DUST Search - [BUG / EXPLOIT] The SP Gain Exploit.

BAD FURRY wrote:

Mr TamiyaCowboy wrote:

whats the cheapest and most easy way to make a lot of SP in a very SHORT TIME.

spawn camping etc etc , yes CCP spawn camping is an easy SP gain exploit. exploiting game mechanics for an unfair advantage ? !!

yes CCP it is an unfair gain that a spawn camper can have so many kills and low death count.
then get a huge massive SP gain at the end.

If this same combat/sp gain was in eve you would soon put a stop to it, yet you still allow players using the game mechanics to max out on SP gain. it is an unfair gain advantage they have over others that are trying to test the game.

did you never think this SP gain advantage would not happen ? was it even thought about being possible.
when dust goes live will you give us a 100% proof fix this does not happen and there is no way to cheat the SP gain system.

shizzle me, i die like 20 times and kill twice just because your insta podded in the spawn site/ and/or A-B-C .
placing a tank ontop of a tower, yeah right and pigs will fly (does not include pink floyd ).

this stuff needs fixing IN BETA AND TESTED IN BETA, if kittens wanna play extra maps yadda yadda yadda , with hold the beta keys, and put some propper changes in we can see and test. not fancy maps.

hold on all call them up and tell them this for you......hi yes its me ..no no no me Bad ... Bad F-u-r-ry not fury Furry !....yes i like to tell you about ...whats that .. you reed it ? o ok ...and you like me to tell him what now ....o ..o ok ok ...ok i will unnn huh i will ok bye *click* ok well looks like they reed it befor i could tell them but they wanted me to tell you this .
"Harden The F#$k Up !" they even tolled me a link you can view them telling you to Harden the F#$k up !


