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Super Cargo
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.07 22:59:00 -
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By console gamer, I mean someone who puts in most of their gaming hours on a console but still plays some games on a pc.
Two things I think: 1) The PC is a superior platform
2) PC players should not be able to use a mouse in DUST.
The first is a statement of fact. The second is a statement of opinion, don't get the two mixed up Edited.
A mouse clearly blows a gaming pad out of the water when it comes to accuracy. No amount of nerfing to the mouse controls on a ps3 will make it fair to gamers who use a game pad. Either the controls won't be nerfed enough and pc gamers will still have a huge advantage OR it will be nerfed too much and pc gamers will be unhappy.
No mice for pc gamers. It's been done before, and the pc gamers annihilated console gamers. For the sake of my sorry ass, don't do it.
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Cricix D
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.08.07 23:01:00 -
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How can a PC user play Dust? |
Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2012.08.07 23:18:00 -
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Hi, I'm a PC gamer.
By PC gamer, I mean someone who puts in most of their gaming hours on a PC but still play some games on a Console.
Two things I think: 1) The PC and the Console are at equal footing.
2) I don't see a problem with using a mouse in Dust so long as game pad users are given auto-tracking (never to be confused with auto-aim) to compensate.
The first statement is a statement of fact given how technology and game development has improved over the decades. Before now, PCs were superior to consoles. Now consoles are able to play your movies, your games, browse the internet, and shop online. Practically everything a PC can do. The only difference is how they are upgraded. |
ReGnUm DEl
Doomheim
622
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Posted - 2012.08.07 23:19:00 -
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Super Cargo wrote:By console gamer, I mean someone who puts in most of their gaming hours on a console but still plays some games on a pc.
Two things I think: 1) The PC is a superior platform
2) PC players should not be able to use a mouse in DUST.
The first is a statement of fact. The second is a statement of opinion, don't get the two mixed up retards.
A mouse clearly blows a gaming pad out of the water when it comes to accuracy. No amount of nerfing to the mouse controls on a ps3 will make it fair to gamers who use a game pad. Either the controls won't be nerfed enough and pc gamers will still have a huge advantage OR it will be nerfed too much and pc gamers will be unhappy.
No mice for pc gamers. It's been done before, and the pc gamers annihilated console gamers. For the sake of my sorry ass, don't do it.
Cargo
What about my R.A.T. 7 mouse and G11 KB? If CCP breaks their PROMISE and does not implement KB+M, then my KB+M will keep collecting DUST(Pun intended )
sorry I just remembered CS GO is coming to PC so I will use my KB+M on PS3 |
Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
658
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Posted - 2012.08.07 23:21:00 -
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Cricix D wrote:How can a PC user play Dustqq? Adapt or die and I think a HTFU is in order.
I kid. |
Icy Tiger
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Posted - 2012.08.07 23:28:00 -
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Consoles are for people with friends. You don't see people sitting on a couch and gaming in a PC, do you?
I kid. |
Maken Tosch
263
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Posted - 2012.08.07 23:30:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Consoles are for people with friends. You don't see people sitting on a couch and gaming in a PC, do you?
I kid.
What about flying Drakes on a plane?
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Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
658
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Posted - 2012.08.07 23:30:00 -
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Icy Tiger wrote:Consoles are for people with friends. You don't see people sitting on a couch and gaming in a PC, do you?
I kid. +1 for nerd bashing.
I kid. |
Super Cargo
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
428
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Posted - 2012.08.07 23:32:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Hi, I'm a PC gamer.
By PC gamer, I mean someone who puts in most of their gaming hours on a PC but still play some games on a Console.
Two things I think: 1) The PC and the Console are at equal footing.
2) I don't see a problem with using a mouse in Dust so long as game pad users are given auto-tracking (never to be confused with auto-aim) to compensate.
The first statement is a statement of fact given how technology and game development has improved over the decades. Before now, PCs were superior to consoles. Now consoles are able to play your movies, your games, browse the internet, and shop online. Practically everything a PC can do. The only difference is how they are upgraded.
PC is superior from a technical standpoint is what I was referring to I guess.
I still hold by my point that no amount of attempted balance between a mouse and a gaming pad will actually work. Mark my words. |
Cricix D
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.08.07 23:37:00 -
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Crimson MoonV wrote:Cricix D wrote:How can a PC user play Dustqq? Adapt or die and I think a HTFU is in order. I kid.
/cryface |
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Debacle Nano
Shadow Company HQ
639
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Posted - 2012.08.07 23:39:00 -
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Super Cargo wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Hi, I'm a PC gamer.
By PC gamer, I mean someone who puts in most of their gaming hours on a PC but still play some games on a Console.
Two things I think: 1) The PC and the Console are at equal footing.
