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Sparten 269
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:06:00 -
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I think ccp should add a weapon of this variety to the game for people interested in being a more tankish guy.
If possible even allow people to fire small arms from behind them at a cost of mobility and accuracy.
Now I know there will be people who are going to say this would be OP and such but this is why I made this topic, to get the opinion of the players, and to see what they might have to say to make a weapon like this balanced in this game.
Throw out your opinions and or ideas guys |
STB Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:07:00 -
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Heavy weapon possibly? |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:10:00 -
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they so need to add dual weilding for appriprotate arms. a scrambler pistol would work with an amarrian tower shield.
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Benjamin Hellios
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:11:00 -
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Don't really see the point since you have hi tech force shields and things like shield extenders and armor plates. |
Sparten 269
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:12:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Heavy weapon possibly?
Yes it does seem like an excellent weapon for the heavy dropsuit. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:13:00 -
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Benjamin Hellios wrote:Don't really see the point since you have hi tech force shields and things like shield extenders and armor plates.
This thick plate would have its own shield generator and armor layer making it as tough as the user, cept it only works for the shield itself. |
theschizogenious
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:13:00 -
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yeah the powershields you have surrounding you is completely useless |
The Warbot
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:14:00 -
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Heavy's with riot shields... I could see that. Especially for those who can't kill anyone. Have the shield on the left arm, repair, revive, shoot with the other. |
Sparten 269
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:14:00 -
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Benjamin Hellios wrote:Don't really see the point since you have hi tech force shields and things like shield extenders and armor plates.
It is essentially a weapon that block incoming fire in a certain direction but leaves you vulnerable in certain areas when using it, makes you a great distraction to. |
FatalFlaw V1
ISK Faucet Industries
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:17:00 -
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Sparten 269 wrote:Throw out your opinions and or ideas guys Terrible.
Shields are a joke in every game that has implemented them, all the way back to counter-strike 1.6
If you want to be "tankish" then use heavy. What I think you want here is a way to absorb infinite damage and be a major annoyance to enemies, and to some extent teammates when you have no damage output potential.
It would be a serious mistake to put a shield in this game. Heavy armor and a logi friend are all you need. |
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Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:20:00 -
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Sparten 269 wrote:Benjamin Hellios wrote:Don't really see the point since you have hi tech force shields and things like shield extenders and armor plates. It is essentially a weapon that block incoming fire in a certain direction but leaves you vulnerable in certain areas when using it, makes you a great distraction to.
I say amarrian would have the best coverage but worst vision and return firing.
Minmatar would have the smallest shield but best visual and return ifre.
Gallente has best return fire and medicore coverage.
Caldari have best vision medciore coverage and okay return fire.
Heavy weapon only. Stops bullets long as tis own shields is up any bullets that penetrate after its shileds are brought down do half damage to user if it hits. |
Sparten 269
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:23:00 -
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FatalFlaw V1 wrote:Sparten 269 wrote:Throw out your opinions and or ideas guys Terrible. Shields are a joke in every game that has implemented them, all the way back to counter-strike 1.6 If you want to be "tankish" then use heavy. What I think you want here is a way to absorb infinite damage and be a major annoyance to enemies, and to some extent teammates when you have no damage output potential. It would be a serious mistake to put a shield in this game. Heavy armor and a logi friend are all you need.
My response to this is that ccp needs to make it a balanced weapon, make it destroyable or something. |
Sparten 269
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:39:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:they so need to add dual weilding for appriprotate arms. a scrambler pistol would work with an amarrian tower shield.
Possibly disable aiming down sights and reduce accuracy, aswell as a longer reload time. |
Icy Tiger
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:44:00 -
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Only able to use Sidearm weapon with it. |
Drake Gro'Dar
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:46:00 -
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Not a fan of the idea of a shield but if they did want a shield in the game I'd suggest a heavy equipment or shield slot only on heavies and only for shields. You equip it and can walk with it but not shoot. So you are just a damage absorber for a team taking a room or whatever but you can also deploy the shield, by sticking it in the ground for people to hide behind. I'd make them destructible so people don't block doorways or make spots impossible to get to. |
KryptixX
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:50:00 -
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STB Vermaak Doe wrote:Heavy weapon possibly?
Heavies already have enough armor
I'd rather have it while running around in the logi suit
like a logistics shield, takes a light slot and allows use of equipment in the other hand |
Sparten 269
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:55:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
I say amarrian would have the best coverage but worst vision and return firing.
Minmatar would have the smallest shield but best visual and return ifre.
