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Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.15 02:20:00 - [1] - Quote Than have these BS microtransactions that you are introducing. Premium voice comms? Skill boosters? BPO's? No thanks. That, along with gimped controls, are starting to turn me off to Dust. I'm very excited about what Dust will bring to the gaming world, but it's starting to look like a shiny way of sucking someone's wallet dry.
wathak 514 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 106	Posted - 2012.08.15 02:31:00 - [2] - Quote Honestly id take it u dont play eve for if u did ud relize that with the skill bosters and the payed for gear noone has a real advantage and ccp has to pay the bills somehow and there doing it in a very acceptable way
D Park 26	Posted - 2012.08.15 02:36:00 - [3] - Quote I can see a couple of options without CCP changing a thing. Buy $60 worth of Arum, play until it's gone and decide if it's worth it to keep playing without spending more or worth it to put more money into the game. Put in a little at a time to get things you think are worth while and see how long your 60$ lasts. If you get tired of the game before it's all gone you've saved a bit. It seems to me that if your money lasts 6 months you've gotten at least as much as a "for pay" title.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.15 02:47:00 - [4] - Quote The thing with F2P microtransaction models, is that you can end up paying more than $60 for a title. If you pay $0.24 for a full dropsuit loadout, and use 10 dropsuits per match on average, after 30 matches you will have spent $72. Lets say you only use 5 dropsuits per match, after 60 matches you have spent $72. Well, I have probably played between 30 and 60 matches on Dust 514, and if I were using AUR loadouts, I would have a pretty big hole in my pocket. What if you only use 2 AUR dropsuits every match, after 125 games, you have paid $60 for the title. I used to play CoD, and I can tell you, if it cost me $0.48 a game to play CoD, I would be one very poor man - or more likely, I never would've played the game. So basically, your solution of Quote: Buy $60 worth of Arum, play until it's gone and decide if it's worth it to keep playing without spending more or worth it to put more money into the game. doesn't really work out that well, if you are planning on being a long time paying player. Besides, we know the sales that games like CoD and Battlefield achieve, it's not like a $60 price tag turns off players.
Mo Gallas Gentralde Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 178	Posted - 2012.08.15 02:55:00 - [5] - Quote Premium voice coms... ... ... WTH are they supposed to be used for? Why pay ingame when I can use Skype for free? What's the benefit?
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.15 02:58:00 - [6] - Quote Mo Gallas Gentralde wrote: Premium voice coms... ... ... WTH are they supposed to be used for? Why pay ingame when I can use Skype for free? What's the benefit? Yeah, I think they shot themselves in the foot with that one. "Yeah, you can talk to your friends in EVE!" "Oh cool, than" - "GIVE US MONEY FIRST!"
D Park 26	Posted - 2012.08.15 02:59:00 - [7] - Quote Viegar, your point is well made. And the numbers seem reasonable. I disagree, though, that you _must_ spend that 50 cents per game. I know that most of the folks I play with, except for grins, can fit a fine dropsuit without any aur at all. Might you want to set up comms with your Corp? Sure. Maybe bump up your skill acquisition? Yep. But I don't know that would eat into aur at the same rate. I just don't see that you have to spend aur to have fun with the game.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.15 03:12:00 - [8] - Quote D Park wrote: Viegar, your point is well made. And the numbers seem reasonable. I disagree, though, that you _must_ spend that 50 cents per game. I know that most of the folks I play with, except for grins, can fit a fine dropsuit without any aur at all. Might you want to set up comms with your Corp? Sure. Maybe bump up your skill acquisition? Yep. But I don't know that would eat into aur at the same rate. I just don't see that you have to spend aur to have fun with the game. You don't, and I'm not saying you do. What I am saying, is that with the prices as low as they are, it's very deceptive. "Only $0.24 a dropsuit? WOW!" Maybe you wont play all of those games in a row, but over time, it will add up, and cost you more than the average big release title. I know people who are long time players in F2P games like League of Legends, who have spent upwards of $400 because of this. They think "Oh $5 for a champion? No big deal", but then they buy 6 champions over the course of 6 months, and all of a sudden they're out $30. Say they bought a couple of legendary skins in that time, and that would be another $30. Buy a couple IP boosters to make a new rune page? $10. The money isn't always paid "up front", but rather over the course of 6 months to a year. Someone who pays $20 for the merc pack, plays for a month, and leaves, wont ever notice that their funds are lower than normal. But someone who plays for a year or two might find that those few little purchases "here and there" have really cost them $100.