2) I don't see a problem with using a mouse in Dust so long as game pad users are given auto-tracking (never to be confused with auto-aim) to compensate.
The first statement is a statement of fact given how technology and game development has improved over the decades. Before now, PCs were superior to consoles. Now consoles are able to play your movies, your games, browse the internet, and shop online. Practically everything a PC can do. The only difference is how they are upgraded. PC is superior from a technical standpoint is what I was referring to I guess. I still hold by my point that no amount of attempted balance between a mouse and a gaming pad will actually work. Mark my words.
Adapt or die. hehehehe |
Mirun Hirute
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
111
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Posted - 2012.08.07 23:41:00 -
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Super Cargo wrote:PC is superior from a technical standpoint is what I was referring to I guess.
I still hold by my point that no amount of attempted balance between a mouse and a gaming pad will actually work. Mark my words. PS Move is console equivalent of mouse at the moment, and somehow that's balanced in other console FPSs (Killzone 3/Resistance 3, etc.). When they smooth out the PS Move controls, will you argue that PS Move controls shouldn't be supported? It offers more precise aiming controls than an analog stick, by far. |
Mo Gallas Gentralde
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
178
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Posted - 2012.08.07 23:42:00 -
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Super Cargo wrote: Two things I think: 1) The PC is a superior platform
2) PC players should not be able to use a mouse in DUST.
The first is a statement of fact. The second is a statement of opinion, don't get the two mixed up retards.
Sounds like someone is outdated. Both are statements of opinion. You should edit that last part out there, cause it seems to boomerang right back at you for some reason... |
The Polish Hammer
Doomheim
373
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Posted - 2012.08.07 23:44:00 -
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I for one welcome our new KB+M using overlords. |
Maken Tosch
263
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Posted - 2012.08.07 23:46:00 -
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Super Cargo wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Hi, I'm a PC gamer.
By PC gamer, I mean someone who puts in most of their gaming hours on a PC but still play some games on a Console.
Two things I think: 1) The PC and the Console are at equal footing.
2) I don't see a problem with using a mouse in Dust so long as game pad users are given auto-tracking (never to be confused with auto-aim) to compensate.
The first statement is a statement of fact given how technology and game development has improved over the decades. Before now, PCs were superior to consoles. Now consoles are able to play your movies, your games, browse the internet, and shop online. Practically everything a PC can do. The only difference is how they are upgraded. PC is superior from a technical standpoint is what I was referring to I guess. I still hold by my point that no amount of attempted balance between a mouse and a gaming pad will actually work. Mark my words.
Then how do you explain PS Move? Isn't that the equivalent of a mouse for a console? Even though it is crap right now in Dust, it will be formidable once the bugs have been ironed out. |
Grimm Tripp
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
36
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Posted - 2012.08.07 23:47:00 -
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I remember the days when people boasted about being better with a console controller and mouse aiming was garbage. Such a nice change of pace. |
Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
658
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Posted - 2012.08.07 23:51:00 -
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Debacle Nano wrote:Super Cargo wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Hi, I'm a PC gamer.
By PC gamer, I mean someone who puts in most of their gaming hours on a PC but still play some games on a Console.
Two things I think: 1) The PC and the Console are at equal footing.
2) I don't see a problem with using a mouse in Dust so long as game pad users are given auto-tracking (never to be confused with auto-aim) to compensate.
The first statement is a statement of fact given how technology and game development has improved over the decades. Before now, PCs were superior to consoles. Now consoles are able to play your movies, your games, browse the internet, and shop online. Practically everything a PC can do. The only difference is how they are upgraded. PC is superior from a technical standpoint is what I was referring to I guess. I still hold by my point that no amount of attempted balance between a mouse and a gaming pad will actually work. Mark my words. Adapt or die. hehehehe That implies that if K/BM is poorly implemented that K/BM will be part of the perfect imbalance equation. It won't because there is no counter for combating superior controls. Whether KBM dominates DS3 or vice versa. Adapt or die does not apply here.
Considering the bulk of players will be using DS3, it would be smart from a business standpoint to cater to the DS3 users more. It will be near impossible to perfectly balance KB/M vs DS3 but if your going to try, your better of taking the safer route.
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PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
781
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Posted - 2012.08.07 23:54:00 -
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until we get to test it, i can't really comment.
But based on historical experience, i agree with you cargo |
BobThe843CakeMan
23
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Posted - 2012.08.08 00:27:00 -
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I don't understand. Why do all the PC gamers say adapt or die. If they don't add Mouse and Keyboard the Eve players say they won't play DUST. Why can't the EVE players adapt to the consoles primary operating device. You might say it's a PC at heart and while I can't argue it isn't But the vast majority of ppl will not use mice and keyboard giving the minority the advantage.
