DUST Search - Tank rate of fire needs to be toned down & needs a deplete-able ammo supply ...

Wakko03 wrote:

843-Bob365421 EV wrote:

Wakko03 wrote:

Garrett Blacknova wrote:

As an AV player who rarely used tanks in the last build and hasn't been in one yet this build...

Nano is right. Tanks aren't OP. They're horrifically expensive, in terms of both SP and ISK requirements. Unless you want a "tank" that's made of paper and can be easily soloed by a guy with a Militia Swarm Launcher, in which case it will only be expensive in ISK, and not so much SP cost.

And my nano hives don't last nearly long enough, since I have to throw them down for the swarm launchers to even have enough ammo and after giving them ammo the nano hive disappears before I can resupply more than 1 team mate and maybe get 1 or 2 grenades for myself.

Get a good team with no milita crap. And good swarms/ forges. And you will take out a tank. Stop your complaining seriously. It takes 2 to 3 ppl to kill a good tank even though a good tank cost 6 - 8 the price of a soldier.

Everytime I do get a good team together, the GROUP goes fubar with invalid dropsuits or we get kicked out matches back to the merc quarters.

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Wakko03 Better Hide R Die 134	Posted - 2012.08.21 01:50:00 - [1] - Quote Otherwise, I am going to say that I would like to get the nano hive that the tanks get to use. I think it is only fair that the tank only have as many missles as say a comparable level swarm launcher. And be forced to use a slot for an activate-able ammo resupply, that they have to use once or twice and not just sit there spamming splash damage. Apparently the good players need a gunlogi tank to take out 12 guys in militia gear or less (the defaults) and not just a scout suit with no chance for the enemy hit detection to work. Yeah I ran all the way from A to B to C with a tank hounding me at every turn, my AV grenades didn't hit them and then I didn't have enough nano hives to resupply because once again the tank idiots are going around destroying the resupplies. Second, I want to be able to throw a grenade as fast as they can shoot missles at me and have a rough idea where it landed and where it exploded. HEY CCP, that is right I am saying that Wolfenstein with its Peer to Peer system ( the game where the whole online team was sacked upon the games release) is currently more play-able than your beta.
Debacle Nano Shadow Company HQ 639	Posted - 2012.08.21 02:04:00 - [2] - Quote Wambulance?
Wakko03 Better Hide R Die 134	Posted - 2012.08.21 02:06:00 - [3] - Quote Your the one that needs a tank with infinite ammo, and a scout suit.
Debacle Nano Shadow Company HQ 639	Posted - 2012.08.21 02:07:00 - [4] - Quote Somebody call the wambulance for me.
STB Vermaak Doe 558	Posted - 2012.08.21 02:09:00 - [5] - Quote Did you just get wrecked by tanks?
843-Bob365421 EV 27	Posted - 2012.08.21 02:11:00 - [6] - Quote I was busy tonight in my gunlogi. Went 50 an 0 through 5 games. Plus 8 presision strikes. Good old teamwork. :)
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.08.21 02:22:00 - [7] - Quote As an AV player who rarely used tanks in the last build and hasn't been in one yet this build... Nano is right. Tanks aren't OP. They're horrifically expensive, in terms of both SP and ISK requirements. Unless you want a "tank" that's made of paper and can be easily soloed by a guy with a Militia Swarm Launcher, in which case it will only be expensive in ISK, and not so much SP cost.
Wakko03 Better Hide R Die 134	Posted - 2012.08.21 02:24:00 - [8] - Quote STB Vermaak Doe wrote: Did you just get wrecked by tanks? Not wrecked, as bad as that 1 exploitable Cannon Turret on the ABC skirmish map, the one that can hit targets at A from the other side of the map, but the enemy team can't even fly to it because it happens to reside 120m behind the red line.
Debacle Nano Shadow Company HQ 639	Posted - 2012.08.21 02:27:00 - [9] - Quote I pay 400,000 ISK for 1 militia tank. How about your dropsuit?
STB Vermaak Doe 558	Posted - 2012.08.21 02:27:00 - [10] - Quote Wakko03 wrote: STB Vermaak Doe wrote: Did you just get wrecked by tanks? Not wrecked, as bad as that 1 exploitable Cannon Turret on the ABC skirmish map, the one that can hit targets at A from the other side of the map, but the enemy team can't even fly to it because it happens to reside 120m behind the red line. Wrecked is still wrecked

