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Sparten 269
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.23 18:14:00 -
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Encharrion wrote:How about it takes the heavy weapon slot, has its own shields and armor, and reduced movement speed. When it's armor is depleted, you start taking damage through it, but it isn't destroyed, and can regen shields. Possibility of firing your sidearm with greatly reduced accuracy.
I suppose it might work, but I'm not too sure its a good idea.
Possibly a good idea. |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
397
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Posted - 2012.08.23 18:33:00 -
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Scouts can already run circles around Heavies. I really don't see much of a use for it. |
Evane Sa'edi
Celtic Anarchy
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Posted - 2012.08.23 18:41:00 -
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Could you hit people with the shield? Use it as a contact tazer? fry the electonics and disable the siut for 5-10 secs? |
Super Cargo
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
428
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Posted - 2012.08.23 18:44:00 -
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Sparten 269 wrote:I think ccp should add a weapon of this variety to the game for people interested in being a more tankish guy. If possible even allow people to fire small arms from behind them at a cost of mobility and accuracy. Now I know there will be people who are going to say this would be OP and such but this is why I made this topic, to get the opinion of the players, and to see what they might have to say to make a weapon like this balanced in this game. Throw out your opinions and or ideas guys
I don't like the idea. Are riot shields ever used in combat? No. Would they even be effective versus weaponry of the EVE universe? No. It makes no sense.
From a gameplay standpoint, it just adds a frustrating mechanic to fight against. |
FatalFlaw V1
ISK Faucet Industries
76
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Posted - 2012.08.23 20:06:00 -
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Jarre Jardox wrote:I think the idea of a giant shield has potential but not as a storm shield like swat teams use. Now some sort of equipment shield emitter that u can drop on the ground like an uplink or hive might be a cool idea. It wouldn't work while ur holding it but u drop it on the ground and a couple seconds later ba'zing u got a tactical sheild barrier (thts a nice name too and I could get used to calling them tsbs) and of course u would be able to shoot through them but enemies couldnt and maybe the HP of a heavy suit but strictly sheilds no armor. Thoughts? Wow this idea just keeps getting worse and worse..
Instead of dolphin diving, we have everyone throwing out their one-way barriers every time they see someone..
Inside of a tank is the only place you can shoot from without being directly shot back at. That's how it needs to stay honestly. |
Sparten 269
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.23 20:26:00 -
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Super Cargo wrote:
I don't like the idea. Are riot shields ever used in combat? No.
LOL, obviously you have never seen any counter terrorist forces, such as GIGN, SAS, GSG-9, aswell as police forces, Special weapons and tactics (SWAT) use them all the time, so surely with the technology EVE has to offer they can make a plasma resistant shield, like the armor for our dropsuits. |
Rhino 9407
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.23 20:35:00 -
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Meh, I would rather not lose my weapon and still be a walking tank, rather than give up my weapon for some extra armor.
This would be a very specific weapon/equipment that you would have to specifically level towards, and not even have a weapon after all that work, I just don't see the balance in tradeoff. What good is a heavy weapons specialist that only has use of a shield and a pistol? very handy in specific situations, such as taking a room or a post, but in the long run he will never be useful on the actual battle field. |
Max Tyrrell
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
47
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Posted - 2012.08.23 20:39:00 -
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Need a chunky compatible lance like the Predator not some dinky knife. Also would be cool to have a similar ability to B3 but instead you have to hold fire to charge the weapon. When you are behind someone static, you wip out your lance and hold the fire button and then an animation where you are thrusting the lance in them and holding them aloft in the air like a flag, before using a leg to push the corpse off the lance like meat off a kebab. |
Sparten 269
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
89
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Posted - 2012.08.23 20:45:00 -
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Rhino 9407 wrote:Meh, I would rather not lose my weapon and still be a walking tank, rather than give up my weapon for some extra armor.
This would be a very specific weapon/equipment that you would have to specifically level towards, and not even have a weapon after all that work, I just don't see the balance in tradeoff. What good is a heavy weapons specialist that only has use of a shield and a pistol? very handy in specific situations, such as taking a room or a post, but in the long run he will never be useful on the actual battle field.
It would be an excellent choice for indoor combat and and narrow areas. |
Sparten 269
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
89
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Posted - 2012.08.23 20:45:00 -
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Max Tyrrell wrote:Need a chunky compatible lance like the Predator not some dinky knife. Also would be cool to have a similar ability to B3 but instead you have to hold fire to charge the weapon. When you are behind someone static, you wip out your lance and hold the fire button and then an animation where you are thrusting the lance in them and holding them aloft in the air like a flag, before using a leg to push the corpse off the lance like meat off a kebab.
That sound epicly brutal. |
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FatalFlaw V1
ISK Faucet Industries
76
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Posted - 2012.08.23 20:58:00 -
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Sparten 269 wrote:It would be an excellent choice for indoor combat and and narrow areas. Or completely broken in hallways, or when someone backs into a corner with the shield and can't be hit except for throwing a grenade behind them.