wathak 514 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 106	Posted - 2012.08.15 03:26:00 - [9] - Quote You know ur completely right and al of us will say that but most of us will also say so what if people want to spend money to try and get a head start then i got no proplem there paying cp bills and are funding paychecks for programmers and artist to give us new equipments maps and so forth for free and best of all the aur items arnt unbeatable like in most microtransaction games instead it just gives us players who chose to stay with militia gear a bit more challenge
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.15 03:31:00 - [10] - Quote wathak 514 wrote: You know ur completely right and al of us will say that but most of us will also say so what if people want to spend money to try and get a head start then i got no proplem there paying cp bills and are funding paychecks for programmers and artist to give us new equipments maps and so forth for free and best of all the aur items arnt unbeatable like in most microtransaction games instead it just gives us players who chose to stay with militia gear a bit more challenge The problem isn't with microtransactions, the problem is with the fact that they are in fact providing an advantage over players that are unwilling or incapable of spending money on the game. You and I know full well, that if they only offered -clothing- or -paint jobs- for Aurrum, people would still spend money! People are willing to pay to look cooler, to fulfill their "fantasies". But instead, CCP gave an advantage to paid players, and even gave them something extra (premium voice comms) which is something they blatantly said they would not do.

Waruiko DUST G I A N T 90	Posted - 2012.08.15 03:51:00 - [11] - Quote I don't like a lot of what CCP is doing with AUR I to play the devil's advocate I will point out that they have promised us a secondary market like the EVE market that is player to player selling and buying and that can have AUR items on it being sold for ISK.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.15 03:53:00 - [12] - Quote Waruiko DUST wrote: I don't like a lot of what CCP is doing with AUR I to play the devil's advocate I will point out that they have promised us a secondary market like the EVE market that is player to player selling and buying and that can have AUR items on it being sold for ISK. Yes, I know this. But the issue is that so far in Dust, nothing has been revealed that will make ISK valuable to those in possession of AUR. The only reason PLEX and AUR items get sold on the EVE market, is because ISK is more valuable to some.
Zero Harpuia Maverick Conflict Solutions 422	Posted - 2012.08.15 04:32:00 - [13] - Quote Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: Waruiko DUST wrote: I don't like a lot of what CCP is doing with AUR I to play the devil's advocate I will point out that they have promised us a secondary market like the EVE market that is player to player selling and buying and that can have AUR items on it being sold for ISK. Yes, I know this. But the issue is that so far in Dust, nothing has been revealed that will make ISK valuable to those in possession of AUR. The only reason PLEX and AUR items get sold on the EVE market, is because ISK is more valuable to some. Exactly how do they get an advantage over us for AUR? Please elaborate.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.15 04:40:00 - [14] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: Waruiko DUST wrote: I don't like a lot of what CCP is doing with AUR I to play the devil's advocate I will point out that they have promised us a secondary market like the EVE market that is player to player selling and buying and that can have AUR items on it being sold for ISK. Yes, I know this. But the issue is that so far in Dust, nothing has been revealed that will make ISK valuable to those in possession of AUR. The only reason PLEX and AUR items get sold on the EVE market, is because ISK is more valuable to some. Exactly how do they get an advantage over us for AUR? Please elaborate. BPO's and faster advancement through the game. Premium voice comms would be another good example. I don't have a very large issue with the Skill Boosters, but BPOs? come on now.