Gallente has best return fire and medicore coverage.
Caldari have best vision medciore coverage and okay return fire.
Heavy weapon only. Stops bullets long as tis own shields is up any bullets that penetrate after its shileds are brought down do half damage to user if it hits.
Genius! |
FatalFlaw V1
ISK Faucet Industries
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:58:00 -
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Id much rather have a sword.. seriously.
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Sparten 269
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.23 02:00:00 -
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FatalFlaw V1 wrote:Id much rather have a sword.. seriously.
Wouldn't mind a more powerful melee weapon.. |
Kira Lannister
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2012.08.23 02:16:00 -
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Sparten 269 wrote:I think ccp should add a weapon of this variety to the game for people interested in being a more tankish guy. If possible even allow people to fire small arms from behind them at a cost of mobility and accuracy. Now I know there will be people who are going to say this would be OP and such but this is why I made this topic, to get the opinion of the players, and to see what they might have to say to make a weapon like this balanced in this game. Throw out your opinions and or ideas guys
It's ok we all get bad ideas sometimes. :]
I've had my share. |
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Sparten 269
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.23 02:21:00 -
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Kira Lannister wrote:
It's ok we all get bad ideas sometimes. :]
I've had my share.
Its only bad if ccp makes it bad, please contribute a way to make this a better weapon guys. |
dust badger
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.08.23 07:12:00 -
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TBH this is why we have heavy suits, they can have a ton of armour and move slowly |
Encharrion
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.08.23 07:26:00 -
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How about it takes the heavy weapon slot, has its own shields and armor, and reduced movement speed. When it's armor is depleted, you start taking damage through it, but it isn't destroyed, and can regen shields. Possibility of firing your sidearm with greatly reduced accuracy.
I suppose it might work, but I'm not too sure its a good idea. |
Jack McReady
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Posted - 2012.08.23 07:29:00 -
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or you just fit more shield extenders & armor plates and have a weapon you can use properly |
Jarre Jardox
Cool Story But It Needs More EVE
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Posted - 2012.08.23 08:27:00 -
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I think the idea of a giant shield has potential but not as a storm shield like swat teams use. Now some sort of equipment shield emitter that u can drop on the ground like an uplink or hive might be a cool idea. It wouldn't work while ur holding it but u drop it on the ground and a couple seconds later ba'zing u got a tactical sheild barrier (thts a nice name too and I could get used to calling them tsbs) and of course u would be able to shoot through them but enemies couldnt and maybe the HP of a heavy suit but strictly sheilds no armor. Thoughts? |
Martin0 Brancaleone
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.08.23 08:29:00 -
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Sparten 269 wrote:I think ccp should add a weapon of this variety to the game for people interested in being a more tankish guy.
We have it. It's called heavy dropsuit. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2012.08.23 08:56:00 -
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Sparten 269 wrote:FatalFlaw V1 wrote:Id much rather have a sword.. seriously.
Wouldn't mind a more powerful melee weapon.. Level up your Knife Handling skill. Gives a 50% damage increase.
Stack stimulants on top of that, and you can tear people apart when you're in close (assuming the game lets you hit them - which is a lot easier than the last build). |
Altman Stormsinger
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.08.23 13:52:00 -
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I'd like to see a deployable shield generator. maybe a logi item and its armor would always be decreasing so a logi would have to stay behind and and maintain it. |
4447
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.08.23 13:55:00 -
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Benjamin Hellios wrote:Don't really see the point since you have hi tech force shields and things like shield extenders and armor plates.
more armor is better armor. |
Sparten 269
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.23 15:38:00 -
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Martin0 Brancaleone wrote:Sparten 269 wrote:I think ccp should add a weapon of this variety to the game for people interested in being a more tankish guy.
We have it. It's called heavy dropsuit.
That's not a weapon. |
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Sparten 269
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.23 18:14:00 -
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Encharrion wrote:How about it takes the heavy weapon slot, has its own shields and armor, and reduced movement speed. When it's armor is depleted, you start taking damage through it, but it isn't destroyed, and can regen shields. Possibility of firing your sidearm with greatly reduced accuracy.
I suppose it might work, but I'm not too sure its a good idea.
