A solution is not being able to deploy vehicles anywhere - especially on top of buildings! Only allow them to deploy at the main base. It's a simple solution and makes it easy for the programmers to implement.

Doing this defeats the purpose of being able to call in your own vehicle. As a dropship pilot myself, I ram dropship campers, or hover directly over tanks, and have my turret gunners blow them up. It's win/win because I get more assist points for blowing up vehicles anyway.

When not playing my pilot character, I spawn in to where I know people are spawn camping, and often manage to take out 1 or 2 guys, except when they're using remote explosives. Or I make a break for some cover.

Also as a dropship pilot I can say there are a lot of people packing swarm launchers around. If you don't like the way vehicles are camping, spawn in with the default heavy dropsuit. It comes with a swarm launcher, and they hurt, even the basic one.

My thoughts on this are, if you know it's going to happen, anticipate it and compensate accordingly. If there's 2 or 3 vehicles camping a spawn point to take over a null cannon, don't respawn there. If your team is backed into a corner by vehicles, spawn in with the default heavy suit, and run for cover as fast as you can. Both default spawn points have accessable cover nearby, and there's no way you're going to convince a large number of people to stop doing something so profitable. It will not happen.

whats the cheapest and most easy way to make a lot of SP in a very SHORT TIME.

spawn camping etc etc , yes CCP spawn camping is an easy SP gain exploit. exploiting game mechanics for an unfair advantage ? !!

yes CCP it is an unfair gain that a spawn camper can have so many kills and low death count.
then get a huge massive SP gain at the end.

If this same combat/sp gain was in eve you would soon put a stop to it, yet you still allow players using the game mechanics to max out on SP gain. it is an unfair gain advantage they have over others that are trying to test the game.

did you never think this SP gain advantage would not happen ? was it even thought about being possible.
when dust goes live will you give us a 100% proof fix this does not happen and there is no way to cheat the SP gain system.

shizzle me, i die like 20 times and kill twice just because your insta podded in the spawn site/ and/or A-B-C .
placing a tank ontop of a tower, yeah right and pigs will fly (does not include pink floyd ).

this stuff needs fixing IN BETA AND TESTED IN BETA, if kittens wanna play extra maps yadda yadda yadda , with hold the beta keys, and put some propper changes in we can see and test. not fancy maps.

I agree being caught on the edge of the map and bombarded from afar is frustrating, as is being shot or blown up at a spawn in. But it shouldn't be considered game breaking or exploitative. In the first instance your team has been driven back to the edge of the map by the oppostion, and they are going to try and keep you there til the mcc docks/explodes. Penalising a team for being successful is fail.
The second point of being camped at spawn in, I don't like it happening to me, but it's still a valid tactic. The first thing i do after hacking an objective is cover the spawn point until the hack is complete, only an idiot would leave the objective clear to be recaptured.
Finally I am a warrior, I live and die in battle either way i get paid. Even if i die a thousand times today, there is always tomorrow. This is the price of immortality. Against that, 20 minutes of pain is nothing, If you manage to die more than 100 times in one fight please post here for the lolz.

i dont wanna spoil the party, but there are very few tank drivers / dropship pilots moaning.
but we have plenty others that think camping mechanics could worked on a lot more.

you have to look from both sides, those that camp and those that do not.
then you have to balance the system to notice when camping is taking place.

there is NO risk V reward for a camper, yeah he dies once, but kills 20-50-70-90-100 people. he gains a huge SP advantage over those that he killed.
I would like to call the Campers out, come to this thread and leave some feedback,
feedback that will say there are problems, it is an easy SP gain and needs to be fixed.
maybe help and advise ccp where it could be tuned out more.

i can see it is fun from a campers view, i have done it myself in eve, but the mechanics means there is a risk.
in dust that risk is a lot less but the gain is expansively huge, i have also been on the other end of camping, the unfortunate one to die lots.