Please tell me what you want this shield to accomplish that heavy armor does not.
You agree it needs to be able to be destroyed so that makes it potentially worse than heavy armor because heavy armor can be repaired.
It will use up a weapon slot if it is a shield you carry, and an equipment slot if it is deployable. Heavy wins again.
It will have to encumber you if it allows for use while mobile, because people already complain about scouts, I can only imagine the tears a shield would produce. They would have to be encumbered by it for balance so once again, no point over heavy.
Even the games where shields have been used, every "class" has the same amount of damage absorption. This game has the heavy already to fill that role, so with all of the balance factors and the existence of the heavy class, please tell me what you expect this shield to do, that is not imbalancing or cheap/annoying, that the heavy suit does not already accomplish. |
Evane Sa'edi
Celtic Anarchy
62
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Posted - 2012.08.23 21:04:00 -
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People do not want to live with the shame of being kill by shield, being battered to death. |
Sparten 269
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.23 21:08:00 -
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FatalFlaw V1 wrote:Sparten 269 wrote:It would be an excellent choice for indoor combat and and narrow areas. Or completely broken in hallways, or when someone backs into a corner with the shield and can't be hit except for throwing a grenade behind them. Please tell me what you want this shield to accomplish that heavy armor does not. You agree it needs to be able to be destroyed so that makes it potentially worse than heavy armor because heavy armor can be repaired. It will use up a weapon slot if it is a shield you carry, and an equipment slot if it is deployable. Heavy wins again. It will have to encumber you if it allows for use while mobile, because people already complain about scouts, I can only imagine the tears a shield would produce. They would have to be encumbered by it for balance so once again, no point over heavy. Even the games where shields have been used, every "class" has the same amount of damage absorption. This game has the heavy already to fill that role, so with all of the balance factors and the existence of the heavy class, please tell me what you expect this shield to do, that is not imbalancing or cheap/annoying, that the heavy suit does not already accomplish.
Well for 1 the shield wont be paper thin so it can absorb a decent amount of damage, think of it as your shell.
2 it will only be a slight decrease in movement, you wont be a stationary rock, and the key to defeating a shield would be to get behind the user, so the scout does have the edge but he would be one of the few able to such.
3 it makes the heavy more counter infantry and capable of moving freely out of cover without being lit up. |
Sparten 269
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
89
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Posted - 2012.08.23 21:09:00 -
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Evane Sa'edi wrote:People do not want to live with the shame of being kill by shield, being battered to death.
What fool would run into a slow moving heavy using a shield.. and not be able to escape? |
Super Cargo
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
428
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Posted - 2012.08.23 21:12:00 -
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Sparten 269 wrote:Super Cargo wrote:
I don't like the idea. Are riot shields ever used in combat? No.
LOL, obviously you have never seen any counter terrorist forces, such as GIGN, SAS, GSG-9, aswell as police forces, Special weapons and tactics (SWAT) use them all the time, so surely with the technology EVE has to offer they can make a plasma resistant shield, like the armor for our dropsuits.
I'm sure the #1 tool used for clearing houses in Afghanistan is the riot shield. Riot shields are for entering buildings in circumstances where killing isn't the objective. I don't think DUST qualifies. |
Sparten 269
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
89
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Posted - 2012.08.23 21:17:00 -
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Super Cargo wrote:Sparten 269 wrote:Super Cargo wrote:
I don't like the idea. Are riot shields ever used in combat? No.
LOL, obviously you have never seen any counter terrorist forces, such as GIGN, SAS, GSG-9, aswell as police forces, Special weapons and tactics (SWAT) use them all the time, so surely with the technology EVE has to offer they can make a plasma resistant shield, like the armor for our dropsuits. I'm sure the #1 tool used for clearing houses in Afghanistan is the riot shield. Riot shields are for entering buildings in circumstances where killing isn't the objective. I don't think DUST qualifies.
Perhaps but we are talking about a more advanced shield, with the capability of firing a weapon behind it. |
Super Cargo
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
428
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Posted - 2012.08.23 21:24:00 -
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Sparten 269 wrote:
Perhaps but we are talking about a more advanced shield, with the capability of firing a weapon behind it.
IMO, the only way that would work is if the user walked really slow and could only use smgs or pistols with it deployed. It could be used as a good tanking mechanic when clearing out buildings.
Still, I think grenades are the best way to clear out a room. |
Sparten 269
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
89
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Posted - 2012.08.23 21:29:00 -
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Super Cargo wrote:Sparten 269 wrote:
Perhaps but we are talking about a more advanced shield, with the capability of firing a weapon behind it.
IMO, the only way that would work is if the user walked really slow and could only use smgs or pistols with it deployed. It could be used as a good tanking mechanic when clearing out buildings. Still, I think grenades are the best way to clear out a room.
Well the user can sprint but at the cost of less coverage, and it will allow heavys to push down an area as long as they have cover. |
Sparten 269
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
89
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Posted - 2012.09.20 01:46:00 -
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Dead thread is dead. |
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