Possibly a good idea. |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.08.23 18:33:00 -
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Scouts can already run circles around Heavies. I really don't see much of a use for it. |
Evane Sa'edi
Celtic Anarchy
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Posted - 2012.08.23 18:41:00 -
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Could you hit people with the shield? Use it as a contact tazer? fry the electonics and disable the siut for 5-10 secs? |
Super Cargo
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.23 18:44:00 -
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Sparten 269 wrote:I think ccp should add a weapon of this variety to the game for people interested in being a more tankish guy. If possible even allow people to fire small arms from behind them at a cost of mobility and accuracy. Now I know there will be people who are going to say this would be OP and such but this is why I made this topic, to get the opinion of the players, and to see what they might have to say to make a weapon like this balanced in this game. Throw out your opinions and or ideas guys
I don't like the idea. Are riot shields ever used in combat? No. Would they even be effective versus weaponry of the EVE universe? No. It makes no sense.
From a gameplay standpoint, it just adds a frustrating mechanic to fight against. |
FatalFlaw V1
ISK Faucet Industries
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Posted - 2012.08.23 20:06:00 -
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Jarre Jardox wrote:I think the idea of a giant shield has potential but not as a storm shield like swat teams use. Now some sort of equipment shield emitter that u can drop on the ground like an uplink or hive might be a cool idea. It wouldn't work while ur holding it but u drop it on the ground and a couple seconds later ba'zing u got a tactical sheild barrier (thts a nice name too and I could get used to calling them tsbs) and of course u would be able to shoot through them but enemies couldnt and maybe the HP of a heavy suit but strictly sheilds no armor. Thoughts? Wow this idea just keeps getting worse and worse..
Instead of dolphin diving, we have everyone throwing out their one-way barriers every time they see someone..
Inside of a tank is the only place you can shoot from without being directly shot back at. That's how it needs to stay honestly. |
Sparten 269
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.23 20:26:00 -
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Super Cargo wrote:
I don't like the idea. Are riot shields ever used in combat? No.
LOL, obviously you have never seen any counter terrorist forces, such as GIGN, SAS, GSG-9, aswell as police forces, Special weapons and tactics (SWAT) use them all the time, so surely with the technology EVE has to offer they can make a plasma resistant shield, like the armor for our dropsuits. |
Rhino 9407
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.08.23 20:35:00 -
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Meh, I would rather not lose my weapon and still be a walking tank, rather than give up my weapon for some extra armor.
This would be a very specific weapon/equipment that you would have to specifically level towards, and not even have a weapon after all that work, I just don't see the balance in tradeoff. What good is a heavy weapons specialist that only has use of a shield and a pistol? very handy in specific situations, such as taking a room or a post, but in the long run he will never be useful on the actual battle field. |
Max Tyrrell
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.08.23 20:39:00 -
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Need a chunky compatible lance like the Predator not some dinky knife. Also would be cool to have a similar ability to B3 but instead you have to hold fire to charge the weapon. When you are behind someone static, you wip out your lance and hold the fire button and then an animation where you are thrusting the lance in them and holding them aloft in the air like a flag, before using a leg to push the corpse off the lance like meat off a kebab. |
Sparten 269
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.23 20:45:00 -
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Rhino 9407 wrote:Meh, I would rather not lose my weapon and still be a walking tank, rather than give up my weapon for some extra armor.
This would be a very specific weapon/equipment that you would have to specifically level towards, and not even have a weapon after all that work, I just don't see the balance in tradeoff. What good is a heavy weapons specialist that only has use of a shield and a pistol? very handy in specific situations, such as taking a room or a post, but in the long run he will never be useful on the actual battle field.
It would be an excellent choice for indoor combat and and narrow areas. |
Sparten 269
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.23 20:45:00 -
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Max Tyrrell wrote:Need a chunky compatible lance like the Predator not some dinky knife. Also would be cool to have a similar ability to B3 but instead you have to hold fire to charge the weapon. When you are behind someone static, you wip out your lance and hold the fire button and then an animation where you are thrusting the lance in them and holding them aloft in the air like a flag, before using a leg to push the corpse off the lance like meat off a kebab.
That sound epicly brutal. |
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FatalFlaw V1
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Posted - 2012.08.23 20:58:00 -
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Sparten 269 wrote:It would be an excellent choice for indoor combat and and narrow areas. Or completely broken in hallways, or when someone backs into a corner with the shield and can't be hit except for throwing a grenade behind them.
Please tell me what you want this shield to accomplish that heavy armor does not.
You agree it needs to be able to be destroyed so that makes it potentially worse than heavy armor because heavy armor can be repaired.
It will use up a weapon slot if it is a shield you carry, and an equipment slot if it is deployable. Heavy wins again.
