DUST Search - DUST is a joke

Immortiano Dranon wrote:

Balanced game. DUST is not one. You had people complain about too many dropships, so you went and made them unflyable. Too many tanks I hear? Ok, letGÇÖs make them very expensive. Sounds fair. But wait, thereGÇÖs more! LetGÇÖs make everything so expensive, that when a talk does show up, everybody will only afford a militia swarm launcher, so the tank driver can just laugh and steamroll everyone. Kinda like they did before, right? Quoting the forums: GÇ£I think you don't see a lot of higher tier AV weapons because of how expensive they are, and how much easier to lose the isk then you are in a high tier tank right now.GÇ¥ Btw, I'll give you a beer if you tell me you've read this sentence. You stated that a new player should be able to pick up the controller and start playing DUST. HOW THE **** IS ONE SUPPOSED TO DO THAT, WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE SPAWNING OP TANKS AND ALL YOU HAVE IS A POTATO SLINGSHOT?

Reading through the forums I see that you only got 2 builds before the big release. The last build made everything prettier and fixed nothing. In this rhythm, youGÇÖll be the laughing stock when DUST gets released. YouGÇÖd think that a company like CCP that went through the monocle fiasco with EVE would have learned how to make games by now. Another quote GÇ£u would think that from 2009 the foundation and core mechanics would be the 1st **** they worked onGÇ¥. You would think wrong. Apparently lens flare and aurum are way more important.

How do you think youGÇÖll ever make DUST a successful FPS if you canGÇÖt even get the core mechanics working AFTER SO MUCH DEVELOPMENT TIME. I wonder how you even started working on DUST. Did you try and make the models and textures first, then thought you should add flares and bloom and shortly before the first beta came out, thought it would be a good idea to do the shooting mechanics? Honestly. Look at Counter-Strike: Global Offensive. First they made sure that every bullet lands where it should every ******* time. Then they started adding guns and tweaking them. Your response to the dozens of posts complaining about tanks being unbalanced? Add another tank. Who the **** approves this kind of decisions?