But you have to be honest and face up, that when CCP starts to mess with the camping its going to be hard and deep.
if campers can admit the faults and give good honest feedback, maybe it can be toned back made more fair and even.
would you the players rather have a say and maybe see your idea in game. or the ccp heavy hand of nerfage ?

i leave it for you to decide, and CCP to make the Comment about this SP for ease Problem

I agree being caught on the edge of the map and bombarded from afar is frustrating, as is being shot or blown up at a spawn in. But it shouldn't be considered game breaking or exploitative. In the first instance your team has been driven back to the edge of the map by the oppostion, and they are going to try and keep you there til the mcc docks/explodes. Penalising a team for being successful is fail.
The second point of being camped at spawn in, I don't like it happening to me, but it's still a valid tactic. The first thing i do after hacking an objective is cover the spawn point until the hack is complete, only an idiot would leave the objective clear to be recaptured.
Finally I am a warrior, I live and die in battle either way i get paid. Even if i die a thousand times today, there is always tomorrow. This is the price of immortality. Against that, 20 minutes of pain is nothing, If you manage to die more than 100 times in one fight please post here for the lolz.

whats the cheapest and most easy way to make a lot of SP in a very SHORT TIME.

spawn camping etc etc , yes CCP spawn camping is an easy SP gain exploit. exploiting game mechanics for an unfair advantage ? !!

yes CCP it is an unfair gain that a spawn camper can have so many kills and low death count.
then get a huge massive SP gain at the end.

If this same combat/sp gain was in eve you would soon put a stop to it, yet you still allow players using the game mechanics to max out on SP gain. it is an unfair gain advantage they have over others that are trying to test the game.

did you never think this SP gain advantage would not happen ? was it even thought about being possible.
when dust goes live will you give us a 100% proof fix this does not happen and there is no way to cheat the SP gain system.

shizzle me, i die like 20 times and kill twice just because your insta podded in the spawn site/ and/or A-B-C .
placing a tank ontop of a tower, yeah right and pigs will fly (does not include pink floyd ).

this stuff needs fixing IN BETA AND TESTED IN BETA, if kittens wanna play extra maps yadda yadda yadda , with hold the beta keys, and put some propper changes in we can see and test. not fancy maps.

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"Harden The F#$k Up !" they even tolled me a link you can view them telling you to Harden the F#$k up !

your telling me to htfu LOL, DONE THAT IN 2007 THANK YOU !!

now lets get to the point bad furry, i take it you have a shed load of SP ? how did you gain that, was it using the broken spawn/camping mechanics ?. i know your an ex swarm launcher user, and now spec'ing into sniper skills ( quote " im one of the best snipers in dust) sorry i had to lulz hard ( tower sniper if i am right ?)

do you think the mechanics can be worked on to stop others using this very simple exploit for a big game boost.
the way its going dust will be an end game after a year camping and not the 7yrs CCP had mentioned it would take to gain every skill in dust and max it out. your willing to put otehrs down, lets see you give some honest feedback on this exploit subject. ( you and I know full well it is exploited to the fullest for the SP gain)

yeah i may be pony and trap at shooting people/camping/spawn killing, but the mechanics ARE flawed, people need to own upto it and advise on how to fix it.

Hi all. First post and all that so please be gentle to the noob :)

First off, I'm a sniper. I'm hopeless at shooting while moving, so I've cut out the moving.
I'm building a sniper, rather than going for the scout suit basic variant. (There is a point to that statement. Trust me)

I try not to spawn camp, but one of the objectives for both sides is the control of points A, B & C to protect/destroy the MCC. Whichever side I'm on, I pick a letter and I "guard" it from range; either to keep it on or keep it off (if I'm making sense here).
It's not done as a spawn camp (that is camping the main non-destroyable/stealable one to me) it's done because it's what snipers do; they shoot people from the safety of range. Unfortunately A, B & C are also spawn points. I'm therefore likely to shot at (and maybe even hit) someone who is spawning, rather than trying a hack.

If I die - which is quite frequently - I respawn somewhere I think is safe and head for a different sniping point. That's common sense for me. Whoever killed me is likely to see if I go back there; especially if I've been causing problems. By moving around points that cover A, B & C I get to try different shots etc and increase my chances.

My kill/death ratio is 1.74. To be precise its 501 kills vs 287 deaths. I'm hardly invisible or invulnerable and have probably been crushed or sniped more than any other death.

To be honest, as sniper rifles and dropships exist in the game, there's not a lot that can be done vs spawn camping. The best you can do is restrict certain aspects of it. For example:

1) Restrict which vehicles can be dropped onto which buildings. (Tanks on towers anyone?)
2) Increase the number of fixed spawn points.
3) Don't have the fixed spawn point in the same place each time.

If you redesigned the towers so only dropships could fit on them without toppling off, (big if probably), then it wouldn't stop the likes of me, but it would stop the 30th floor tank attack.

If you increased the number of fixed spawn points then - to be honest - you are only delaying the inevitable. Dedicated campers will log the attacker fixed spawn point when attacking & the defender spawn points while defending. A way around this is to have maybe 10 fixed points, but only allow 2 people to spawn at them every two minutes. (Numbers used purely as examples here). Given 12 man teams it would be virtually impossible to camp all of them and you'd only have a few viable targets every few minutes if you did.

