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Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.15 02:20:00 - [1] - Quote Than have these BS microtransactions that you are introducing. Premium voice comms? Skill boosters? BPO's? No thanks. That, along with gimped controls, are starting to turn me off to Dust. I'm very excited about what Dust will bring to the gaming world, but it's starting to look like a shiny way of sucking someone's wallet dry.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.15 02:47:00 - [2] - Quote The thing with F2P microtransaction models, is that you can end up paying more than $60 for a title. If you pay $0.24 for a full dropsuit loadout, and use 10 dropsuits per match on average, after 30 matches you will have spent $72. Lets say you only use 5 dropsuits per match, after 60 matches you have spent $72. Well, I have probably played between 30 and 60 matches on Dust 514, and if I were using AUR loadouts, I would have a pretty big hole in my pocket. What if you only use 2 AUR dropsuits every match, after 125 games, you have paid $60 for the title. I used to play CoD, and I can tell you, if it cost me $0.48 a game to play CoD, I would be one very poor man - or more likely, I never would've played the game. So basically, your solution of Quote: Buy $60 worth of Arum, play until it's gone and decide if it's worth it to keep playing without spending more or worth it to put more money into the game. doesn't really work out that well, if you are planning on being a long time paying player. Besides, we know the sales that games like CoD and Battlefield achieve, it's not like a $60 price tag turns off players.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.15 02:58:00 - [3] - Quote Mo Gallas Gentralde wrote: Premium voice coms... ... ... WTH are they supposed to be used for? Why pay ingame when I can use Skype for free? What's the benefit? Yeah, I think they shot themselves in the foot with that one. "Yeah, you can talk to your friends in EVE!" "Oh cool, than" - "GIVE US MONEY FIRST!"
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.15 03:12:00 - [4] - Quote D Park wrote: Viegar, your point is well made. And the numbers seem reasonable. I disagree, though, that you _must_ spend that 50 cents per game. I know that most of the folks I play with, except for grins, can fit a fine dropsuit without any aur at all. Might you want to set up comms with your Corp? Sure. Maybe bump up your skill acquisition? Yep. But I don't know that would eat into aur at the same rate. I just don't see that you have to spend aur to have fun with the game. You don't, and I'm not saying you do. What I am saying, is that with the prices as low as they are, it's very deceptive. "Only $0.24 a dropsuit? WOW!" Maybe you wont play all of those games in a row, but over time, it will add up, and cost you more than the average big release title. I know people who are long time players in F2P games like League of Legends, who have spent upwards of $400 because of this. They think "Oh $5 for a champion? No big deal", but then they buy 6 champions over the course of 6 months, and all of a sudden they're out $30. Say they bought a couple of legendary skins in that time, and that would be another $30. Buy a couple IP boosters to make a new rune page? $10. The money isn't always paid "up front", but rather over the course of 6 months to a year. Someone who pays $20 for the merc pack, plays for a month, and leaves, wont ever notice that their funds are lower than normal. But someone who plays for a year or two might find that those few little purchases "here and there" have really cost them $100.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.15 03:31:00 - [5] - Quote wathak 514 wrote: You know ur completely right and al of us will say that but most of us will also say so what if people want to spend money to try and get a head start then i got no proplem there paying cp bills and are funding paychecks for programmers and artist to give us new equipments maps and so forth for free and best of all the aur items arnt unbeatable like in most microtransaction games instead it just gives us players who chose to stay with militia gear a bit more challenge The problem isn't with microtransactions, the problem is with the fact that they are in fact providing an advantage over players that are unwilling or incapable of spending money on the game. You and I know full well, that if they only offered -clothing- or -paint jobs- for Aurrum, people would still spend money! People are willing to pay to look cooler, to fulfill their "fantasies". But instead, CCP gave an advantage to paid players, and even gave them something extra (premium voice comms) which is something they blatantly said they would not do.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.15 03:53:00 - [6] - Quote Waruiko DUST wrote: I don't like a lot of what CCP is doing with AUR I to play the devil's advocate I will point out that they have promised us a secondary market like the EVE market that is player to player selling and buying and that can have AUR items on it being sold for ISK. Yes, I know this. But the issue is that so far in Dust, nothing has been revealed that will make ISK valuable to those in possession of AUR. The only reason PLEX and AUR items get sold on the EVE market, is because ISK is more valuable to some.