843-Bob365421 EV 27	Posted - 2012.08.21 02:27:00 - [11] - Quote Debacle Nano wrote: I pay 400,000 ISK for 1 militia tank. How about your dropsuit? Lucky i spend 600,000 isk. Lolon a standard thou.
Debacle Nano Shadow Company HQ 639	Posted - 2012.08.21 02:29:00 - [12] - Quote Yea I am working my waay up. I got proto blasters and proto mudules already. I don't equip them on my Soma. Too much money lol
Wakko03 Better Hide R Die 134	Posted - 2012.08.21 02:29:00 - [13] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: As an AV player who rarely used tanks in the last build and hasn't been in one yet this build... Nano is right. Tanks aren't OP. They're horrifically expensive, in terms of both SP and ISK requirements. Unless you want a "tank" that's made of paper and can be easily soloed by a guy with a Militia Swarm Launcher, in which case it will only be expensive in ISK, and not so much SP cost. And my nano hives don't last nearly long enough, since I have to throw them down for the swarm launchers to even have enough ammo and after giving them ammo the nano hive disappears before I can resupply more than 1 team mate and maybe get 1 or 2 grenades for myself.
Wakko03 Better Hide R Die 134	Posted - 2012.08.21 02:32:00 - [14] - Quote Debacle Nano wrote: I pay 400,000 ISK for 1 militia tank. How about your dropsuit? I pay about 145K for my drop suit, how about you try it with limited ammo since you seem to demand that I do that for the cost. What are you afraid to try it with limited ammo?
Sparten 269 Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 89	Posted - 2012.08.21 02:34:00 - [15] - Quote Wakko03 wrote: Debacle Nano wrote: I pay 400,000 ISK for 1 militia tank. How about your dropsuit? I pay about 145K for my drop suit, how about you try it with limited ammo since you seem to demand that I do that for the cost. What are you afraid to try it with limited ammo? U crazy?
843-Bob365421 EV 27	Posted - 2012.08.21 02:34:00 - [16] - Quote Wakko03 wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: As an AV player who rarely used tanks in the last build and hasn't been in one yet this build... Nano is right. Tanks aren't OP. They're horrifically expensive, in terms of both SP and ISK requirements. Unless you want a "tank" that's made of paper and can be easily soloed by a guy with a Militia Swarm Launcher, in which case it will only be expensive in ISK, and not so much SP cost. And my nano hives don't last nearly long enough, since I have to throw them down for the swarm launchers to even have enough ammo and after giving them ammo the nano hive disappears before I can resupply more than 1 team mate and maybe get 1 or 2 grenades for myself. Get a good team with no milita crap. And good swarms/ forges. And you will take out a tank. Stop your complaining seriously. It takes 2 to 3 ppl to kill a good tank even though a good tank cost 6 - 8 the price of a soldier.