Raynor Ragna 266	Posted - 2012.08.15 04:40:00 - [15] - Quote I'd rather pay 15 dollars a month. Everyone will be on the same ground and CCP should make some nice profit. This model works (unfortauntely) With their Micotransactions model, I'd really like their original plan of side grades rather than getting prototype at advanced level skills and resources. Gameplay would be far more entertaining too.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.15 04:42:00 - [16] - Quote Raynor Ragna wrote: I'd rather pay 15 dollars a month. Everyone will be on the same ground and CCP should make some nice profit. This model works (unfortauntely) With their Micotransactions model, I'd really like their original plan of side grades rather than getting prototype at advanced level skills and resources. Gameplay would be far more entertaining too. Side grades are a little scary, as that leaves a pretty big grey area as to what "side grades" are. I don't think monthly subscription is a better or worse answer, but at this point, I'll take anything over this nickel-and-dime stuff they're trying to pull.
Zero Harpuia Maverick Conflict Solutions 422	Posted - 2012.08.15 04:46:00 - [17] - Quote Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: Zero Harpuia wrote: Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: Waruiko DUST wrote: I don't like a lot of what CCP is doing with AUR I to play the devil's advocate I will point out that they have promised us a secondary market like the EVE market that is player to player selling and buying and that can have AUR items on it being sold for ISK. Yes, I know this. But the issue is that so far in Dust, nothing has been revealed that will make ISK valuable to those in possession of AUR. The only reason PLEX and AUR items get sold on the EVE market, is because ISK is more valuable to some. Exactly how do they get an advantage over us for AUR? Please elaborate. BPO's and faster advancement through the game. Premium voice comms would be another good example. I don't have a very large issue with the Skill Boosters, but BPOs? come on now. They both chafe me, depending on how they work. The BPO won't be such a problem if they add some kind of assemble cost or materials, and the Booster won't be bad if it just helps you hit the anti-grind wall sooner. As for the comms, I really don't understand how they work, nor why people would use them over mumble/ventrillo/Skype, so no comment.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.15 05:05:00 - [18] - Quote The premium comms are a joke. Got to use them for cross game voice chat, and if your corp is spread wide across the galaxy. Sounds like BS to me.
Rhadiem Algintal Core Gallente Federation 496	Posted - 2012.08.15 09:38:00 - [19] - Quote this is a MMO, don't forget the $15/mo subscription like the others have, on top of that $60.
BestNameEva Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 86	Posted - 2012.08.15 11:00:00 - [20] - Quote **** off with the monthly payments crap, not really free then is it, im fine doing some work for my gear

Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.15 11:04:00 - [21] - Quote No need to have monthly payments, they could just charge for expansion packs. Ta da, no issue. You get a better game than CoD, with expansion packs just like CoD, and there is no more nickel and diming the player base.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.15 20:05:00 - [22] - Quote bump
Ender Storm Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 50	Posted - 2012.08.16 16:36:00 - [23] - Quote I am happy with the current model. No one has to spend a dimme if they dont want to. And franckly, hardly needed except for the ocasional bump wich certainly can stay a low investment over time.
Pavel Monfreid 29	Posted - 2012.08.16 17:32:00 - [24] - Quote Personally I don't see a reason to change things from where they are. The problem is that they have to pay the bills somehow. The nice thing about MT is that I'm not really losing any functionality by not paying. Sure I can get some AUR gear quicker than if I worked for it, but it's a CHOICE that I make. I have to work a bit harder to get the SP for ISK gear. This option works better for me by letting me play an MMO that would normally cost $120 to $180 a year just to play with a monthly subscription for free. If I bought a game for $60 and then pay $10 for additional every so often, there really is no difference in the amount you spend out of pocket. With the MT setup on DUST currently I get access to all the content for free, and I don't have to pay a dime to enjoy a game. If I CHOOSE to pay money I can, but I"m not required to. Will someone who throws $50 a month at this game be better than someone who plays for free, maybe, maybe not. It depends on the skill of the player behind the controls. The point is that both of these players can be in the same game and can get the same amount of joy out of it.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.16 18:59:00 - [25] - Quote Pavel Monfreid wrote: With the MT setup on DUST currently I get access to all the content for free, and I don't have to pay a dime to enjoy a game. If I CHOOSE to pay money I can, but I"m not required to. Actually, no, you don't. If you haven't noticed, there are now BPO dropsuits and premium voice comms. You do not get full game functionality for free.