Like you EVE players say. ADAPT OR DIE |
Maken Tosch
263
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Posted - 2012.08.08 00:28:00 -
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BobThe843CakeMan wrote:I don't understand. Why do all the PC gamers say adapt or die. If they don't add Mouse and Keyboard the Eve players say they won't play DUST. Why can't the EVE players adapt to the consoles primary operating device. You might say it's a PC at heart and while I can't argue it isn't But the vast majority of ppl will not use mice and keyboard giving the minority the advantage.
Like you EVE players say. ADAPT OR DIE
You mean "some" eve players. They don't speak for me. |
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BobThe843CakeMan
23
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Posted - 2012.08.08 00:32:00 -
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Sry. I meant the ones tht can't play anything without a mouse or keyboard. Lol. |
Arceus Evoxazon
Hikahotaru
119
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Posted - 2012.08.08 00:38:00 -
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NERF 514Gäó
I kid. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.08 02:57:00 -
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I don't see why people think it's so bad that Dust will have KBM. Have you ever tried plugging a mouse and keyboard into your PS3 in XBM? You know what you can do? You can control the PS3, with a mouse, and a keyboard. It works, perfectly fine. This is not CCP adding KBM to the PS3, it's just them making a function that is readily available on the PS3, available in game as well.
The PS3 is in fact a computer, the only difference between it, and the Windows/Mac PC's people play EVE on, is that it has a different operating system. That's it.
I don't understand why people have this major issue with using the superior controls for FPS games. "Oh no, KBM is better than my dualshock, I'm gonna ***** and moan about how it's not fair to have it included in this game." I have a news-flash for you all - everyone can use KBM! That's right, it isn't limited to only a few players!
If Dust didn't implement KBM as a natural control option, I would've ordered myself an Eagle Eye, and I would be using KBM anyway. Honestly, I'd rather have it available to everyone, than know that the only reason I'm winning is because I bought an Eagle Eye.
Edit: For the record, I've been a console gamer all my life. Started on the N64, then the Dreamcast, Gamecube, Xbox, Xbox 360, and now, my PS3.
The majority of my PC gaming was GunZ: The Duel for a few months(TPS), then WoW, StarCraft, EVE, and League Of Legends. I am by no means a "PC Elitist" as I have been labeled a few times on these forums. |
BobThe843CakeMan
23
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Posted - 2012.08.08 03:05:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:I don't see why people think it's so bad that Dust will have KBM. Have you ever tried plugging a mouse and keyboard into your PS3 in XBM? You know what you can do? You can control the PS3, with a mouse, and a keyboard. It works, perfectly fine. This is not CCP adding KBM to the PS3, it's just them making a function that is readily available on the PS3, available in game as well.
The PS3 is in fact a computer, the only difference between it, and the Windows/Mac PC's people play EVE on, is that it has a different operating system. That's it.
I don't understand why people have this major issue with using the superior controls for FPS games. "Oh no, KBM is better than my dualshock, I'm gonna ***** and moan about how it's not fair to have it included in this game." I have a news-flash for you all - everyone can use KBM! That's right, it isn't limited to only a few players!
If Dust didn't implement KBM as a natural control option, I would've ordered myself an Eagle Eye, and I would be using KBM anyway. Honestly, I'd rather have it available to everyone, than know that the only reason I'm winning is because I bought an Eagle Eye.
I see where your coming from but the fact of the manner is your wanting to play DUST the same as you would on a PC/MAC. This game was designed for a ps3. Not a PC. And they do have a better control scheme. Do you not remember that one game where you could play with PC gamers on a X-Box. Who always won. Guess. The PC gamer due to the fact they had a Mouse and Keyboard. It's not limited to a few players, but people on ps3 don't want to learn how to use a KBM just to compete with the people already used to it.
And yes I used to play with a mouse and keyboard as i used to be a PC gamer. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.08 03:23:00 -
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BobThe843CakeMan wrote:I see where your coming from but the fact of the manner is your wanting to play DUST the same as you would on a PC/MAC. This game was designed for a ps3. Not a PC. And they do have a better control scheme. Do you not remember that one game where you could play with PC gamers on a X-Box. Who always won. Guess. The PC gamer due to the fact they had a Mouse and Keyboard. It's not limited to a few players, but people on ps3 don't want to learn how to use a KBM just to compete with the people already used to it.
And yes I used to play with a mouse and keyboard as i used to be a PC gamer. The fact of the matter is, most players that want to be "Hardcore" and actually involved in the spreadsheets, and politics, and economy of the EVE universe, are probably going to be the ones using KBM. The ones that want to casually play for rankings on the leaderboards, will be the ones using a gamepad. This is a generalization, possibly a stereotype, but it is relatively accurate and there is no arguing that. There will be exceptions to this.