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Immortiano Dranon Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 179	Posted - 2012.08.23 08:22:00 - [1] - Quote A little bit of info about myself: I have played video games since forever. IGÇÖve played EVE since 2004. I have played professional Counter-Strike 1.6 and Team Fortress 2. I am one of the 24 people who won the DUST tournament at this yearGÇÖs EVE Fanfest. I am a programmer and IGÇÖve worked at companies much larger than CCP. IGÇÖve been in betas and even alphas before.. Disclaimer: may contain profanity. Now that we know each other a little bit, let me say this: DUST is a ***** JOKE. CCP has been working at this game since what, 2009? And all you came up is this half baked piece of **? IGÇÖve never in my entire life screamed so much profanity at my TV screen while playing a videogame. The game is utterly broken, unbalanced, crawling with bugs and broken. Yes I said that twice. ItGÇÖs really b0rked. I just got disconnected from an active battle while trying to issue commands as a squad leader. I noticed my clip wasnGÇÖt depleting and then I was presented with the controller schema screen with the loading animation and it sat there until I decided to force quit. I am trying really hard to play and enjoy this game. But itGÇÖs doing everything it can to stop me. Let me substantiate my previous statements with a couple of examples. First and foremost, FPS mechanics. TheyGÇÖre non existent. Hit detection. 3 years of development and rounds still donGÇÖt hit players. Remember at the Fanfest where 90% of the player had godmode, so you didnGÇÖt do any damage to them? Well, 5 months later and you still didnGÇÖt fix it. IGÇÖve emptied a magazine on a still player, watched his shields glow as my bullets were deflecting off of it and yet his shield bar didnGÇÖt budge. Really? Really?! You want to put the best FPS out on the market and you still havenGÇÖt made shooting other people work?!
Immortiano Dranon Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 179	Posted - 2012.08.23 08:23:00 - [2] - Quote Minimap. ItGÇÖs the most useless piece of garbage IGÇÖve ever seen. When you spawn on a skirmish map for the first time, you have no idea where the objectives are. The minimap doesnGÇÖt show them, so you literally have to do a 360 in order to figure out which way to go. Then you have the player indicators. Enemies seem to appear on the minimap out of nowhere, even though no one has spotted them. I once spawned between the hills. Literally. Between the hills. There was no other player visible as far as I could see. Yet, a tank appeared on the horizon and blapped me with 2 missiles. Why? Because I was showing on its map. Why? Because. I didnGÇÖt shoot, no one saw me, there was NO ONE BUT ME AND THE TANK AND I WAS SITTING BETWEEN 2 PILES OF DIRT. But still, the tank was able to headshot me from the other side of the map, WITHOUT EVEN ******* HAVE A VISUAL ON ME. slow claps slow claps Spawning. Great job CCP on this one. Great job. YouGÇÖve went from fixed spawn points, which you admitted were bugged, to spawning between a blob of enemies. Oh yeah. Biggest improvement ever. And when youGÇÖre not spawning in front of the enemyGÇÖs weapon barrell, you spawn on the other side of the map. Wow. Just wow.
Immortiano Dranon Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 179	Posted - 2012.08.23 08:23:00 - [3] - Quote Balanced game. DUST is not one. You had people complain about too many dropships, so you went and made them unflyable. Too many tanks I hear? Ok, letGÇÖs make them very expensive. Sounds fair. But wait, thereGÇÖs more! LetGÇÖs make everything so expensive, that when a talk does show up, everybody will only afford a militia swarm launcher, so the tank driver can just laugh and steamroll everyone. Kinda like they did before, right? Quoting the forums: GÇ£I think you don't