You make good points.
How do you proposed people get better? As you stated, they are scared to get out of a vehicle because they're not good with a gun. So how should they improve?
I myself am bad at FPS but I'm out there constantly improving from 0/20 to 2/5 and beyond. Not all people are willing to take that plunge. I have a 0.35 KDR and don't really care. I'm basically in boot camp. Other's fear such low numbers because KDR matters so much to others.
I'm guessing that's the same reason we see so much spawn camping. People are fearful of their KDR for no reason as it does not matter.

As for other excuses, people should and will find their niche. The one missing link is that people must also accept that apart from an assault suit acting as point to the force, KDR isn't important. It's irrelevant.

I don't know about you but i can hold an objective a lot better with a customized militia hav than most people can with a creodron. Are there even any large map fps that doesn't have vehicles?

Sounds like someone tried to cap an objective and got shot by a tank and is now all bitter about it.

Of course I use crutches, they are excellent for beating up people with.

I'll even use the wheelchair to speed down hills and crash it into groups of elite warriors if it means my team wins.

Why post this at all? People posting about others who suck at FPS or whatever are just being pompous and lacking class. Prideful people who are bad at people skills are drama queens begging for any corp they join to implode.

If you're good at something, then congrats. Welcome to the club. But making up smug names to label others who you feel are inferior based on your criteria is just acting like a douche.

I don't know you, and I'm not calling you anything based off one post, but this sort of thinking is counterproductive and rude.

Edit:

Expanding on this.. are combat medics supposed to be the top gunners too? Are logistics pilots supposed to have medic skills? Are snipers supposed to feed everyone also? It seems you over-value the foot infantry to the point of offending everyone else. I have a postive KDR despite being a console veteran, but if I sucked horribly, yet could fly and fit a dropship like nobody else in the game, would I be a weak link if I die due to a Proto AR guy? Hopefully you get my point.

However, you can't overlook the fact that the vehicles are there and you would be a fool not to use them. I have never spawned one vehicle in the Beta, but I have stolen and blown up A LOT! I don't see that vehicle drivers use it as a crutch, they are just having more fun with it than running and shooting. And I have more fun blasting those guys into a million pieces with my Swarm or Forge.

Tell me this, if I have 20 million skill points invested in vehicles, pilot suit, proto large turrets, proto small turrets, max shield & armor skills, etc.. do you think it would be reasonable to do well in the outside? Should I dump 1/2 of that into stuff I rarely ever use to make you happy? Should I spend hours a day practicing for side skills instead of improving my main?

Do you have Anti-vehicle skills maxed out? It's only 1 Million for a Proto SL.

If you want to advise future corp leaders, you may want to advise them to respect different roles, and be glad there are those out there willing to train in different things than you have.

Last time I looked, Pro AR guys were getting manhandled out there by vehicles left and right, and needing other AV guys to come save them.

Basically thats the whole reason these posts keep popping up.

Years of reading the EVE forums have made me quite adept at spotting bitter carebears poasting about how OP or unfair or non-sportsmanlike some aspect of a game is.

And questioning the true skills of the source of the unfair bitterness is a hallmark of such posts.


Yes, that's what we call people like you.

Yes, I do agree I'm very original and even managed to turn the 'handicap' and wheelchair thing against you.

However the claim that my posts do not contain logic of sufficient caliber to debunk your claims is laughable.



... cause the one riding the short bus is the one who knows what a carebear in EVE is.



And it isn't defined by place of residency, rather it is used to refer to anyone who squeals like a pig for slaughter when taken outside of their comfort-zone. We have 0.0 carebears aplenty, you might even be one of them and not know it.

Same goes for your play style in DUST, where the 'gungame' is king and anything that threatens its purity is seen as a threat to be nerfed and ostracised. Even going as far to make lol-threads imploring leaders of coming 'clans' to shun vehicle specialised players on the assumption they don't know one end of a gun from the other.



In the meantime I'll be out there pushing my Sagaris to the limit instead of complaining about how people who don't play exactly like me are handicapped ret... ehm... differently challenged.

Telling a troll to stop trolling usually doesn't work. For example, see this website:
http://www.sonichu.com/cwcki/Main_Page
Not that I'm defending Mr. Chandler, he's just a good example of how not to fight trolls.

Its actually easier to skill into a tank than it is for an Assault fit

If i went vehicle from the start of this build i prob would have been done SP wise at maybe 15mil instead of 22-24mil SP for the current assault fit i have

TBH i expected tanks to be harder to skill into


As for tanks are crutches, tough **** ppl who arnt good at FPS have a place in DUST as a tank or dropship pilot or as AV guy atm

DUST allows different playstyles

If you want everyone on the ground MI vs MI then maybe DUST isnt for you atm because when it comes to FW or Null corps wont give a **** about dropping 50tanks on your foot and will just collect your tears while they run you over

Speaking of crutches, doesn't the OP run around in a scout suit with a Creo while hit detection is still off?

