Wow another great post about the tank issue.

Im glad to see people are actually discussing stuff constructively now, rather than just throwing out cheap put downs.

I have to say you argument has swayed me somewhat back to neutral on the tanks issue. I think tanks haven't been nerfed because CCP knows something we don't. I suspect CCP has been through this issue during internal testing. In one of the fanfest video Atli said "While everyone in the studio was training sniper I was training for this badboy *gestures at marauder picture* It was fun owning everyone" the dev he was with said something like "Yes but not fun for everyone else". Thats suggests to me that the big picture yet eludes us.

"PROOF OR STFU"

Not op but when you put all your points into assault and assault guns you dont have many options but to run away when they come at you.

Yes I got an option to go heavy but with no points in it whats the use so the only option is to change the way I play to be able to compete so no thanks I'll give it a miss

You do not have the right to assume that tanks are Overpowered unless you yourself have used them. I used to think that tanks were extremely overpowered as well, a while ago. So I started skilling up a Surya, already had the best armor and shield skills, and got the best Railgun turret. Finding a good fit alone cost me a lot. I went from 15 000 000 ISK to barely above 4 000 000.

Currently, my Surya fit costs around 186 000 ISK. I can use a max of 2 per round on average.

And I can tell you from experience that AV equipment hurts. Bad. Proto Swarms are nearly impossible to get away from, Forge Guns are a bit easier, but still hurt. 3 AV soldiers can take me out if they have prototype equipment. Another thing is the horrible handling, dropship threats, remote explosives, SMGs that can take out my shields (900 hp) in seconds and lots of bullshit.


Then there are enemy tanks. I can easily take out lower tier tanks without breaking a sweat, enemy Surya's are pretty difficult but still manageabld, and Sagaris', I can only take out in a 1 v 1, without enemy Swarms and Forges. This all depends on the enemy fitting however, and I have died about 7-8 times to enemy tanks whule having taken out 15+.

Tanks are not overpowered, they are just efficient, and a teams worst nigtmare when getting redlined. That is the real problem, the fact that home spawns are open to the enemy, and a team cannot even get out of a base.


I don't know where I'm going with this, but I just want to get the point across that tanks are not overpowered.

3 AV guys can take your tank down...... 3 to 4 tanks on the battlefield at 1 time.... 12 people on 1 side... how many people does that leave to secure objectives? Do the math

It debate-ably may take 3 AV guys to take down a tank ........ but will definitely only take one advanced one to drive it away . Vehicle area denial does not always mean kill .

Not really .. he said it himself and from experiance we all have forge guns ranked up completly and it actually does take 3

Not really .. he said it himself and from experiance we all have forge guns ranked up completly and it actually does take 3]
All warriors have ishukone forges.. maxed proficiancy, maxed heavy ammo capacity, exct..... 3 guys to take down a tank is accurate.. (excluding militia)

Not accord to MY experience ... I've soloed well known tanker Sags before . And again it only takes one guy to drive off a tank. Is the tank no longer around the objective ? Then problem solved .

Ok answer me this... whats the point in having a forge gun if your gonna just (scaring them off) You dont make sh!t for ISK or SP that way.That would be a waist of my time and an estimated 6 million sp i spent on my forge gun .

then at that point why doesnt your team have any ground armor? btw, that doesnt make tanks OP.

are dropships OP because one team has air superiority?

Did i say OP? Nope never have. The tanks are just too numerous to deal with while your trying to acheive a goal of securing objectives. Thats all. We all plan on putting all our points into tanks next build like everyone else. Eventually everyone on here will be driving tanks . If you cant beat em join em. Just playing this til the next game comes out. Passing time. Need a FPS to play

Did i say OP? Nope never have. The tanks are just too numerous to deal with while your trying to acheive a goal of securing objectives. Thats all. We all plan on putting all our points into tanks next build like everyone else. Eventually everyone on here will be driving tanks . If you cant beat em join em. Just playing this til the next game comes out. Passing time. Need a FPS to play

sorry for the confusion, ive seen so much QQ bout tanks it kinda just blends together eventually. Even with a bunch of people skilling in tanks, theres still not going to be as much people using them because ewar is going to significantly change the face of ground armor and people are going to go broke if they arent actually dedicated to being a driver.

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Not only that but you still have to deal with 2 to 3 other tanks after you (scare one from the objective)

OMFG WTFBQQ A TANK OWND ME I GONNNA GO CRY AND CCPP NOT MMAKE MY GAME LIKE COD WAAAAAH

Thank you for responding to me respectfully Lurchasaurus.... Most of these guys are rude

Im glad you have yourself convinced of this. As for me I'm gonna drive a tank like you. Scaring off vehicles is a waist of time. Feel free to do it yourself. As for me it doesnt pay. I need SP and ISK to buy things to help my team. Tanks are the future for me

The next build is next week none of this will matter then

The next build is next week none of this will matter then

I so hope you're right, I really do.
As a pessimist I'm hoping to be presently surprised.

Once again, everyone talks about killing tanks being easy/hard. Is it hard to get kills in a gunnloggi? Fairly. Certainly takes some skill to get a big score. Marauders however... I don't think I've had less than 3 kills before losing mine. Even driving into crowds. If EWAR screws marauders, who the hell would even touch a low level HAV? Tanks are broken because of the gap between Gunloggi and Sagaris.

When's the last time you heard anyone say "we need AV guys! They have a gunnloggi!" Never. Marauders are instant death if they have good aim, 2-4 seconds if not.

The real problem is balancing tanks with tanks. A 1.5 damage mod will always screw that... Pretty obvious really... Problem is people generalise "Tank" to mean surya.

I appreciate Marauders are supposed to be death machines, but gunloggi's aren't supposed to be bread vans...even Sica/soma should be a bit better (they're alright if you give them a rail).
Problem is we have paper militia tanks, unused gunloggi's and super death marauders. Give gunloggi's a 1.25 and I wouldn't mind so much.
Tanks need balancing. Internally by CCP in 12vs12 tank war. We can't organise it.

Lurch, balancing these things AFTER release is a really bad idea. We need to stop saying what will be in, what will stop us. CCP give us what they do because then they get the info they require. If they told everyone that this build was to test vehicles, everyone woulda skilled for that. Making the test pretty pointless.

Webifiers are something to bear in mind, so are war points, but in the current system, there's problems somewhere down the line.

Edit: what if webs are glitchy for some reason, so are left for the 2013 update? Unlikely, but you see what I'm getting at.

3 AV guys can take your tank down...... 3 to 4 tanks on the battlefield at 1 time.... 12 people on 1 side... how many people does that leave to secure objectives? Do the math

So many keys, so few people. I wonder why.

Jesus... as a tank driver, I cannot believe I am helping you guys suck less with the swarm launcher!!!

But, once lock is achieved, get behind cover, point the swarm launcher at an angle that will let the missiles "curve" around whatever is between you and the vehicle, and THEN fire...

It's really easy, and once you start doing it the correct way, tanks will hate you!

Something to do with one map to play on.

Poorly conceived ccp.

A huge difference in MAG was that vehicles were essential tactical assets. 8 vs 8 tank warfare on Interdiction was more about hiding your vehicle, and using it to put pressure on objectives. Or drive around with a squad with RPGs and instapop enemy tanks. Oh I'm going to play MAG... Still rocks.