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.15 04:40:00 - [7] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: Waruiko DUST wrote: I don't like a lot of what CCP is doing with AUR I to play the devil's advocate I will point out that they have promised us a secondary market like the EVE market that is player to player selling and buying and that can have AUR items on it being sold for ISK. Yes, I know this. But the issue is that so far in Dust, nothing has been revealed that will make ISK valuable to those in possession of AUR. The only reason PLEX and AUR items get sold on the EVE market, is because ISK is more valuable to some. Exactly how do they get an advantage over us for AUR? Please elaborate. BPO's and faster advancement through the game. Premium voice comms would be another good example. I don't have a very large issue with the Skill Boosters, but BPOs? come on now.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.15 04:42:00 - [8] - Quote Raynor Ragna wrote: I'd rather pay 15 dollars a month. Everyone will be on the same ground and CCP should make some nice profit. This model works (unfortauntely) With their Micotransactions model, I'd really like their original plan of side grades rather than getting prototype at advanced level skills and resources. Gameplay would be far more entertaining too. Side grades are a little scary, as that leaves a pretty big grey area as to what "side grades" are. I don't think monthly subscription is a better or worse answer, but at this point, I'll take anything over this nickel-and-dime stuff they're trying to pull.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.15 05:05:00 - [9] - Quote The premium comms are a joke. Got to use them for cross game voice chat, and if your corp is spread wide across the galaxy. Sounds like BS to me.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.15 11:04:00 - [10] - Quote No need to have monthly payments, they could just charge for expansion packs. Ta da, no issue. You get a better game than CoD, with expansion packs just like CoD, and there is no more nickel and diming the player base.

Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.15 20:05:00 - [11] - Quote bump
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.16 18:59:00 - [12] - Quote Pavel Monfreid wrote: With the MT setup on DUST currently I get access to all the content for free, and I don't have to pay a dime to enjoy a game. If I CHOOSE to pay money I can, but I"m not required to. Actually, no, you don't. If you haven't noticed, there are now BPO dropsuits and premium voice comms. You do not get full game functionality for free.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.17 03:11:00 - [13] - Quote They really are making this a Pay 2 Experience Full Game type model. Not really P2W yet, but possibly headed there.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.17 04:07:00 - [14] - Quote Aighun wrote: Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: If you pay $0.24 for a full dropsuit loadout, and use 10 dropsuits per match on average, you should stop playing or suck it up, look in the mirror, and say, "I am the cash cow that keeps CCP in beer and caviar." Accept that about yourself, and get on with life. FTFY Because .24 USD is for a fully loaded Proto suit and if you are blowing through 10 proto suits a match it is time to re-think your spending habits. What you should realize, is that those numbers are for the sake of argument. Most people probably wont be stupid enough to go through 10 per game, but some may go through 1 or 2, and that still adds up over time and will eventually cost more than the average release. Nice editing my quote, really says a lot about you.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.17 08:33:00 - [15] - Quote Nstomper wrote: I'm not seeing what this has to do with you though? Threads like these don't make sense to me being that you aren't forced to buy the stuff No, you aren't "forced" to buy it, unless you want full functionality. Voice chat outside systems will probably be valuable in many ways. Lets say you're launching an assault on a corp that owns 2 systems, your corp is attacking 5 planets in each system, and you only have 3 people capable of providing orbital bombardment. You put them all in the first system, and will move one or two to the second system when needed. So, the time comes for the move; a Dust player now has to find cover, open the chat interface, select the right chat box, type his message, and return to battle - all the while hoping his corp mate in EVE has the right chat box open, and that no enemy notices that he is very still at the moment. Very time consuming, very inconvenient. You could just have voice comms open to your whole corp and say "I need orbital bombardment on planet X" without ever having to leave the battle. But they have made that a premium voice service now, so you have to buy it.

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