You make good points.
How do you proposed people get better? As you stated, they are scared to get out of a vehicle because they're not good with a gun. So how should they improve?
I myself am bad at FPS but I'm out there constantly improving from 0/20 to 2/5 and beyond. Not all people are willing to take that plunge. I have a 0.35 KDR and don't really care. I'm basically in boot camp. Other's fear such low numbers because KDR matters so much to others.
I'm guessing that's the same reason we see so much spawn camping. People are fearful of their KDR for no reason as it does not matter.

As for other excuses, people should and will find their niche. The one missing link is that people must also accept that apart from an assault suit acting as point to the force, KDR isn't important. It's irrelevant.

Crutches-Some people sit in vehicles because they suck at the fps part of this game. So they hide in tanks and dropships and never cap an objective. They are the people who are to scared to get out and cap a clone reserve unit if given the opportunity. These people are just as bad as the people that run and gun and never cap an objective.

To clarify I know not all vehicular manslaughter players are guilty of this. No need to spam this thread about how you are not this person. Let your in game actions do the talking.

Wheelchairs-Sorry guys, I'm in a dedicated logi player so I suck at killing and I just went 2-30. This is not an legit excuse. Just because you are in a wheelchair doesn't mean you have to suck it up. If you already suck at basketball then being in a wheelchair isn't going to change much.



Whats your point crimson?

If a corp has to many people that need crutches and wheelchairs their W/L ratio will take a hit. Once a W/L ratio and corp battles are added to the leader boards, then you will see what I mean.

I know there are variables as far as teamwork and tactics go. That still does not excuse having these people in your corp. From a business stand point of course.

I don't know about you but i can hold an objective a lot better with a customized militia hav than most people can with a creodron. Are there even any large map fps that doesn't have vehicles?

Sounds like someone tried to cap an objective and got shot by a tank and is now all bitter about it.

This is so random. I'm not mad about anything. I just had some thoughts running through my head so I thought I would share. These are basics concepts for running a successful corp and I'm sorry if you can't discuss them without getting butthurt.

Sounds like someone needs and uses crutches.

Of course I use crutches, they are excellent for beating up people with.

I'll even use the wheelchair to speed down hills and crash it into groups of elite warriors if it means my team wins.

You missed the point.

/sigh

Crutches-Some people sit in vehicles because they suck at the fps part of this game. So they hide in tanks and dropships and never cap an objective. They are the people who are to scared to get out and cap a clone reserve unit if given the opportunity. These people are just as bad as the people that run and gun and never cap an objective.

To clarify I know not all vehicular manslaughter players are guilty of this. No need to spam this thread about how you are not this person. Let your in game actions do the talking.

Wheelchairs-Sorry guys, I'm a dedicated logi player so I suck at killing and I just went 2-30. This is not a legit excuse. Just because you are in a wheelchair doesn't mean you have to suck it up. If you already suck at basketball then being in a wheelchair isn't going to change much.



Whats your point crimson?

If a corp has to many people that need crutches and wheelchairs their W/L ratio will take a hit. Once a W/L ratio and corp battles are added to the leader boards, then you will see what I mean.

I know there are variables as far as teamwork and tactics go. That still does not excuse having these people in your corp. From a business stand point of course.

Why post this at all? People posting about others who suck at FPS or whatever are just being pompous and lacking class. Prideful people who are bad at people skills are drama queens begging for any corp they join to implode.

If you're good at something, then congrats. Welcome to the club. But making up smug names to label others who you feel are inferior based on your criteria is just acting like a douche.

I don't know you, and I'm not calling you anything based off one post, but this sort of thinking is counterproductive and rude.

Edit:

Expanding on this.. are combat medics supposed to be the top gunners too? Are logistics pilots supposed to have medic skills? Are snipers supposed to feed everyone also? It seems you over-value the foot infantry to the point of offending everyone else. I have a postive KDR despite being a console veteran, but if I sucked horribly, yet could fly and fit a dropship like nobody else in the game, would I be a weak link if I die due to a Proto AR guy? Hopefully you get my point.

Sounds like someone tried to cap an objective and got shot by a tank and is now all bitter about it.