It will have to encumber you if it allows for use while mobile, because people already complain about scouts, I can only imagine the tears a shield would produce. They would have to be encumbered by it for balance so once again, no point over heavy.
Even the games where shields have been used, every "class" has the same amount of damage absorption. This game has the heavy already to fill that role, so with all of the balance factors and the existence of the heavy class, please tell me what you expect this shield to do, that is not imbalancing or cheap/annoying, that the heavy suit does not already accomplish. |
Evane Sa'edi
Celtic Anarchy
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Posted - 2012.08.23 21:04:00 -
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People do not want to live with the shame of being kill by shield, being battered to death. |
Sparten 269
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.23 21:08:00 -
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FatalFlaw V1 wrote:Sparten 269 wrote:It would be an excellent choice for indoor combat and and narrow areas. Or completely broken in hallways, or when someone backs into a corner with the shield and can't be hit except for throwing a grenade behind them. Please tell me what you want this shield to accomplish that heavy armor does not. You agree it needs to be able to be destroyed so that makes it potentially worse than heavy armor because heavy armor can be repaired. It will use up a weapon slot if it is a shield you carry, and an equipment slot if it is deployable. Heavy wins again. It will have to encumber you if it allows for use while mobile, because people already complain about scouts, I can only imagine the tears a shield would produce. They would have to be encumbered by it for balance so once again, no point over heavy. Even the games where shields have been used, every "class" has the same amount of damage absorption. This game has the heavy already to fill that role, so with all of the balance factors and the existence of the heavy class, please tell me what you expect this shield to do, that is not imbalancing or cheap/annoying, that the heavy suit does not already accomplish.
Well for 1 the shield wont be paper thin so it can absorb a decent amount of damage, think of it as your shell.
2 it will only be a slight decrease in movement, you wont be a stationary rock, and the key to defeating a shield would be to get behind the user, so the scout does have the edge but he would be one of the few able to such.
3 it makes the heavy more counter infantry and capable of moving freely out of cover without being lit up. |
Sparten 269
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.23 21:09:00 -
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Evane Sa'edi wrote:People do not want to live with the shame of being kill by shield, being battered to death.
What fool would run into a slow moving heavy using a shield.. and not be able to escape? |
Super Cargo
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
428
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Posted - 2012.08.23 21:12:00 -
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Sparten 269 wrote:Super Cargo wrote:
I don't like the idea. Are riot shields ever used in combat? No.
LOL, obviously you have never seen any counter terrorist forces, such as GIGN, SAS, GSG-9, aswell as police forces, Special weapons and tactics (SWAT) use them all the time, so surely with the technology EVE has to offer they can make a plasma resistant shield, like the armor for our dropsuits.
I'm sure the #1 tool used for clearing houses in Afghanistan is the riot shield. Riot shields are for entering buildings in circumstances where killing isn't the objective. I don't think DUST qualifies. |
Sparten 269
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.23 21:17:00 -
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Super Cargo wrote:Sparten 269 wrote:Super Cargo wrote:
I don't like the idea. Are riot shields ever used in combat? No.
LOL, obviously you have never seen any counter terrorist forces, such as GIGN, SAS, GSG-9, aswell as police forces, Special weapons and tactics (SWAT) use them all the time, so surely with the technology EVE has to offer they can make a plasma resistant shield, like the armor for our dropsuits. I'm sure the #1 tool used for clearing houses in Afghanistan is the riot shield. Riot shields are for entering buildings in circumstances where killing isn't the objective. I don't think DUST qualifies.
Perhaps but we are talking about a more advanced shield, with the capability of firing a weapon behind it. |
Super Cargo
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
428
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Posted - 2012.08.23 21:24:00 -
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Sparten 269 wrote:
Perhaps but we are talking about a more advanced shield, with the capability of firing a weapon behind it.
IMO, the only way that would work is if the user walked really slow and could only use smgs or pistols with it deployed. It could be used as a good tanking mechanic when clearing out buildings.
Still, I think grenades are the best way to clear out a room. |
Sparten 269
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.23 21:29:00 -
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Super Cargo wrote:Sparten 269 wrote:
Perhaps but we are talking about a more advanced shield, with the capability of firing a weapon behind it.
IMO, the only way that would work is if the user walked really slow and could only use smgs or pistols with it deployed. It could be used as a good tanking mechanic when clearing out buildings. Still, I think grenades are the best way to clear out a room.
Well the user can sprint but at the cost of less coverage, and it will allow heavys to push down an area as long as they have cover. |
Sparten 269
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.20 01:46:00 -
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Dead thread is dead. |
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