Now, what does that mean? Well, the spreadsheets, and politics, and economy, will largely be in Null-sec, so all the "Hardcore" KBM players will be out there, fighting wars, and negotiating, away from those on the gamepad. Sure there will be some gamepad users in Null-sec, but I would be willing to bet they will be all of the Pilots - tanks, dropships, jets, LAV's - as vehicles are much easier to control with a joystick vs. WASD.
The gamepad users, will be in High-sec where they have already announced that a match-making system will be in place, so high skill (rank?) players will not be matched with low skill (rank?) players. All of the players that are using KBM in the match-making games, will probably be rated much higher than the gamepad users, and as such they will not generally get placed together, and this wont be an issue. Assuming of course that the match-making system works, and isn't absolutely random like in CoD.
Low-sec will probably be a bit of a melting pot.
Each control scheme will find a home in this game, and if CCP has to gimp KBM to help it find it's home, I will be very disappointed - mostly in the community, but partially CCP. |
BobThe843CakeMan
23
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Posted - 2012.08.08 03:25:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:BobThe843CakeMan wrote:I see where your coming from but the fact of the manner is your wanting to play DUST the same as you would on a PC/MAC. This game was designed for a ps3. Not a PC. And they do have a better control scheme. Do you not remember that one game where you could play with PC gamers on a X-Box. Who always won. Guess. The PC gamer due to the fact they had a Mouse and Keyboard. It's not limited to a few players, but people on ps3 don't want to learn how to use a KBM just to compete with the people already used to it.
And yes I used to play with a mouse and keyboard as i used to be a PC gamer. The fact of the matter is, most players that want to be "Hardcore" and actually involved in the spreadsheets, and politics, and economy of the EVE universe, are probably going to be the ones using KBM. The ones that want to casually play for rankings on the leaderboards, will be the ones using a gamepad. This is a generalization, possibly a stereotype, but it is relatively accurate and there is no arguing that. There will be exceptions to this. Now, what does that mean? Well, the spreadsheets, and politics, and economy, will largely be in Null-sec, so all the "Hardcore" KBM players will be out there, fighting wars, and negotiating, away from those on the gamepad. Sure there will be some gamepad users in Null-sec, but I would be willing to bet they will be all of the Pilots - tanks, dropships, jets, LAV's - as vehicles are much easier to control with a joystick vs. WASD. The gamepad users, will be in High-sec where they have already announced that a match-making system will be in place, so high skill (rank?) players will not be matched with low skill (rank?) players. All of the players that are using KBM in the match-making games, will probably be rated much higher than the gamepad users, and as such they will not generally get placed together, and this wont be an issue. Assuming of course that the match-making system works, and isn't absolutely random like in CoD. Low-sec will probably be a bit of a melting pot. Each control scheme will find a home in this game, and if CCP has to gimp KBM to help it find it's home, I will be very disappointed - mostly in the community, but partially CCP.
Can't argue with tht. Lol. Maybe they will make a Casual game server. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.08 03:28:00 -
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BobThe843CakeMan wrote:Can't argue with tht. Lol. Maybe they will make a Casual game server. Oh my god, you actually read and understood that entire post? Faith is restored in this community! You sir, earned yourself a like
I have made this argument/observation/point several times here, most people just say "QQ KBM OP" or "Doesn't matter, go back to PC", or some BS along those lines.
Edit: Hi-Sec might as well be a casual game server, there is no persistence or importance of war involved there. It's really just for "questing" (NPC contracts) and fun. |
BobThe843CakeMan
23
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Posted - 2012.08.08 03:30:00 -
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I try not starting huge wars but wat you wrote makes sense but most ppl don't acually read it and just sound like idiots. Lol |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.08 03:32:00 -
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Yeah, that would be the main problem I have with making points on these forums. |
testguy242
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Posted - 2012.08.08 04:09:00 -
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Mo Gallas Gentralde wrote:Super Cargo wrote: Two things I think: 1) The PC is a superior platform
2) PC players should not be able to use a mouse in DUST.
The first is a statement of fact. The second is a statement of opinion, don't get the two mixed up retards.
Sounds like someone is outdated. Both are statements of opinion. You should edit that last part out there, cause it seems to boomerang right back at you for some reason...
I play almost all of my games on a console these days, but the PC is superior. There is nothing you can do on a console that you can't do on a PC. There are things you can do on a PC that you can't do on a console. That makes it superior. The PC does everything a console does, and does it better and can do more.
Consoles are simpler, cheaper, and have other benefits, but if you compare their capabilities, PCs are superior. |
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