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Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.08.06 11:29:00 - [31] - Quote Yeah just call em out about them being terrible sissy players who don't cap objectives. What corp wants scrubs like that? Rasatu's corp!
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 437	Posted - 2012.08.06 11:36:00 - [32] - Quote Crimson MoonV wrote: Timothy Reaper wrote: Crimson MoonV wrote: Stop trolling and sit down and actually read this thread. Telling a troll to stop trolling usually doesn't work. For example, see this website: http://www.sonichu.com/cwcki/Main_Page Not that I'm defending Mr. Chandler, he's just a good example of how not to fight trolls. I know, I just expect people to actually know whats being discussed before they start trolling. Its proper troll etiquette. Sorry, I thought this thread was about you thinking people who keep using tanks are doing so to hide how bad they are at the gungame and thus not an asset to future corporations cause they don't get skills that are useful to winning. If I had known it wasn't about that then I'd never have made those above posts. Now I feel sufficiently silly and rude. So, what was this thread about then?
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 437	Posted - 2012.08.06 11:38:00 - [33] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: Yeah just call em out about them being terrible sissy players who don't cap objectives. What corp wants scrubs like that? Rasatu's corp! I'm already one of the founding members of the most bitter of bittervet corps to grace DUST. Tony Calif wrote: Actually rastastu you're a joke bro. You don't ditch your Sagaris to take objectives. What's that about pusskins? You turn up on the forums chatting **** like some bad boy player. I don't see anyone backing you up. Pretty clear that 15-20k health is a crutch. I use it too, but I don't NEED. It to play. That's the difference. I run around in an HAV, I don't need others backing me up. And if I were to jump out of my Sagaris I'd end up dead in 3 seconds so that's why I don't want to hack those things. Sadly I'll never be any good at that running and shooting stuff.
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.08.06 11:50:00 - [34] - Quote Its actually easier to skill into a tank than it is for an Assault fit If i went vehicle from the start of this build i prob would have been done SP wise at maybe 15mil instead of 22-24mil SP for the current assault fit i have TBH i expected tanks to be harder to skill into As for tanks are crutches, tough ** ppl who arnt good at FPS have a place in DUST as a tank or dropship pilot or as AV guy atm DUST allows different playstyles If you want everyone on the ground MI vs MI then maybe DUST isnt for you atm because when it comes to FW or Null corps wont give a ** about dropping 50tanks on your foot and will just collect your tears while they run you over
Grit Breather BetaMax. 660	Posted - 2012.08.06 12:03:00 - [35] - Quote As I see it, the solution is simple. Boot camp. If I were to ever run or advise a corp, that's the first thing I'd do. When someone joins they go through a mandatory phase of testing and if they fail, they get sent to training. A corp should have minimum requirements when it comes to FPS skills. As much as I may sound against pure FPS games in other threads, I'm not. I am against people saying an FPS should be pure infantry. That's wrong. But I am behind the notion that no matter what you do in an FPS (driver, pilot, gunner...) you have to be able to hold a rifle and shoot. You should also have at least basic pistol abilities.
Crimson MoonV Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 658	Posted - 2012.08.06 12:04:00 - [36] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: Its actually easier to skill into a tank than it is for an Assault fit If i went vehicle from the start of this build i prob would have been done SP wise at maybe 15mil instead of 22-24mil SP for the current assault fit i have TBH i expected tanks to be harder to skill into As for tanks are crutches, tough ** ppl who arnt good at FPS have a place in DUST as a tank or dropship pilot or as AV guy atm DUST allows different playstyles If you want everyone on the ground MI vs MI then maybe DUST isnt for you atm because when it comes to FW or Null corps wont give a ** about dropping 50tanks on your foot and will just collect your tears while they run you over In null corp half the team will have AV loadouts on and vehicle abuse should be countered if applying perfect imbalance theory. It will actually be a really risky move at that point to spam vehicles. I don't see that as being a problem. A whole clan of people that need crutches will get beat up by a whole corp that doesn't. That doesn't mean that the team that doesn't need them won't use them. It would be stupid not to.
Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.08.06 12:19:00 - [37] - Quote I think its interesting to watch the KD ratios of the Tank drivers that have been called out as wheelchair users. At least some of em have been man / women enuf to get out the tanks and well all the ones I have been watching have almost halfed in KD ratio. Only mention KD ratio cos its a number and its prob better than just saying they suck 4 times more in a suit than in a tank.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.08.06 12:21:00 - [38] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Tony Calif wrote: Yeah just call em out about them being terrible sissy players who don't cap objectives. What corp wants scrubs like that? Rasatu's corp! I'm already one of the founding members of the most bitter of bittervet corps to grace DUST. Tony Calif wrote: Actually rastastu you're a joke bro. You don't ditch your Sagaris to take objectives. What's that about pusskins? You turn up on the forums chatting **** like some bad boy player. I don't see anyone backing you up. Pretty clear that 15-20k health is a crutch. I use it too, but I don't NEED. It to play. That's the difference. I run around in an HAV, I don't need others backing me up. And if I were to jump out of my Sagaris I'd end up dead in 3 seconds so that's why I don't want to hack those things. Sadly I'll never be any good at that running and shooting stuff. There are no Dust corps until next year (CSM notes). Don't really see how you guys will be bitter vets unless you're just bitter. And why didn't you just say "yes it's my crutch" the problem is people actually take you seriously. Woulda saved us all some reading. No problem with you using your crutch. But as advice, up your infantry game, or you'll be stuffed when your tank blows.
Umallon Macross Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 281	Posted - 2012.08.06 12:22:00 - [39] - Quote Usually no one gets in my LAV. I drive around trying to keep eyes on strategic assets, run down targets of opportunity, and distract until backup arrives, and capture unattended objectives or CRU's. Hardly anyone ever gets in to help. Most of the time my team would rather run. If I see an enemy capping something I have to try to run them down, or if they are in a vehicle I try to distract them long enough for my team to back me up. This rarely happens. If I DO get out to cap a point, THEN my team backs me up. Do they help cap and provide cover fire? No. They steal my LAV or dropship, and leave me to die. Same if I get out to repair armor damage. So now most games I just drive around, running people over, and calling out what I see over comms because if I ever get out of my LAV or dropship I'll either die or have it stolen.
PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 781	Posted - 2012.08.06 12:24:00 - [40] - Quote In a game where each death costs money. K/D matters quite a bit.

EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.08.06 12:27:00 - [41] - Quote PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote: In a game where each death costs money. K/D matters quite a bit. Not if your rich like me
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.08.06 12:50:00 - [42] - Quote You're rich because you maintain a consistent good KDR. See the connection? :)
PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 781	Posted - 2012.08.06 12:51:00 - [43] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: You're rich because you maintain a consistent good KDR. See the connection? :) yup. I had 20 million isk and growing with nothing to spend it on.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 437	Posted - 2012.08.06 12:58:00 - [44] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: You're rich because you maintain a consistent good KDR. See the connection? :) I got rich running around in militia gear. See the connection?
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 256	Posted - 2012.08.06 13:20:00 - [45] - Quote Speaking of crutches, doesn't the OP run around in a scout suit with a Creo while hit detection is still off?
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.08.06 13:26:00 - [46] - Quote Vehicles are fine and will only be more balanced once the game goes live. More people, more variances, and the rate at which we acquire skill points and ISK will be drastically reduced. Also I highly doubt we'll see many of those behemoth's terrorize the battlefields for atleast a year if not more. Two years before you see any real solid numbers of them anyway. I'm talking about the behemoth "marauder" class vehicles too. It's also very likely that CCP will remove the "militia" grade vehicles as they have implied that it was just for testing, and to allow people to flesh the game out. Even so they are junk, and offer little to the battlefield beyond distractions, and the occasional snag. Plus you have to remember that not everyone wants to be G.I. or an M.I. grunt like the rest of us. People will not complain this hard when they have triage players on their team. I know people did not complain when pacifist entered combat as medics in real life. Even the military has had pacifist among their ranks. It happens, but you still need people like them. So a few want to fly, or operate a tank. We need them just as much as they need us grunts, or we need the pacifist and healers to patch us up. People will complain just for the sake of crying, and being heard.