Anyway Cromson Moon, I hear ya' about some people. Personally I am all about the ground and getting on my mic to help my team with map awarness, and control. Sadly most have their mics off, and usually there are too few of us on mics (most of the time.) I do not have time to spawn camp though. I'm usually running from objective to objective cursing, and yellin' for help or support. I love it when teamwork happens though. It's like petting a unicorn.

Edit:

Plus one to you, Crimson Moon.

Also for everyone else. Do not get me wrong I fully support operators, and pilots. They are and can be most beneficial to the team. I just happen to support proper operators, and pilots though whom do help the team. Not the tower jockey, or jerk in a tank whom will not get out to jack that objective (atleast attempt to.)

is the op saying a corp that has dedicated tank drivers, dropship pilots, logistics and good old grunts that know what they are doing will fail? if so

To the original post your analogy is pretty bad.

Someone who sucks is going to suck if there in a vehicle or not.
I could say a proto fit assault guy is using that as his crutch and the advanced fit guy could be claiming he is not in proto so thats his wheelchair.

picking out tanks and logistics as your soul target is kind of sad. and now

now you will have tank drivers that can just pull off a okay k/d when they are not in the vehicle but once in there a new man and able to just lay waste to everything where you will have the opposite someone with a great gun game can suck in a tank because it requires different stratigic abilities.

so am i right in thinking that you think everybody should be atleast a grunt first then be a tanker or a pilot second? in the way the US marines do it, for example that AV8 pilot is a marine first, pilot second if so you could hav said that instead of calling people ********

What the hell are you talking about? I don't use vehicles. In fact I don't have a single SP in any vehicles, sans the Vehicle operation level you get by default. I play ambush maps almost exclusively just to avoid the hassle of vehicles. The only scrub here is the guy who runs around in a a scout suit and thinks he's good enough to make a thread about his Dust philosophy.

I've also wrecked you dozens of times as well. Ragequit? I got 4 more kills after you killed me and left afterwards after the dropships and vehicles showed up. But if it makes you feel better to think i left because of you, then be my guest.

Sorry, but I can't help but laugh at the BS here. You hate the scout suit yet you continued to sink millions of SP into and continue use it? You make a thread talking about vehicle crutches and logi wheelchairs while you yourself use equipment that is known to need tweaking. I'm certainly not the best player but my KD is decent. You making a thread talking about whose playstyle is more useful to the team is like me or Gaga making a thread about how balanced RE is.

So you seriously don't see the irony of your own thread? I honestly didn't expect to hurt your feelings though. This thread is about as useful as one telling us Dust 514 starts with a "D". I mean, do you honestly think there's going to be an all-tank corp and they're just going to tell dedicated infantry to go pound sand?

Dust Player: "Hey bro, I'm specced in Full proto Assault, Heavy and can use all light weapons. Can I join your corp?"

Elitist Tank Pilot: "Pfffffftttt Sagaris or get the f**k out b*tch."

Who honestly believes there are going to be successful Dropship or tank-only corps?


You probably don't play Eve so I can't really fault you for not understanding how corps and alliances work. Very few, if any, successful corps specialize in only one class or role. The exception to this might be low sec pirate corps who fly mainly frigates or an industry-heavy mining corp. But even then, they know when to whip out a HIC, Tech 3 or Tier 3 BC every now and then when the situation calls for it. Bad corps get eaten by better corps. The most successful corps are going to be the ones who can field a wide variety of players. The ones who are too afraid to hop out of a tank for 10 seconds to cap an objective are less likely to last in a corp anyway, regardless of how well they can pilot said tank.



As far as RE goes, oh yeah I drop those on heavies or groups of 3 like they're candy. It's so much easier to just OHK rather than waste a clip in their head or two breach SG rounds. And thank God they're nerfing them because I was getting lazy. The difference is, I know they're OP, I don't actually try and defend them. Plus it only took like 50k sp to unlock them, not millions of SP like your Scout suit did. Cheap yes, and that's why I don't have any delusions of grandeur after popping them.

I don't need REs to get kills. If I only used RE I'd use a...wait for it...Scout suit :) SMGs and SGs are way more fun.

I don't think I've ever seen you in anything but a Scout suit so I can't say how good you may or may not be without bad hit detection as a crutch. I'm sure you're a great player, after all, no suit or bad mechanics can save a bad player. And you did bust me with that damn creo. But I don't ragequit matches where I get killed. I do leave them if it looks like my group is losing horribly and I end up getting focused because of it or you can't even spawn without a dropship spamming missiles before you even fully load in.

I don't devalue your thread because you're in a scout suit, I just pointed that out for irony and laughs. I devalue it because it hasn't brought anything new to the table that hasn't already been discussed many, many times. How many circle v killer threads are we going to make each week? On the face of it, it doesn't even make any sense. If people are terrible at doing objectives and getting kills then how many matches are they going to win? A few? Any? So tell me, why do loser corps warrant a thread debating the merits of their battle philosophy? This is just blatant, poorly veiled, epeen stroking.