see a lot of higher tier AV weapons because of how expensive they are, and how much easier to lose the isk then you are in a high tier tank right now.GÇ¥ Btw, I'll give you a beer if you tell me you've read this sentence. You stated that a new player should be able to pick up the controller and start playing DUST. HOW THE ** IS ONE SUPPOSED TO DO THAT, WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE SPAWNING OP TANKS AND ALL YOU HAVE IS A POTATO SLINGSHOT? Reading through the forums I see that you only got 2 builds before the big release. The last build made everything prettier and fixed nothing. In this rhythm, youGÇÖll be the laughing stock when DUST gets released. YouGÇÖd think that a company like CCP that went through the monocle fiasco with EVE would have learned how to make games by now. Another quote GÇ£u would think that from 2009 the foundation and core mechanics would be the 1st they worked onGÇ¥. You would think wrong. Apparently lens flare and aurum are way more important. How do you think youGÇÖll ever make DUST a successful FPS if you canGÇÖt even get the core mechanics working AFTER SO MUCH DEVELOPMENT TIME. I wonder how you even started working on DUST. Did you try and make the models and textures first, then thought you should add flares and bloom and shortly before the first beta came out, thought it would be a good idea to do the shooting mechanics? Honestly. Look at Counter-Strike: Global Offensive. First they made sure that every bullet lands where it should every *** time. Then they started adding guns and tweaking them. Your response to the dozens of posts complaining about tanks being unbalanced? Add another tank. Who the ** approves this kind of decisions?
Immortiano Dranon Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 179	Posted - 2012.08.23 08:23:00 - [4] - Quote CCP, either you get your **** straight and make this game into the gem every gamer is dreaming of, or youGÇÖll fall on your ass so hard that no one will ever agree to support you in making any more games. You are clearly rushing DUST to its inevitable doom. Take your damn time and make it work. DonGÇÖt arrive at the release party with your underwear on your head. Seriously, stop adding features over rubble and take your time to build a strong foundation. And listen to the people who post on these godforsaken forums, they actually know how an FPS should be made. GÇ£squad spent more time relogging than playing, then ppl just gave up..GÇ¥
STB Vermaak Doe 558	Posted - 2012.08.23 08:25:00 - [5] - Quote Bye bye then, see you on other games
Axikal Fiervind Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 21	Posted - 2012.08.23 08:28:00 - [6] - Quote And yet, it plays well. Perhaps you just are terrible at the game despite your so-called "history" of gaming. Next time, learn how to play.
dust badger BetaMax. 283	Posted - 2012.08.23 08:30:00 - [7] - Quote maybe hes shooting his own team thats why he sees the shield effect and the health bar go down, because i have no problem now. And Btw when people start the post boasting how much experience they have with games, betas and programming i just regard what follows as pure BS
Antonius Dacinci Bragian Order Amarr Empire 65	Posted - 2012.08.23 08:31:00 - [8] - Quote TL:DR lawl troll
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.08.23 08:31:00 - [9] - Quote It plays ok. There's still no feeling of "soul" and it's still pub par even compared to sub par games. It's improving though. Until it's as good as crappy games like say cell factor ; psycokinetic wars, we can fully expect post like this and they are valid. Especially from someone who played in the fanfest tournament.
Fivetimes Infinity Immobile Infantry 1086	Posted - 2012.08.23 08:36:00 - [10] - Quote Nice childish rant you have there, Dr. Video Games. Please tell us more about how qualified you are to write immature nonsense.