Wakko03 Better Hide R Die 134	Posted - 2012.08.21 02:41:00 - [17] - Quote 843-Bob365421 EV wrote: Wakko03 wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: As an AV player who rarely used tanks in the last build and hasn't been in one yet this build... Nano is right. Tanks aren't OP. They're horrifically expensive, in terms of both SP and ISK requirements. Unless you want a "tank" that's made of paper and can be easily soloed by a guy with a Militia Swarm Launcher, in which case it will only be expensive in ISK, and not so much SP cost. And my nano hives don't last nearly long enough, since I have to throw them down for the swarm launchers to even have enough ammo and after giving them ammo the nano hive disappears before I can resupply more than 1 team mate and maybe get 1 or 2 grenades for myself. Get a good team with no milita crap. And good swarms/ forges. And you will take out a tank. Stop your complaining seriously. It takes 2 to 3 ppl to kill a good tank even though a good tank cost 6 - 8 the price of a soldier. Everytime I do get a good team together, the GROUP goes fubar with invalid dropsuits or we get kicked out matches back to the merc quarters.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.08.21 02:42:00 - [18] - Quote A relatively cheap tank won't require me to use all the missiles I have on my Militia Swarm Launcher fitting. And an expensive tank will cost about 1/4 of its value to kill. Get better AV people?
Debacle Nano Shadow Company HQ 639	Posted - 2012.08.21 02:42:00 - [19] - Quote Wakko03 wrote: Debacle Nano wrote: I pay 400,000 ISK for 1 militia tank. How about your dropsuit? I pay about 145K for my drop suit, how about you try it with limited ammo since you seem to demand that I do that for the cost. What are you afraid to try it with limited ammo? I doubt that your suit costs 145k. I am not afraid to do it. If they want me to buy my own ammo, sure, I'll do that. But as of now, tanks cost a lot. Ammo would make it cost more.
843-Bob365421 EV 27	Posted - 2012.08.21 02:43:00 - [20] - Quote Wakko03 wrote: 843-Bob365421 EV wrote: Wakko03 wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: As an AV player who rarely used tanks in the last build and hasn't been in one yet this build... Nano is right. Tanks aren't OP. They're horrifically expensive, in terms of both SP and ISK requirements. Unless you want a "tank" that's made of paper and can be easily soloed by a guy with a Militia Swarm Launcher, in which case it will only be expensive in ISK, and not so much SP cost. And my nano hives don't last nearly long enough, since I have to throw them down for the swarm launchers to even have enough ammo and after giving them ammo the nano hive disappears before I can resupply more than 1 team mate and maybe get 1 or 2 grenades for myself. Get a good team with no milita crap. And good swarms/ forges. And you will take out a tank. Stop your complaining seriously. It takes 2 to 3 ppl to kill a good tank even though a good tank cost 6 - 8 the price of a soldier. Everytime I do get a good team together, the GROUP goes fubar with invalid dropsuits or we get kicked out matches back to the merc quarters. Funny because my group nvr has tht problem. But when final build is out hopefully none of those will be there right. Best of luck with your tank killing.