Oswald Banecroft II Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 10	Posted - 2012.08.06 13:43:00 - [47] - Quote Crimson MoonV wrote: Crutches-Some people sit in vehicles because they suck at the fps part of this game. So they hide in tanks and dropships and never cap an objective. They are the people who are to scared to get out and cap a clone reserve unit if given the opportunity. These people are just as bad as the people that run and gun and never cap an objective. Sorry, but the tank driver should never get out of the tank to take an objective, that is what the turret gunners are for. I also hope you do not think a dropship pilot should land their ship and hop out to take an objective... The damn things have a billion seats for a reason.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.08.06 13:47:00 - [48] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Tony Calif wrote: You're rich because you maintain a consistent good KDR. See the connection? :) I got rich running around in militia gear. See the connection? I see te connection between you doing nothing and letting your team net you big bucks? Unfair judgement? You won't get out of your HAV, your pointless player. Don't even risk losing your Marauder. This gives me an idea for a thread.
Oswald Banecroft II Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 10	Posted - 2012.08.06 13:48:00 - [49] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: Rasatsu wrote: Tony Calif wrote: You're rich because you maintain a consistent good KDR. See the connection? :) I got rich running around in militia gear. See the connection? I see te connection between you doing nothing and letting your team net you big bucks? Unfair judgement? You won't get out of your HAV, your pointless player. Don't even risk losing your Marauder. This gives me an idea for a thread. The tank driver is helping their team... They are driving a tank and (hopefully) killing the enemy.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 437	Posted - 2012.08.06 13:51:00 - [50] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: Rasatsu wrote: Tony Calif wrote: You're rich because you maintain a consistent good KDR. See the connection? :) I got rich running around in militia gear. See the connection? I see te connection between you doing nothing and letting your team net you big bucks? Unfair judgement? You won't get out of your HAV, your pointless player. Don't even risk losing your Marauder. This gives me an idea for a thread. When running around in militia gear I have positive KDR against even well fitted opponents, so go make those threads of yours to show off how big your e-peen is. Looking forward to trolling you in that amazing thread you're planning on making. I'm sure it'll contain some amazing insights into tactics, like dual-tanking and jumping out of HAV's to hack stuff.

Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.08.06 14:12:00 - [51] - Quote No, simply what's more important. ISK or Kills. Or capping objectives. ISK or objectives mr doesn't get out of ya tank?
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 437	Posted - 2012.08.06 15:50:00 - [52] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: No, simply what's more important. ISK or Kills. Or capping objectives. ISK or objectives mr doesn't get out of ya tank? When I run around in my elite milita fitting and pop positive KDR I'm actually taking the objectives and reversing those turrets while other people are ******* around. But yeah, when I'm in my marauder my goals change... To be about providing covering fire for other people hacking, taking out turrets and clearing out reds around the objective. Cause only morons would jump out of the drivers seat of a tank. Yet don't let that diminish my point, that I've made from the start of this thread, that even if I never manage to kill anyone or hack anything outside of my tank I'd still be an asset worth having for any good corp. There's a cold shower in the future, reserved for all the losers coming from various FPS games, when they encounter the rather... hardcore players of new eden. Basically if winning a fight comes down to skills at the shooty shooty bit you've already failed hard somewhere much higher up in the metagame.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.08.06 16:06:00 - [53] - Quote Quote: Yet don't let that diminish my point, that I've made from the start of this thread, that even if I never manage to kill anyone or hack anything outside of my tank I'd still be an asset worth having for any good corp. And why would you be an asset? No hacks no kills and you drive a marauder? In fact, don't reply. You don't need to dig your hole any deeper.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 437	Posted - 2012.08.06 16:10:00 - [54] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: Quote: Yet don't let that diminish my point, that I've made from the start of this thread, that even if I never manage to kill anyone or hack anything outside of my tank I'd still be an asset worth having for any good corp. And why would you be an asset? No hacks no kills and you drive a marauder? In fact, don't reply. You don't need to dig your hole any deeper. The hole is being dug for me by you guys lol. Call me once its deep enough to fit couple marauders and a dropship, maybe the thread will not feel like discussing with 12 year old kids then.