pjster long Doomheim 28	Posted - 2012.08.16 19:07:00 - [26] - Quote wathak 514 wrote: Honestly id take it u dont play eve for if u did ud relize that with the skill bosters and the payed for gear noone has a real advantage and ccp has to pay the bills somehow and there doing it in a very acceptable way +1
Pavel Monfreid 29	Posted - 2012.08.16 20:09:00 - [27] - Quote Quote: Actually, no, you don't. If you haven't noticed, there are now BPO dropsuits and premium voice comms. You do not get full game functionality for free. Do you NEED to have BPO dropsuits to play the game? No, but it makes restocking easier. I personally haven't seen these items, but are they any better than the same ranked suits? Nevermind the fact that when the player driven market gets implemented people will be able to sell these suits for ISK. The only time I would raise a fuss is if the BPO suit is completely gamebreaking where you need to have that equipment to be able to compete in matches. Do you NEED to communicate with any player anywhere within the EVE universe to play the game? Nope. There is no tactical reason to be able to communicate with folks outside of your region. So not related to the game functionality. It is a convenience that when people want to be able to communicate across the universe they will have to pay for. Personally I'm planning on investing at least $60 in the game assuming I like it when it's released. If it's good and continues to get better I will continue to pay money to play the game because it is my choice. If I was cheap and didn't want to have to pay anything I don't have to, I just have to work a bit harder on my bottom line.
Raynor Ragna 266	Posted - 2012.08.16 21:56:00 - [28] - Quote Ender Storm wrote: I am happy with the current model. No one has to spend a dimme if they dont want to. And franckly, hardly needed except for the ocasional bump wich certainly can stay a low investment over time. Cept for the fact that some items are AUR only. like the skill boosters which really can put you in the lead. Currently AUR weapons are better than ISK items and that needs to end. I have something like 6000 AUR and I refuse to buy AUR items (minus the booster). I would probably have spent all my AUR and bought much more if they would have actual side grade weapons that are balanced or even slightly nerfed _if_ they can support one play style really well. Like a low Damage, low recoil, long distance, tactical. It would be awful anywhere inside 60-100m.
Cal Predine StarKnight Security 37	Posted - 2012.08.16 22:26:00 - [29] - Quote Raynor Ragna wrote: Currently AUR weapons are better than ISK items and that needs to end. Better is a bit of a general term for the AUR-bought equipment. It's true that they offer a higher performance item sooner than could be achieved via their ISK-bought counterparts (as they have lower skill requirements). On the other hand, once you have the skills, you appear to be better off with the ISK-bought items, as they tend to have lower fitting requirements (Power and CPU). I've never been a fan of the "free-to-play"/ Microtransaction model, but I should add that I've not yet seen anything which offends me in Dust. In fact, I expected the game to have a subscription charge, so I guess I can still pay, say, -ú8.00 per month (into AUR) if I want to, save it up, buy some more shinies with it, or not pay but keep playing at other times. That said, no-one changes their charging model to make less money - hopefully CCP are hoping for better income through scale of playerbase - attract huge numbers (because, hey - what's to lose by trying out a freebie?) then get a trickle of income from them all, multiplied by many thousands of players. That's in our interest, because they need to keep the content compelling for this to work for them. And on that front, I should add that CCP never charge for updates. Nonetheless, if I do buy AUR, I'll be keeping a close eye on my expenditure - I imagine that (as other posters have noted) it will be easy to lose track...
Raynor Ragna 266	Posted - 2012.08.17 01:05:00 - [30] - Quote It's the lower powergrid and CPU requirements that tick me off. if they were small bonuses I wouldn't mind so much but a protogun with advanced requirements is insane. The great part of Eve and this game is the struggle to fit on what you need. You need to sacrafice. With such insanely low power requirements, we will have people out there who have it all. Proto swarm launcher, SMG, Complex Shields, Full set of speed boosters, and a proto scout. That fit shouldn't work but it probably does with AUR items.



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