STB Vermaak Doe 558	Posted - 2012.08.23 08:39:00 - [11] - Quote Fivetimes Infinity wrote: Nice childish rant you have there, Dr. Video Games. Please tell us more about how qualified you are to write immature nonsense. The truth^
Relyt R Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 56	Posted - 2012.08.23 08:39:00 - [12] - Quote When it isn't bugging out it plays pretty solidly. Lag and hit detection problems are getting rarer, and honestly i've never had a problem with hit detection on someone who's standing still since 2 builds ago. Tanks are far, far from OP. Simply sticking AV grenades and nanohives on a fit works wonders against most tanks these days, and tougher tanks are, well, tougher, but much more expensive. Also, how do you know nobody could see you between those hills? Obviously the tank could see you, jussayin.
fenrir storm Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 314	Posted - 2012.08.23 08:39:00 - [13] - Quote Some valid points Immortiano now prepare for the fan boys to shoot you down in flames and for the usual intelegent responses like the one above as in bye bye
Axikal Fiervind Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 21	Posted - 2012.08.23 08:52:00 - [14] - Quote fenrir storm wrote: Some valid points Immortiano now prepare for the fan boys to shoot you down in flames and for the usual intelegent responses like the one above Pretty sure all of our responses were quite intelligent. If you're actually playing Dust right now, you'll notice a LOT of the issues being raised have been dealt with already. Or are being dealt with. Just because we don't blindly agree with a bunch of whinging and blatant chest-thumping doesn't make us fanboys. We know there's problems, but there are mature ways to discuss them. OP was not. /story
JoshuaEvil666 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 33	Posted - 2012.08.23 08:53:00 - [15] - Quote haha i gave you likes for *** and giggles, i give everyone likes :) anyway it is a bit sad i remember watching videos in 2002/2003 of the origional eve team as they made eve, the way they talked about everything with so much drive and care. yeah im a bit upset at the current status of the build and with the time they have had, it seems like they just started working on it a year ago or less. :( the lack of communication is also a bad thing, i keep thinking every week if this or that is going to be fixed and i am dissapointed every time. i understand this is a beta but man it sure does feel like release is close to a year away. my only hope is CCP is testing something we dont know about and its staying broken for a reason and shortly we may have a perfect working build... also ** this 24% THC private reserve "The Church" if friggan good i drooled on myself whilst writing this, i also forgot my point to this post
Flux Raeder WarRavens 83	Posted - 2012.08.23 08:53:00 - [16] - Quote You're just doing it wrong.
Song Soulfire Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 44	Posted - 2012.08.23 08:57:00 - [17] - Quote Hit detection is still being computed by 1 million monkeys. troll response : hurr L2play ubad I like DUST, I like EVE, I can't wait for DUST to go live so my toon has some permanence. but i'd also like to see some of the (HUGE) bugs sorted... getting booted from matches sucks ... but it really blows while SP gains are so low and fitting costs so high. I can live with them being that way... but getting booted randomly from a match is getting old.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.23 09:05:00 - [18] - Quote I was going to read this, then I realized it's a ***** -FOUR POST WALL OF TEXT-. If you're so "qualified" to give feedback on a game, why don't you even know the proper format with which to do so? Surely someone like you has some** experience with writing an essay, no? Edit: Not really a wall of text, I just don't have the attention span to read that much QQ'ing, cheers!
Maxious30 Dragon Knights of EvE 12	Posted - 2012.08.23 09:09:00 - [19] - Quote Immortiano Dranon wrote: Balanced game. DUST is not one. You had people complain about too many dropships, so you went and made them unflyable. Too many tanks I hear? Ok, letGÇÖs make them very expensive. Sounds fair. But wait, thereGÇÖs more! LetGÇÖs make everything so expensive, that when a talk does show up, everybody will only afford a militia swarm launcher, so the tank driver can just laugh and steamroll everyone. Kinda like they did before, right? Quoting the forums: GÇ£I think you don't see a lot of higher tier AV weapons because of how expensive they are, and how much easier to lose the isk then you are in a high tier tank right now.GÇ¥ Btw, I'll give you a beer if you tell me you've read this sentence. You stated that a new player should be able to pick up the controller and start playing DUST. HOW THE ** IS ONE SUPPOSED TO DO THAT, WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE SPAWNING OP TANKS AND ALL YOU HAVE IS A POTATO SLINGSHOT? Reading through the forums I see that you only got 2 builds before the big release. The last build made everything prettier and fixed nothing. In this rhythm, youGÇÖll be the laughing stock when DUST gets released. YouGÇÖd think that a company like CCP that went through the monocle fiasco with EVE would have learned how to make games by now. Another quote GÇ£u would think that from 2009 the foundation and core mechanics would be the 1st they worked onGÇ¥. You would think wrong. Apparently lens flare and aurum are way more important. How do you think youGÇÖll ever make DUST a successful FPS if you canGÇÖt even get the core mechanics working AFTER SO MUCH DEVELOPMENT TIME. I wonder how you even started working on DUST. Did you try and make the models and textures first, then thought you should add flares and bloom and shortly before the first beta came out, thought it would be a good idea to do the shooting mechanics? Honestly. Look at Counter-Strike: Global Offensive. First they made sure that every bullet lands where it should every *** time. Then they started adding guns and tweaking them. Your response to the dozens of posts complaining about tanks being unbalanced? Add another tank. Who the ** approves this kind of decisions? I read that sentence.
Seran Jinkar Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 214	Posted - 2012.08.23 09:12:00 - [20] - Quote fenrir storm wrote: Some valid points Immortiano now prepare for the fan boys to shoot you down in flames and for the usual intelegent responses like the one above I guess "intelegent" is just the right word ^^