TEBOW BAGGINS FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET 549	Posted - 2012.08.06 16:15:00 - [55] - Quote you're in for a lot of tears when certain EVE corps find out what makes the masses cry they're going to focus on that so your tears on mic will say hello to youtube much
Crimson MoonV Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 658	Posted - 2012.08.06 16:37:00 - [56] - Quote Abron Garr wrote: Speaking of crutches, doesn't the OP run around in a scout suit with a Creo while hit detection is still off? Ragequit after I kill you 4x more please. I got ran over yesterday by tony and imagine what happened next..... Q drumroll.... He got out, hacked and took the objective. Shocking, I know right. Someone who knows how to play this game without a vehicle. Some of you people are just as bad as the people that start spawn camping while the letter is still red. Yeah, don't even try to cap the objective you tryhard scrub.
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.08.06 16:54:00 - [57] - Quote Actually the "only" vehicle I ever called in was this last weeks gameplay weekend. I called in a LAV and was on my mic acting a fool during the last four minutes of the game after the otherside quit and gave up for the most part. I was racing myself trying to figure out the controls. I'm not really happy about the LAV controls. I have no idea how the APC or rather dropship works in controls, or even the HAV's for that matter, but the LAV sucks control wise. Then again I have zero skill points in vehicle operations. Ha-ha. Anyway Cromson Moon, I hear ya' about some people. Personally I am all about the ground and getting on my mic to help my team with map awarness, and control. Sadly most have their mics off, and usually there are too few of us on mics (most of the time.) I do not have time to spawn camp though. I'm usually running from objective to objective cursing, and yellin' for help or support. I love it when teamwork happens though. It's like petting a unicorn. Edit: Plus one to you, Crimson Moon. Also for everyone else. Do not get me wrong I fully support operators, and pilots. They are and can be most beneficial to the team. I just happen to support proper operators, and pilots though whom do help the team. Not the tower jockey, or jerk in a tank whom will not get out to jack that objective (atleast attempt to.)
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.08.06 16:57:00 - [58] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: You're rich because you maintain a consistent good KDR. See the connection? :) No connection tbh Early in the build i use milita quite a bit so i save up a stupid amount and by the time i improve the gear and skills i have more ISK Now i can run proto and overall make a loss in each game but i have tht much saved from before its a mute point
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 437	Posted - 2012.08.06 16:57:00 - [59] - Quote Crimson MoonV wrote: I got ran over yesterday by tony and imagine what happened next..... Q drumroll.... He got out, hacked and took the objective. And when some scrub dualtanks his ship, we're all impressed by the tank until he dies and we see the killmail.
Crimson MoonV Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 658	Posted - 2012.08.06 17:03:00 - [60] - Quote Rorek IronBlood wrote: Anyway Cromson Moon, I hear ya' about some people. Personally I am all about the ground and getting on my mic to help my team with map awarness, and control. Sadly most have their mics off, and usually there are too few of us on mics (most of the time.) I do not have time to spawn camp though. I'm usually running from objective to objective cursing, and yellin' for help or support. I love it when teamwork happens though. It's like petting a unicorn. Edit: Plus one to you, Crimson Moon. Also for everyone else. Do not get me wrong I fully support operators, and pilots. They are and can be most beneficial to the team. I just happen to support proper operators, and pilots though whom do help the team. Not the tower jockey, or jerk in a tank whom will not get out to jack that objective (atleast attempt to.) You should come to next weekends proto Q^ event. We all had mics on and were calling out positions and joking around. It was a blast. Its lots of fun to play against other people in all proto gear too. Its good isk/SP as long as you don't go 1-10. 400,000-500,000 isk each game.



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