. I am a programmer and IGÇÖve worked at companies much larger than CCP. IGÇÖve been in betas and even alphas before..

So this guy is complaining about a free game?? why?
If you dont like it then go somewhere else. Yeah the game has issues and im sure they will continue to work on them.
Nobody cares that ooooooo i won tournaments. I could easily go on about bragging rights for tournament play.
Were here to talk about fixing the game not bashing it and complaining about a FREE game. So shut up and say what should be fixed and what they could add.

Just so you know I never played Eve. I just thought this would be something different to play instead of cod.. lol BF3 is still better by the way.

Thank you for your feedback, but please everyone, read forum rules again: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=18206

We appreciate every constructive post on our forums, and are aware of bugs/issues that beta has at the moment and that is why we are testing these things with you guys and make them better with every build! We are glad that you are participating in our beta test and will do our best to improve on everything over time.

Thank you!

So this guy is complaining about a free game?? why?
If you dont like it then go somewhere else. Yeah the game has issues and im sure they will continue to work on them.
Nobody cares that ooooooo i won tournaments. I could easily go on about bragging rights for tournament play.
Were here to talk about fixing the game not bashing it and complaining about a FREE game. So shut up and say what should be fixed and what they could add.

Just so you know I never played Eve. I just thought this would be something different to play instead of cod.. lol BF3 is still better by the way.

OP is right on a lot of points. If Dust really has 2 builds before it's ready than CCP needs to step up and start working on the core factors and stop adding in features to hide them. The game is lacking in a lot of points and game play mechanics is one of the big ones it's lacking in. The shooter aspect is highly broken in the game and needs to be looked at. The mini map is unless. Hit detection is better but needs a lot of work still. Only people that think the game is going good is fanboys lying to themselves wanting the game to be good.

The only things I think it should be able to detect regardless are tanks and dropships if they are within a certain distance of you, as they are pretty hard to miss, and the overview map seen when issuing squad orders should show everything, so you can issue orders accordingly.

Look at the mini map in Counter-Strike: Source. It's amazing. When any of your teammates spots an enemy, it shows on the map. If your teammate dies, it shows as a blue X for a few seconds. If an enemy dies, it shows as a red X for a few seconds. If you're out of range of these events they will be shown at the edge of the minimap.

If you hide behind a corner and nobody sees you, you DON'T show on the map. Ever. It makes perfect sense. Why can a tank see me, when i can't see it? Also, splash damage through walls is ludicrous.

As for adding more features before existing ones are polished, I understand this kind of work flow [1], but CCP is doing it way too fast. Fix the big bus before you roll out a new feature, do some regression testing ffs. You're rushing the development to meet a certain deadline. There should never have been a deadline in the first place. That way you could implement a feature, polish it, iterate on it, then build on it. Not put out 10 features, break the previous 5, add another 2 and hope for the best.

As someone said in another thread, "this is a beta" ain't cutting it anymore. It never even reached the state of beta. We're still in a glorified alpha.

[1] http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/rational/library/4243.html

If it's a joke, why are you on the forums troll?

Because I want DUST to be the greatest game ever as much as the next guy.