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Mr TamiyaCowboy Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 121	Posted - 2012.07.30 13:47:00 - [1] - Quote whats the cheapest and most easy way to make a lot of SP in a very SHORT TIME. spawn camping etc etc , yes CCP spawn camping is an easy SP gain exploit. exploiting game mechanics for an unfair advantage ? !! yes CCP it is an unfair gain that a spawn camper can have so many kills and low death count. then get a huge massive SP gain at the end. If this same combat/sp gain was in eve you would soon put a stop to it, yet you still allow players using the game mechanics to max out on SP gain. it is an unfair gain advantage they have over others that are trying to test the game. did you never think this SP gain advantage would not happen ? was it even thought about being possible. when dust goes live will you give us a 100% proof fix this does not happen and there is no way to cheat the SP gain system. shizzle me, i die like 20 times and kill twice just because your insta podded in the spawn site/ and/or A-B-C . placing a tank ontop of a tower, yeah right and pigs will fly (does not include pink floyd ). this stuff needs fixing IN BETA AND TESTED IN BETA, if kittens wanna play extra maps yadda yadda yadda , with hold the beta keys, and put some propper changes in we can see and test. not fancy maps.
Mr TamiyaCowboy Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 121	Posted - 2012.07.30 14:53:00 - [2] - Quote i dont wanna spoil the party, but there are very few tank drivers / dropship pilots moaning. but we have plenty others that think camping mechanics could worked on a lot more. you have to look from both sides, those that camp and those that do not. then you have to balance the system to notice when camping is taking place. there is NO risk V reward for a camper, yeah he dies once, but kills 20-50-70-90-100 people. he gains a huge SP advantage over those that he killed. I would like to call the Campers out, come to this thread and leave some feedback, feedback that will say there are problems, it is an easy SP gain and needs to be fixed. maybe help and advise ccp where it could be tuned out more. i can see it is fun from a campers view, i have done it myself in eve, but the mechanics means there is a risk. in dust that risk is a lot less but the gain is expansively huge, i have also been on the other end of camping, the unfortunate one to die lots. But you have to be honest and face up, that when CCP starts to mess with the camping its going to be hard and deep. if campers can admit the faults and give good honest feedback, maybe it can be toned back made more fair and even. would you the players rather have a say and maybe see your idea in game. or the ccp heavy hand of nerfage ? i leave it for you to decide, and CCP to make the Comment about this SP for ease Problem
Mr TamiyaCowboy Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 121	Posted - 2012.07.30 18:40:00 - [3] - Quote Carue Naghat wrote: DPyro WSG wrote: A solution is not being able to deploy vehicles anywhere - especially on top of buildings! Only allow them to deploy at the main base. It's a simple solution and makes it easy for the programmers to implement. Doing this defeats the purpose of being able to call in your own vehicle. As a dropship pilot myself, I ram dropship campers, or hover directly over tanks, and have my turret gunners blow them up. It's win/win because I get more assist points for blowing up vehicles anyway. When not playing my pilot character, I spawn in to where I know people are spawn camping, and often manage to take out 1 or 2 guys, except when they're using remote explosives. Or I make a break for some cover. Also as a dropship pilot I can say there are a lot of people packing swarm launchers around. If you don't like the way vehicles are camping, spawn in with the default heavy dropsuit. It comes with a swarm launcher, and they hurt, even the basic one. My thoughts on this are, if you know it's going to happen, anticipate it and compensate accordingly. If there's 2 or 3 vehicles camping a spawn point to take over a null cannon, don't respawn there. If your team is backed into a corner by vehicles, spawn in with the default heavy suit, and run for cover as fast as you can. Both default spawn points have accessable cover nearby, and there's no way you're going to convince a large number of people to stop doing something so profitable. It will not happen. well if that is the attitude , i do hope CCP comes down very hard on the campers and likes. as in convince, no own up to the fact the mechanics are broken and need input from both ccp and players. as for run in a heavy suit, you should try that sometime, the only way would be a high skilled nanosuit (aka pure speed based module layouts inc boosters and semi-maxed skills). there is no CSM for dust so this shizzle needs sorting before the eve CSM gets involved, it is a SP gain advantage over others, is KNOWN dust wide, and a blind eye turned to it. well time it is confronted and sorted. mechanics need changing and this is one area that is a major part to the game, camp spamming = huge SP gain over everything else, its an exploit in my eyes and others eye's.
Mr TamiyaCowboy Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 121	Posted - 2012.07.31 11:50:00 - [4] - Quote BAD FURRY wrote: Mr TamiyaCowboy wrote: whats the cheapest and most easy way to make a lot of SP in a very SHORT TIME. spawn camping etc etc , yes CCP spawn camping is an easy SP gain exploit. exploiting game mechanics for an unfair advantage ? !! yes CCP it is an unfair gain that a spawn camper can have so many kills and low death count. then get a huge massive SP gain at the end. If this same combat/sp gain was in eve you would soon put a stop to it, yet you still allow players using the game mechanics to max out on SP gain. it is an unfair gain advantage they have over others that are trying to test the game. did you never think this SP gain advantage would not happen ? was it even thought about being possible. when dust goes live will you give us a 100% proof fix this does not happen and there is no way to cheat the SP gain system. shizzle me, i die like 20 times and kill twice just because your insta podded in the spawn site/ and/or A-B-C . placing a tank ontop of a tower, yeah right and pigs will fly (does not include pink floyd ). this stuff needs fixing IN BETA AND TESTED IN BETA, if kittens wanna play extra maps yadda yadda yadda , with hold the beta keys, and put some propper changes in we can see and test. not fancy maps. hold on all call them up and tell them this for you......hi yes its me ..no no no me Bad ... Bad F-u-r-ry not fury Furry !....yes i like to tell you about ...whats that .. you reed it ? o ok ...and you like me to tell him what now ....o ..o ok ok ...ok i will unnn huh i will ok bye click ok well looks like they reed it befor i could tell them but they wanted me to tell you this . "Harden The F#$k Up !" they even tolled me a link you can view them telling you to Harden the F#$k up ! your telling me to htfu LOL, DONE THAT IN 2007 THANK YOU !! now lets get to the point bad furry, i take it you have a shed load of SP ? how did you gain that, was it using the broken spawn/camping mechanics ?. i know your an ex swarm launcher user, and now spec'ing into sniper skills ( quote " im one of the best snipers in dust) sorry i had to lulz hard ( tower sniper if i am right ?) do you think the mechanics can be worked on to stop others using this very simple exploit for a big game boost. the way its going dust will be an end game after a year camping and not the 7yrs CCP had mentioned it would take to gain every skill in dust and max it out. your willing to put otehrs down, lets see you give some honest feedback on this exploit subject. ( you and I know full well it is exploited to the fullest for the SP gain) yeah i may be pony and trap at shooting people/camping/spawn killing, but the mechanics ARE flawed, people need to own upto it and advise on how to fix it.