However, you can't overlook the fact that the vehicles are there and you would be a fool not to use them. I have never spawned one vehicle in the Beta, but I have stolen and blown up A LOT! I don't see that vehicle drivers use it as a crutch, they are just having more fun with it than running and shooting. And I have more fun blasting those guys into a million pieces with my Swarm or Forge.

Someone had posted something about mixed skill corps and it got me thinking. Sorry if it offends you. I didn't make up any smug names, it was a metaphor. Also not being prideful, just discussing potential recruitment tactics.

This thread was more a fair warning to corp leaders/officers. If you recruit to many players that are handicapped in one way or another it will hurt your W/L ratio.

Its hard to fit/fly a vehicle? You can be bad at it but its not really hard imo. I did it last build and it was EZ mode. Just fly all over the map smashing people. Its not hard to fly around smashing people and I would much rather have a dropship pilot that knows how to kill people outside of their vehicle.

Tell me this, if I have 20 million skill points invested in vehicles, pilot suit, proto large turrets, proto small turrets, max shield & armor skills, etc.. do you think it would be reasonable to do well in the outside? Should I dump 1/2 of that into stuff I rarely ever use to make you happy? Should I spend hours a day practicing for side skills instead of improving my main?

Do you have Anti-vehicle skills maxed out? It's only 1 Million for a Proto SL.

If you want to advise future corp leaders, you may want to advise them to respect different roles, and be glad there are those out there willing to train in different things than you have.

Last time I looked, Pro AR guys were getting manhandled out there by vehicles left and right, and needing other AV guys to come save them.

Basically thats the whole reason these posts keep popping up.

That was an ignorant statement to begin with. It had nothing to do with this thread and he is just trolling. I have nothing against tanks and this isn't a qq thread.

People just come into threads trolling without even being able to comprehend whats being discussed.

lolcarebears

Yes, I do have SL maxed. I adapt to pretty much any situation I need to. If I need jump in a tank/dropship for a second to support the team I do. If I hack a dropship in the middle of the map, I take it to a dropship pilot on my team.

In the long term the corp with the best killers/teamwork/adaptability will be the most dominate on dust. Not the mixed skill clans that respect different roles. What do you think everyone means when they say adapt or die...

Years of reading the EVE forums have made me quite adept at spotting bitter carebears poasting about how OP or unfair or non-sportsmanlike some aspect of a game is.

And questioning the true skills of the source of the unfair bitterness is a hallmark of such posts.


Yes, that's what we call people like you.

You are just a troll. You notice other people can discuss this topic without getting all butthurt. This has nothing to do with sportsmanship or OP and you must be pretty smart if that's what you got from this thread.

You sound like the bitter one to me.

Your logic is laughable and your trolling is a carbon copy of every other fail troll on these forums. Very original.

Oh and btw you have no clue what a carebear is. Someone rides the short bus.

In the MMORPG Eve-Online (www.eve-online.com) a Carebear is a character who stays in Concord (police) controlled space and never ventures into unsecured "0.0" space.

Unlike previous MMORPG related definitions, an Eve carebear doesn't necessarily eschew Player-vs-Player activity - a carebear may actually be a pirate or griefer who specifically stays in Concord controlled space to prey on new players (noobs).

Yes, I do agree I'm very original and even managed to turn the 'handicap' and wheelchair thing against you.

However the claim that my posts do not contain logic of sufficient caliber to debunk your claims is laughable.



... cause the one riding the short bus is the one who knows what a carebear in EVE is.



And it isn't defined by place of residency, rather it is used to refer to anyone who squeals like a pig for slaughter when taken outside of their comfort-zone. We have 0.0 carebears aplenty, you might even be one of them and not know it.

Same goes for your play style in DUST, where the 'gungame' is king and anything that threatens its purity is seen as a threat to be nerfed and ostracised. Even going as far to make lol-threads imploring leaders of coming 'clans' to shun vehicle specialised players on the assumption they don't know one end of a gun from the other.



In the meantime I'll be out there pushing my Sagaris to the limit instead of complaining about how people who don't play exactly like me are handicapped ret... ehm... differently challenged.

Stop trolling and sit down and actually read this thread.

Telling a troll to stop trolling usually doesn't work. For example, see this website:
http://www.sonichu.com/cwcki/Main_Page
Not that I'm defending Mr. Chandler, he's just a good example of how not to fight trolls.