Wakko03 Better Hide R Die 134	Posted - 2012.08.21 02:44:00 - [21] - Quote Sparten 269 wrote: Wakko03 wrote: Debacle Nano wrote: I pay 400,000 ISK for 1 militia tank. How about your dropsuit? I pay about 145K for my drop suit, how about you try it with limited ammo since you seem to demand that I do that for the cost. What are you afraid to try it with limited ammo? U crazy? 80k for the gun, 40k for the suit, 4 modules at 4k each, nano hive at 4k and 5k for grenades, you'll get there eventually.
Debacle Nano Shadow Company HQ 639	Posted - 2012.08.21 02:48:00 - [22] - Quote Wakko03 wrote: Sparten 269 wrote: Wakko03 wrote: Debacle Nano wrote: I pay 400,000 ISK for 1 militia tank. How about your dropsuit? I pay about 145K for my drop suit, how about you try it with limited ammo since you seem to demand that I do that for the cost. What are you afraid to try it with limited ammo? U crazy? 80k for the gun, 40k for the suit, 4 modules at 4k each, nano hive at 4k and 5k for grenades, you'll get there eventually. No gun costs 80k in the game, lol. Not even my main tank gun costs that. Nano hives are 1000 each and so are grenades.
843-Bob365421 EV 27	Posted - 2012.08.21 02:50:00 - [23] - Quote Debacle Nano wrote: Wakko03 wrote: Sparten 269 wrote: Wakko03 wrote: Debacle Nano wrote: I pay 400,000 ISK for 1 militia tank. How about your dropsuit? I pay about 145K for my drop suit, how about you try it with limited ammo since you seem to demand that I do that for the cost. What are you afraid to try it with limited ammo? U crazy? 80k for the gun, 40k for the suit, 4 modules at 4k each, nano hive at 4k and 5k for grenades, you'll get there eventually. No gun costs 80k in the game, lol. Not even my main tank gun costs that. Nano hives are 1000 each and so are grenades. Your dumb no? forge guns price up to 100k easy. Look things up before u go posting. I knew tht and i tank.
STB Vermaak Doe 558	Posted - 2012.08.21 02:50:00 - [24] - Quote Debacle Nano wrote: Wakko03 wrote: Sparten 269 wrote: Wakko03 wrote: Debacle Nano wrote: I pay 400,000 ISK for 1 militia tank. How about your dropsuit? I pay about 145K for my drop suit, how about you try it with limited ammo since you seem to demand that I do that for the cost. What are you afraid to try it with limited ammo? U crazy? 80k for the gun, 40k for the suit, 4 modules at 4k each, nano hive at 4k and 5k for grenades, you'll get there eventually. No gun costs 80k in the game, lol. Not even my main tank gun costs that. Nano hives are 1000 each and so are grenades. Forge guns cost more than that but if he used the this thread wouldn't exist Wait and the mass driver and hmg
Debacle Nano Shadow Company HQ 639	Posted - 2012.08.21 02:52:00 - [25] - Quote STB Vermaak Doe wrote: Forge guns cost more than that but if he used the this thread wouldn't exist Well I was assuming he was using a light weapon. lol
Debacle Nano Shadow Company HQ 639	Posted - 2012.08.21 02:55:00 - [26] - Quote 843-Bob365421 EV wrote: Your dumb no? forge guns price up to 100k easy. Look things up before u go posting. I knew tht and i tank. No need to be a jerk about it. Meant to say no light weapon.
Reefersmokintaz Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 34	Posted - 2012.08.21 02:57:00 - [27] - Quote There are Nanohives that cost 4,400 isk a piece that are lvl 1 based......
Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 902	Posted - 2012.08.21 03:03:00 - [28] - Quote Yea no. As they are now, tanks are supernerfed. Between the homing grenades, super forgeguns, and swarms that turn 90 degrees, I think you got enough toys to deal with tanks.
Gerg Hammer 20	Posted - 2012.08.21 04:55:00 - [29] - Quote As a tank driver, I can tell you in this build I have to be 10x more careful than in the last two builds. Cost. I have to play 3 excellent games using my tank getting ~20 kills each without the tank getting destroyed in order to make back the cost of one tank. That is not easy when a few people with militia swarm launchers can take it out. I am forced to play extremely defensive. Even a militia tank with a railgun is a huge threat. If they catch me in a bad position, facing the wrong direction or with no where to run, game over. I'm not likely to bring a SECOND tank after my first one gets wrecked by anti tank weapons. Right now its still to early in this build, I dont have a backup suit to get into, all militia gear except the tank. A couple of bad games where I bring down a tank and get wrecked before getting my fair share of kills means I'll be going 3-5 games just saving ISK in full militia gear before I can give it another go.
Buzzwords Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 416	Posted - 2012.08.21 05:08:00 - [30] - Quote you realize that "as many shots as an equivalent tier swarm launcher" would be 6 shots right? which makes me think you've never held a swarm launcher. which makes me think this might be your own fault. i mean i get it. tanks are pretty rare now, so not a lot of people bother with AV fits, so the tanks that do show up wreck ****, so here we are... get some AV stuff. i was pretty anti-vehicle in the last build (in both character setups and opinion) but i'm willing to let this build play out a bit before i scream for more vehicle nerfs. the dramatic price increase should have been enough, but then CCP dramatically increased the prices of all infantry stuff as well so i'm not entirely sure now. it sorta cancels out you know? edit: oh and prototype ARs land in the high 70's. so saying 80k for the gun isn't that far off the mark, it's really just rounding.



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