Maxious30 Dragon Knights of EvE 12	Posted - 2012.08.23 09:23:00 - [21] - Quote Ok I can see and understand how your upset. You do have a valid point for a lot of those comments. Constant relogging, map bugs, respawn messed up, shot detections, giving us op tanks, taking them away and then making everything expensive... oh and the free beer. I think I covered everything there in just 2 lines. Yep I did read everything you said but that's because I wanted something to do whilst waiting for my dust game to crash and reload. But this is still beta and I'm half expecting nothing to be working perfect Untill the final launch. If anything goes wrong in beta I'll let the Devs know and advise how it can be improved. It's part of the terms and conditions of playing the beta before release. Let em know of the problems and hope they can fix it. If it comes to the main launch and it's still bland with all the bugs problems, unbalanced respawns and such then we will have justification to complain big time

CCP Frame C C P C C P Alliance 470	Posted - 2012.08.23 09:29:00 - [22] - Quote Thank you for your feedback, but please everyone, read forum rules again: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=18206 We appreciate every constructive post on our forums, and are aware of bugs/issues that beta has at the moment and that is why we are testing these things with you guys and make them better with every build! We are glad that you are participating in our beta test and will do our best to improve on everything over time. Thank you!

EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.08.23 12:27:00 - [23] - Quote Has to be a troll I doubt he has won anything in his life let alone the fanfest tourny and professional TF2 lol no, so far i just think he is full of **** Also beta, work in progress is says in blue up at the top of the screen, i think the only beta he has been in is the beta demo for BF3 so i doubt hes a programmer and worked anywhere unless hes worked for zipper then i can understand why he seems to ride short bus Has to be a troll
Maxious30 Dragon Knights of EvE 12	Posted - 2012.08.23 13:00:00 - [24] - Quote Err I think this needs to be moved to bugs and Tec support. When I saw this thread this morning it was locked indefenant.
Nstomper Th3-ReSiStAnCe-SEC.0 205	Posted - 2012.08.23 13:24:00 - [25] - Quote LMAO RAGE RAGe RAGE RAGE BRO --------->>>>>! These the door btw lol do you think anyone is gonna acttually read all that?
Dzark Kill Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 115	Posted - 2012.08.23 13:33:00 - [26] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: Thank you for your feedback, but please everyone, read forum rules again: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=18206 We appreciate every constructive post on our forums, and are aware of bugs/issues that beta has at the moment and that is why we are testing these things with you guys and make them better with every build! We are glad that you are participating in our beta test and will do our best to improve on everything over time. Thank you! Its nice to see some feed back but please could you limit the feed back to the posts that deserve it. Im playing beta theres bug shock horror* b*tch and moan about stuff thats been said in a constuctive manner already never going to play again. The above style posts should just be ignored or better still deleted. The game can do with out people like this. The OP will never be happy until you give him unlimited HP and enough damage to 1 shot kill everyone on the map without having to aim at them. that way his ePeen can be proven with a high K/D ratio. In fact i'd go as far as banning these people from Beta as they dont seem to have any idea what its all about. @OP if you want a bug free game go and pick up a full release but good luck finding one bug free they're few and far between even years after release. Games companies really need to go back to the old skool before patching was wide spread where games had to be released bug free. But even then there were many many bugs in beta cos hey thats what a beta is for. If you really were so experienced in programming youd know how difficult it is to nail down a bug especially the types that cause client disconnects and hardware freezes you need 100's or 1000's of occurances before pattens can be seen in the diag's.
Altessan Vigarde Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 84	Posted - 2012.08.23 13:39:00 - [27] - Quote OP has valid points but is also an kitten who owes everyone beers. Minimap needs objectives on it, good point but a small fix. Hit detection, at least for me, has improved greatly these last few days. His best point is with the spotting system. Basically everyone knows where everyone else is right now, regardless of whether anyone can see them, so snipers and turret, and tank operators have a huge advantage. The signatures should be greatly, greatly reduced come release. As for the money system, it has been said again and again that money will be more prevalent. Right now we're all basically broke because there are only generic contracts. So wait for release to judge all the prices because they aren't supposed to work now. And as for the spawn system, yeah, it's bad but I've seen far worse in AAA shooters. Don't even get me started on COD FFA spawning.
Khun-Al 135	Posted - 2012.08.23 13:58:00 - [28] - Quote Okay sometimes the hit detection sucks especially with sniper rifles but that are rarities. To your point with the minimap: tanks have better sensor systems here so they have a better range.
Regis Mark V 91	Posted - 2012.08.23 16:45:00 - [29] - Quote I completely agree with the OP +1,000,000,000,000,000,000 No way should a game be in dev for 3+ years and look like an be a alpha in beta clothing! With supposed ex-DICE on the games shooter side. Horrible micro transaction model that screams P2W. Planetside 2 is a beta in alpha clothing! Sony if youre smart you'll either let the devs for planetside 2 make MAG 2 or down grade ps2 for a console port!
fenrir storm Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 314	Posted - 2012.08.23 16:51:00 - [30] - Quote Dzark Kill wrote: CCP Frame wrote: Thank you for your feedback, but please everyone, read forum rules again: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=18206 We appreciate every constructive post on our forums, and are aware of bugs/issues that beta has at the moment and that is why we are testing these things with you guys and make them better with every build! We are glad that you are participating in our beta test and will do our best to improve on everything over time. Thank you! Its nice to see some feed back but please could you limit the feed back to the posts that deserve it. Im playing beta theres bug shock horror* b*tch and moan about stuff thats been said in a constuctive manner already never going to play again. The above style posts should just be ignored or better still deleted. The game can do with out people like this. The OP will never be happy until you give him unlimited HP and enough damage to 1 shot kill everyone on the map without having to aim at them. that way his ePeen can be proven with a high K/D ratio. In fact i'd go as far as banning these people from Beta as they dont seem to have any idea what its all about. @OP if you want a bug free game go and pick up a full release but good luck finding one bug free they're few and far between even years after release. Games companies really need to go back to the old skool before patching was wide spread where games had to be released bug free. But even then there were many many bugs in beta cos hey thats what a beta is for. If you really were so experienced in programming youd know how difficult it is to nail down a bug especially the types that cause client disconnects and hardware freezes you need 100's or 1000's of occurances before pattens can be seen in the diag's. The op has stated his opinion and feed back be it negative it is still valid would you rather all sing the praise of a great game and let it be released as is or would you rather have all feed back positive and negative to make a sub standard build into a working good game ?



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