Mr TamiyaCowboy Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 121	Posted - 2012.08.01 17:38:00 - [5] - Quote i give up. i point a valid fact it is a exploit in my eyes as the gain is more than any other player would make.and gives the one camping an unfair advantage thread had plenty of views, but not many standing up to the plate to admit the mechanics / maps are no good. enjoy the camp fest, i know if this shizzle carrys on dust will not be a game i play and one i do not interact with via eve online. so in short, the game will end up a campfest SP whoring session, where the objective becomes being killed/or killing as many as possible to Peon up your skill points count. and you know what most of those will not know what the hell the skill does in the first place. nodoubt waste the sp the camped so easy for on total rubbish then groan at a latter date. the SP gain should be the same as eve a set speed and augmented by implants. none of this bullhorse do this do that camp this that get a big wad of sp for no current risk. so the players have said there views, I call fourth CCP and an answer. IS CAMPING FOR SP A EXPLOIT OR NOT ? i notice you have not come into this thread, About time CCP showed the face and give their view on this subject of exploit or not !! i also do not mean a GM i mean straight from the horses mouth a Senior Dev
Mr TamiyaCowboy Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 121	Posted - 2012.08.05 10:58:00 - [6] - Quote Back to the top we go. Noir mercs: i can see the eve KD ratio having a large meaning in the way you carry the work inside new eden. but i also like the way you mention other factors are at play. but lets be fair even you guys would be asking questions if a guy has 7,000+ kills, died 100 times and has 45m sp . i would have said you NOIR guys would steer clear of these kinds of stats, looking for a more balanced stat combat merc. 2 factors in dust ,Kratio and SP do not mix, is well open to CAMPING , and what the FPSer's think is fair tactics. maybe they would rethink their ideas if a group of capitals just perma camped via orbital shizzle. its not a tactic its a broken mechanic FPS'ers, its the reason nearly all FPS games fail, the companys NEVER look at the most exploited mechanic, and dare not even touch the code that deals with it. and i mean fail as in players move else where. they get bored of the same bull , the same players using mechanics exploits. but what i would really like is CCP to step up and tell us what is being done to fix this SP for camping rubbish. Let us see the data graphs for sp earned, the most SP earned, how it was earned. that data will show camping, dropship squishing/camping, jeep running over, tank camping was and is the main SP income.
Mr TamiyaCowboy Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 121	Posted - 2012.08.10 10:00:00 - [7] - Quote Last night i broke the 1,000 mark barrier. yes 1000 DEATHS , not kills but deaths. and thats in 18 days worth of play. with hand on heart i can honestly say, camping is rife, we had tanks camping out spawn spots perma blasting the site and instant death, now when its the ONLY place to spawn its a fricking joke !! , can say with hand on heart the DEATH part of dust is beta tested, it works ( to well ?). even had a dropship try and squish me ( yeah stupid pilots are stupid, i have learnt the terrain lay, so can duck into shallows.) he failed and was soon downed. but still its happening. little info, dropships should use 75% thrust to hover, should handle like your on a knife edge. (used to enjoy flight sims alot) so i have a little insider knowledge on how aircraft react, ok not spaceships, but dust mimics earths gravitiy, and when hovering you use more power. and its a balancing act not something simple requires total concentration. dropsships are a good idea but being exploited for free/cheap kills and SP. Tanks can be fixed fairly easy, they are artillery, bullets/rounds do not travel in a straight line , so make tanks rounds not, to reach a distant target the tank has to use angle v distance, there will be a sweet spot and nothing more. ya'll know this but yet ccp still fails to step up and answer a simple question " how do we fix it?" BTW ccp who has the most deaths ingame ? top ten please. you show top killers so put me atop of the deaths leaderboard :)
Mr TamiyaCowboy Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 121	Posted - 2012.08.18 22:07:00 - [8] - Quote i have just had enough to be honest. log in want to chill have fun test some stuff, all that happens is that STUPID ambush mode, and the jeep drivers squishing you. spawning in a group of reds etc etc, im not moaning, im just saying i will not waste my time on a game if exploits and the likes are not stamped on. its a joke a pointless waste of time. you try and test just to be run over by some * bad word removed kids " teen idiots its like a multiplayer grand theft auto CCP. Heres the FIX, you hit someone in a jeep, tank, dropship you loose 25% of the sp you make. each time you full contact a player on foot you get another 25% off stacked so thats 50%
Mr TamiyaCowboy Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 121	Posted - 2012.08.19 09:40:00 - [9] - Quote Dr Skurlock wrote: For all who are crying over spawn camping; this game is made by CCP. In Eve, camping is a way of life. They aren't considered exploits (lmao). The way to overcome a camp is to simply not spawn there or organize yourselves like Eve players do and spawn there all at the same time and take that camp over. The fat that a camp is whuppin yer asses is due to the fact that your team lacks sufficient skills and/or soft skills to defeat it. I don't see any complaints from the campers. And I know for a fact that 98% of players here have had the advantage of dominating a spawn camp from time to time. It's nice when you are instapoppin the spawns but tears when you get camped. Grab yer nuts and buck up. It happens. The way I see it, you see someone taking unfair advantage, you better learn to do the same thing yourself. This ain't WoW. This is a CCP game that encourages player intuition. If you are cryin about spawn camping here, I seriously advise you to never, ever try to play Eve. You will get your ass handed to you with a quickness. I am being nice here, usually I would encourage you to play Eve so that I could exploit yer noobishness. excuse me !! i played eve for 7yr+ and still play. so get of you high horse and drink your milk !! i have a valid arguement, there has been camping for SP. in otherwords, camping = a higher gain in sp than if you was to play normaly. infact camping in eve is frowned upon, and yes is a valid tactic. no offence but people will just leave if it continues only the campers and idiot tards will be left. did people complain when they had there dreads/capitals bumped of the player owned station . YES they did. did CCP fix it, yes they did, it took a while but bumping became an exploit. gaining a higher rate of SP via camping mechanics should be an exploit, it IS an UNFAIR GAIN. squashing people is an unfair game, but also and again gives a higher SP gain for no fricking skill. ok maybe i do not play FPS much but when camping is the NORM ( this is an FPS gamers view) and admit once camping is engaged, they tend to win hands down. now something tells me the gameplay is flawed in some way. i have had my arze handed to me in eve and have also been on the dealing end of it to. so do not preach to me the eve ways, i know them hands down. i expected dust to be ground breaking, its just the usual FPS with a cross contamination of eve online ( skills). and hence why i play eve more.