Randomising the fixed point seems a reasonable idea. I'd have two randomly positioned fixed points (yes, I know that doesn't read right) that moved after every second spawn. Keep folks like me guessing, and probably moving around a lot.

In reality, it could be argued that you could enter the field of battle from anywhere. Problem is, you have to arrive there from somewhere and - if your enemy figures out that initial staging point - then they're going to hit it hard with everything they can. For games like Dust514, that's a spawn point.

Sniping - even if not deliberately spawn camping - is always going to be contentious to some and attractive to others. The problem is that it's a valid military tactic and sniper rifles in Dust514 means it can be done. You remember earlier I mentioned that I was building a sniper, rather than using a standard scout? Now it becomes relevant...

I'm close to MY optimum sniper skill/equipment set. Unfortunately, this means that I can not only take out someone wearing a standard heavy suit in three shots using my chosen sniper rifle, but I can hit someone from halfway across the map when all they are to me is a small red icon. (No exaggeration in either case; especially the latter)
This means that I can "camp" the enemy's fixed spawn point from half the map away. There are at least half a dozen places this can be done from without restricting your field of fire too much with regards to the rest of the map. If you don't know where I mean, unlucky; I'm not telling :)

I suppose the point I'm rambling slowly towards is that you'll never stop spawn point camping. The best you can do as the designer is make the spawn points harder to camp or harder to anticipate. The best you can do as a player is pick your spawn point with care and run for cover as soon as you've arrived. Short of camping the campsites, I don't see any other alternative, as it's not going to be taken out of the game I wouldn't have thought.

Anyway, that's quite enough from me.

See you on the battlefield :)

Fleisher.

Spawn camping is a legitimate tactic. It's a very low tactic, but a legitimate one at that.

A solution is not being able to deploy vehicles anywhere - especially on top of buildings! Only allow them to deploy at the main base. It's a simple solution and makes it easy for the programmers to implement.

A little historic lesson from spawn camping. Kronos(greek mythology) spawn camped his kids then one escaped and killed him

Generally the biggest problem with that whole spawn camping thing basically comes down to the fact that there is a singular spawn point in the game. Really if you loose so many points that your pushed back to the spawn zone you should just get a "You bloody lost stop trying"

Actually my favourite is the DROP IN. While players get spawned on ground when using a CRU, the use of Letters, Base Spawns or Drop Uplinks should spawn the player at a height that resembles the spawn time. so if you have a 10 second spawn time you should fall for 10 seconds. But in this time you should be able to steer until you activate your inertia dampener. I imagine this would solve the spawn camping issue much easier and definitely much COOLER than any other solution ^^

No, because then vehicles will get "spawn camped"

Vehicles should just not be able to spawn ON buildings (dropships excluded) or on towers (all).
Add that they can't be summoned on spawn points as well...

For all who are crying over spawn camping; this game is made by CCP. In Eve, camping is a way of life. They aren't considered exploits (lmao). The way to overcome a camp is to simply not spawn there or organize yourselves like Eve players do and spawn there all at the same time and take that camp over. The fat that a camp is whuppin yer asses is due to the fact that your team lacks sufficient skills and/or soft skills to defeat it. I don't see any complaints from the campers. And I know for a fact that 98% of players here have had the advantage of dominating a spawn camp from time to time. It's nice when you are instapoppin the spawns but tears when you get camped. Grab yer nuts and buck up. It happens. The way I see it, you see someone taking unfair advantage, you better learn to do the same thing yourself. This ain't WoW. This is a CCP game that encourages player intuition. If you are cryin about spawn camping here, I seriously advise you to never, ever try to play Eve. You will get your ass handed to you with a quickness. I am being nice here, usually I would encourage you to play Eve so that I could exploit yer noobishness.

i point a valid fact it is a exploit in my eyes as the gain is more than any other player would make.and gives the one camping an unfair advantage

thread had plenty of views, but not many standing up to the plate to admit the mechanics / maps are no good.

the SP gain should be the same as eve a set speed and augmented by implants. none of this bullhorse do this do that camp this that get a big wad of sp for no current risk.

IS CAMPING FOR SP A EXPLOIT OR NOT ? i notice you have not come into this thread, About time CCP showed the face and give their view on this subject of exploit or not !! i also do not mean a GM i mean straight from the horses mouth a Senior Dev